One grade away

[Canadafan]

We drafted our guy. His name is Andre the 3pt shooting machine Drummond! Now we're filling in around him. Next step consolidate to form our big 3 with him and Blake.
If we're healthy we can finish anywhere from 3 to 6. I know we can finish above Washington for at least 6th especially after seeing Walls mug shot from Olynpic practice

[ByeByeDre]

It's pretty easy to just spin everything negatively and say we have nothing because you want to crap all over our team.

Kennard has more than "some" value. His value is pretty high considering his potential AND his rookie contract. Cheap talent is at a premium right now in the league, especially when that talent is a first round pick who has shown good potential.

Johnnson has "some" value

Smith is one of the best backup PGs in the league who is an expiring and cheap contract. Again, quality talent on a bargain and he is an expiring, which offers cap flexibility, something that is highly valued around the league now that teams have blown all their capspace on bloated contracts.

Sure, Ellenson sucks, but I would say he has neutral value considering that he is dirt cheap and still has some potential I suppose. Definitely not negative value though.

Bullock is one of the best 3 and D guys in the league and had somewhat of a breakout year last year. Oh and yet again, he is very good quality on a dirt cheap contract. To say his only value comes from his contract and not his play, which includes 44.5% from 3, just shows your trolling negative bias.

Thomas was considered by many to be a steal in the 2nd round and has a good chance of becoming another quality player on a cheap contract, which is why I put him on that list. We don't know yet.

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again shows your trolling negative bias. Everyone knows that first rounders are corner stones of a blockbuster trade and we have all of ours.

Again, all it takes is 1-2 first rounders, good talent on cheap contracts, and good prospects and you can get a very high quality wing player here. We have all of those things. It's just a matter of whether we want to give them up to win now.

I’m convinced. Tom Gores burner account.

Quality post. He just refuted all your arguments (which were pathetic by the way and he proved it) and without anything smart to post you tried to make fun of him. We would be so much better without a few posters around here...

Like the kool aid drinking ones...... Bullock is one of the best 3 and D players in the league? Keep slurping

[ByeByeDre]

It's pretty easy to just spin everything negatively and say we have nothing because you want to crap all over our team.

Kennard has more than "some" value. His value is pretty high considering his potential AND his rookie contract. Cheap talent is at a premium right now in the league, especially when that talent is a first round pick who has shown good potential.

Johnnson has "some" value

Smith is one of the best backup PGs in the league who is an expiring and cheap contract. Again, quality talent on a bargain and he is an expiring, which offers cap flexibility, something that is highly valued around the league now that teams have blown all their capspace on bloated contracts.

Sure, Ellenson sucks, but I would say he has neutral value considering that he is dirt cheap and still has some potential I suppose. Definitely not negative value though.

Bullock is one of the best 3 and D guys in the league and had somewhat of a breakout year last year. Oh and yet again, he is very good quality on a dirt cheap contract. To say his only value comes from his contract and not his play, which includes 44.5% from 3, just shows your trolling negative bias.

Thomas was considered by many to be a steal in the 2nd round and has a good chance of becoming another quality player on a cheap contract, which is why I put him on that list. We don't know yet.

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again shows your trolling negative bias. Everyone knows that first rounders are corner stones of a blockbuster trade and we have all of ours.

Again, all it takes is 1-2 first rounders, good talent on cheap contracts, and good prospects and you can get a very high quality wing player here. We have all of those things. It's just a matter of whether we want to give them up to win now.

I’m convinced. Tom Gores burner account.

Lol he just embarrassed your post and this is what you respond? Pick another team to root for cuz you're not fit to be a die hard fan

By die hard you appear to mean “I overvalue all the Pistons and undervalue everyone else.” Fantasyland doesn’t exist.

[Manocad]

The doom and gloom crowd will scoff at this but you are totally right. People are doom and gloom because we didn't acclimate Griffin and an injured Jackson quickly enough in the last 20 games to make the playoffs so therefore our future is garbage for the next 5 years according to them. The truth is, we have plenty of good contract/quality players and picks to make a trade for a big name wing. Just like last year, when I called Griffin being a trade option for us, there will be a few star players that become disgruntled and want to be traded or there are teams that want to blow it up. When that happens we can take advantage by putting everything into the next handful of years. One example would be to offer a combination of Kennard/Johnson/Smith/Ellenson/Bullock/Thomas/1st rounders for a guy like Butler (or the next star wing player that becomes available). We would then add that player to a core of Griffin/Drummond/Jackson and perhaps Kennard if we can keep him. That would be one heck of a team that would be competing at the top of the East. And yes, I would much rather see that for the next 5 years then us trying to hold onto assets while we barely miss the playoffs with Griffin and accumulate mid round draft picks that will never pan out. We need to put everything into winning now and we can start the rebuild when Griffin is gone if need be.

You’re one hit away from being stoned to beejeezus.


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[Crymson]

Lol he just embarrassed your post and this is what you respond? Pick another team to root for cuz you're not fit to be a die hard fan

He did nothing of the sort.

Quality post. He just refuted all your arguments (which were pathetic by the way and he proved it) and without anything smart to post you tried to make fun of him. We would be so much better without a few posters around here...

He refuted very little. Crude though the man's response may have been, he's largely correct. The hypothetical trade in question is entirely unrealistic. Because I'm really, really bored, I'll explain why.

The truth is, we have plenty of good contract/quality players and picks to make a trade for a big name wing. One example would be to offer a combination of Kennard/Johnson/Smith/Ellenson/Bullock/Thomas/1st rounders for a guy like Butler (or the next star wing player that becomes available).

Everything is wrong with this trade proposal. It benefits neither team.

Detroit would obliterate its depth and almost entirely depopulate its current and future prospect cupboard. The return would likely be a single year of Jimmy Butler, who would either demand a salary the Pistons cannot afford (five years, $190 million) or, more likely, leave town for a team that'll give him an actual shot at winning a championship. In the unlikely event that he should opt to stay with the Pistons, and should the Pistons award him such a contract, they'd be entirely up ****'s creek with a brutal salary cap situation and no ability to field an actual, viable roster.

Minnesota would lose arguably its best player, one the Timberwolves would dearly like to keep and indeed need to keep if they'd like to contend. Minnesota is not a big free-agent destination. The return they'd receive in this trade would almost certainly amount to very little by comparison to the actual and potential loss.

Now, on to your evaluations:

It's pretty easy to just spin everything negatively and say we have nothing because you want to crap all over our team.

Except he's correct. This team is very short on good-value trade pieces.

Kennard has more than "some" value. His value is pretty high considering his potential AND his rookie contract. Cheap talent is at a premium right now in the league, especially when that talent is a first round pick who has shown good potential.

He's got value, but not anywhere near the value necessary to be the key piece in a trade for a superstar. Luke probably projects as a high-end bench scorer or a low-end starter. His low-end athleticism sharply limits his ceiling and will probably always impair his defense.

Johnnson has "some" value

Johnson is a fourth-year player who has yet to develop a viable shot in a league that absolutely requires wings to shoot. He's been a disappointment. He's got potential, but only as a reclamation project. He's furthermore got only a single year left on his deal.

Smith is one of the best backup PGs in the league who is an expiring and cheap contract. Again, quality talent on a bargain and he is an expiring, which offers cap flexibility, something that is highly valued around the league now that teams have blown all their capspace on bloated contracts.

I love Ish, yet I'll note freely that he's absolutely not one of the league's best backups. He's an able backup, but his inability to shoot in a shooter's league severely limits him. It also makes him a non-ideal option to fill in at starter, which is rather an important qualification for any backup.

Expiring contracts do not have inherent value. Smith's cap flexibility is an asset if a team is trading away a longer contract. They'd be receiving him in exchange for their best player. The cap flexibility provided by his expiring contract would have no pertinence to Minnesota in this scenario.

Sure, Ellenson sucks, but I would say he has neutral value considering that he is dirt cheap and still has some potential I suppose. Definitely not negative value though.

He's an outside-chance reclamation project at this stage. He'd be a throw-in.

Bullock is one of the best 3 and D guys in the league and had somewhat of a breakout year last year. Oh and yet again, he is very good quality on a dirt cheap contract.

Bullock was one of the best spot-up three-point shooters in the league last season. He is in no way an elite defender or even an above-average defender, and I have no idea how you garnered an impression to the contrary. He's got three-quarters of a good season behind him; and if he repeats last season's performance, he'll get paid. His expiring contract is a drawback.

Thomas was considered by many to be a steal in the 2nd round and has a good chance of becoming another quality player on a cheap contract, which is why I put him on that list. We don't know yet.

Some value, but not much.

The fact that you downplayed 1st rounders as nothing more than unknown players and then inferred that they aren't that high value again shows your trolling negative bias. Everyone knows that first rounders are corner stones of a blockbuster trade and we have all of ours.

High first-rounders are cornerstones of a blockbuster trade, and only to a team that isn't aiming to compete. Minnesota is aiming to compete. The Wolves will soon have about $60 million annually owed to Wiggins and Towns alone. They aren't looking to wait for future draft picks to develop.

Again, all it takes is 1-2 first rounders, good talent on cheap contracts, and good prospects and you can get a very high quality wing player here. We have all of those things. It's just a matter of whether we want to give them up to win now.

That depends on how you define "good quality." The package you've proposed will not return a star wing. Not a chance.

[Uncle Mxy]

One grade away from what? A championship contender?
This sort of implies we're a "B" team.
We're more in C-/D+ territory.

We ARE one trade away, if the trade consists of trading the entirety of our team for the entirety of the Golden State Warriors.

[DET_Athletics]

What would be a fair trade for Kemba and Batum? I say reggie, Ish, and Leuer and a first rounder. That would be the move.

Kemba/Thomas
Batum/Kennard
Bullock/Johnson
Blake/ellenson
Dre/ Zaza

That's a solid team.

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