The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon

[Baller1234a]

His max is a $ 187,920,000/5 years deal with the last year at 42M

No, that's his 'regular' max. He'll be eligible for the designated veteran max which is a 5 for 219mil deal.

I would like to see him get that.

He won’t because he’s not eligible.

[zimpy27]

You didn’t answer the question

Well they're are probably 3 other teams that he would prefer to play for given what he has said in the past, playing for Knicks, Nets, Clippers.

Even if they were equally likely, it's still 75% likely that he leaves.

Do you have any proof that he prefers any of those teams to the Boston Celtics?

The only truth we heard from irving was when he forced his leave from the Cavs. The reason was to improve his PG skills and to have more credit for the teams success. Boston hasn't really delivered that, they were nearly as good without him (I think he was more valuable in the Cavs) and tatum will be the face of the franchise going forward.

Anything Irving has said about Celtics is equivalent to pre-2017 with the Cavs. The only glimpse of truth we got from him was after leaving Cavs and there is no reason those intentions still remain.

[Dupp]

220- 188 = 32

$6mil a year variance. Not a huge deal in the context of this conversation though.

6 a year is important for contenders and teams over the tax line. His health is the main issue for me though.

[Homerclease]

Well they're are probably 3 other teams that he would prefer to play for given what he has said in the past, playing for Knicks, Nets, Clippers.

Even if they were equally likely, it's still 75% likely that he leaves.

Do you have any proof that he prefers any of those teams to the Boston Celtics?

The only truth we heard from irving was when he forced his leave from the Cavs. The reason was to improve his PG skills and to have more credit for the teams success. Boston hasn't really delivered that, they were nearly as good without him (I think he was more valuable in the Cavs) and tatum will be the face of the franchise going forward.

Anything Irving has said about Celtics is equivalent to pre-2017 with the Cavs. The only glimpse of truth we got from him was after leaving Cavs and there is no reason those intentions still remain.

So no, you don’t. Thanks for playing

[Baller1234a]

220- 188 = 32

$6mil a year variance. Not a huge deal in the context of this conversation though.

It sure is. It’s the difference between a Supermax and a regular deal. 30+M more is no joke.

I don’t see people making a big deal that Butler is going to get a max next year and he’s worse off both in age and medically.

[zimpy27]

Do you have any proof that he prefers any of those teams to the Boston Celtics?

The only truth we heard from irving was when he forced his leave from the Cavs. The reason was to improve his PG skills and to have more credit for the teams success. Boston hasn't really delivered that, they were nearly as good without him (I think he was more valuable in the Cavs) and tatum will be the face of the franchise going forward.

Anything Irving has said about Celtics is equivalent to pre-2017 with the Cavs. The only glimpse of truth we got from him was after leaving Cavs and there is no reason those intentions still remain.

So no, you don’t. Thanks for playing

Do you have any proof he is staying?

[VanWest82]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere. Because of this Celtics won't bother offering it. Kyrie would take it as an insult, and rightfully so. He's a max player even with the injury history.

[Homerclease]

The only truth we heard from irving was when he forced his leave from the Cavs. The reason was to improve his PG skills and to have more credit for the teams success. Boston hasn't really delivered that, they were nearly as good without him (I think he was more valuable in the Cavs) and tatum will be the face of the franchise going forward.

Anything Irving has said about Celtics is equivalent to pre-2017 with the Cavs. The only glimpse of truth we got from him was after leaving Cavs and there is no reason those intentions still remain.

So no, you don’t. Thanks for playing

Do you have any proof he is staying?

He’s said numerous times how much he likes the city, loves his teammates, has been linked to Gordon Hayward in the past, loves playing for Brad Stevens, Boston was on his original trade list per David Griffin, Boston can offer him the most money and the best chance to win. I don’t have proof per say that he’s going to resign, but I don’t see how anyone can make the leap that somehow he is ‘likely’ to walk

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere.

Lol. We have his Bird rights.

[bisme37]

Well they're are probably 3 other teams that he would prefer to play for given what he has said in the past, playing for Knicks, Nets, Clippers.

Even if they were equally likely, it's still 75% likely that he leaves.

Do you have any proof that he prefers any of those teams to the Boston Celtics?

The only truth we heard from irving was when he forced his leave from the Cavs. The reason was to improve his PG skills and to have more credit for the teams success. Boston hasn't really delivered that, they were nearly as good without him (I think he was more valuable in the Cavs) and tatum will be the face of the franchise going forward.

Anything Irving has said about Celtics is equivalent to pre-2017 with the Cavs. The only glimpse of truth we got from him was after leaving Cavs and there is no reason those intentions still remain.

No, you are misinformed. He never said anything about wanting credit for success. That was just something people on sites like this speculated about. He did say he wanted to be more of a point guard rather than playing off the ball while Bron played point, and on the Celtics he is in fact the team's starting point guard and primary ball handler. So that desire has been met in his current location.

[jlokine]

i made a thread talking about the cap future of the celtics during the playoffs. and asked which core would you choose kyrie, hayward, horford. or rozier, brown, tatum. a lot of ppl posted, "why not all of them?" or "too soon to worry about that now".. it's 2 months later and apparently it's good time to bring it up now?

[denmuscles]

If your aiming at the Championship you keep the guy plain and simple. Look at the GSW spendings and Cavs when they won.

Kyrie will not go anywhere unless Danny knows we wont win in next 5 years.

Celtics are fine $$$ wise some of ya’ll act as if its your own account.

[VanWest82]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere.

Lol. We have his Bird rights.

Yes and because of that you can offer him an extra year with higher raises, but you're still subject to the 120% rule on extensions. It makes way more financial sense for Kyrie to wait and re-sign as a free agent.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

The salary in the first year of a veteran extension may be any amount up to 120% of the player's previous salary5, or 120% of the estimated average salary (see question number 31), whichever is greater, but no more than the player's maximum salary in that season (i.e., the maximum salary the player can receive if he were to sign a new contract that year as a free agent -- see question number 23).

[Homerclease]

Do you have any proof that he prefers any of those teams to the Boston Celtics?

The only truth we heard from irving was when he forced his leave from the Cavs. The reason was to improve his PG skills and to have more credit for the teams success. Boston hasn't really delivered that, they were nearly as good without him (I think he was more valuable in the Cavs) and tatum will be the face of the franchise going forward.

Anything Irving has said about Celtics is equivalent to pre-2017 with the Cavs. The only glimpse of truth we got from him was after leaving Cavs and there is no reason those intentions still remain.

No, you are misinformed. He never said anything about wanting credit for success. That was just something people on sites like this speculated about. He did say he wanted to be more of a point guard rather than playing off the ball while Bron played point, and on the Celtics he is in fact the team's starting point guard and primary ball handler. So that desire has been met in his current location.

People just want him to leave because they either hate Boston, are jealous of Boston or both

[-G-]

If I'm Boston, I would operate under the worst case scenario that he will walk in FA. Given Boston's position as the favorite in the East, I'd play out the season and try to win a ring.

I do think he'll leave, he seems like he wants to "control his own destiny."

One thing is for sure, Kyrie is a weird dude.

[Catchall]

This situation is reminiscent of the situation with Isaiah Thomas a couple years ago. Kyrie is injury prone, is a stand-out offensive player and needs a new long-term deal. He probably isn't damaged goods like IT was, but it's risky to max him. Maybe Boston takes that risk if they feel they have a window to contend for the next few years. In either case, they need feedback from Kyrie to see if he's prone to staying or leaving. Media seem to think he wants to go to NY and team up with Jimmy Butler and another player.

In hindsight, it might have been better to punt last season and keep the BK pick that turned out to be Colin Sexton. It's ultimately a question of managing risk.

[Darth Celtic]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere. Because of this Celtics won't bother offering it. Kyrie would take it as an insult, and rightfully so. He's a max player even with the injury history.

you have no idea how any of this works. Please don't post lies if you don't know.

The celtics traded for Kyrie and his bird rights. WE can't give him supermax, but we can offer more than any other team. Full max for 5 years.

It doesn't matter too much, as he'd probably want a 3 + 1 deal anyways to get more future money and flexibility.

No other team in the nba can offer more money or years than the Celtics. none.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere.

Lol. We have his Bird rights.

Yes and because of that you can offer him an extra year with higher raises, but you're still subject to the 120% rule.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

The salary in the first year of a veteran extension may be any amount up to 120% of the player's previous salary5, or 120% of the estimated average salary (see question number 31), whichever is greater, but no more than the player's maximum salary in that season (i.e., the maximum salary the player can receive if he were to sign a new contract that year as a free agent -- see question number 23).

Your example applies if they tried to extend him TODAY, before his current contract runs out. Hence the reason why he is waiting until the summer of 2019, when the Celtics can offer him the max using Bird rights.

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[zimpy27]

So no, you don’t. Thanks for playing

Do you have any proof he is staying?

He’s said numerous times how much he likes the city, loves his teammates, has been linked to Gordon Hayward in the past, loves playing for Brad Stevens, Boston was on his original trade list per David Griffin, Boston can offer him the most money and the best chance to win. I don’t have proof per say that he’s going to resign, but I don’t see how anyone can make the leap that somehow he is ‘likely’ to walk

It's because you missed my point. There is no proof he will stay or if he will go. He's playing the pr game until next offseason.

Given that Kyrie has no allegiance to anyone but himself it's likely he makes best choice for his career and personal stardom.

When you consider it that way, the Celtics become 1 of 4 teams to sign him, meaning it's like a 75% chance he leaves.

[Darth Celtic]

Celtics can't offer him a max extension. They can only offer an extension that starts at 120% of this year's salary, so it's no where close to what Kyrie could get as a FA next year either with the Celtics or elsewhere.

Lol. We have his Bird rights.

Yes and because of that you can offer him an extra year with higher raises, but you're still subject to the 120% rule on extensions. It makes way more financial sense for Kyrie to wait and re-sign as a free agent.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

The salary in the first year of a veteran extension may be any amount up to 120% of the player's previous salary5, or 120% of the estimated average salary (see question number 31), whichever is greater, but no more than the player's maximum salary in that season (i.e., the maximum salary the player can receive if he were to sign a new contract that year as a free agent -- see question number 23).

yes, but we have his bird rights. So it's best he opts out, and signs a new deal. Doesn't mean we can't offer him that max deal, just means we have to offer it the same time as everyone else.