The Celtics have a decision to make on Kyrie soon

[Papi_swav]

Let the season ride out and leave Boston empty handed, let them suffer a little for once.

We have 2 top 3 picks in Tatum and Brown while at the same time finishing in the top 3 records in the conference and still own King/Griz picks with minor protections in future drafts. We aren't suffering.

That's why I said A Little in case you missed that part.

[clyde21]

Disagree on all counts. Not only that, we have Hayward + Tatum + Brown + Kyrie with more picks on the way. Hayward is a much better fit in Boston than George or Butler would’ve been and arguably a better player too.

Kyrie, Hayward and very soon Tatum are legit stars. Brown is right there too and Horford is firmly a top 20 player. Ainge couldn’t have managed his assets any better if you ask me

Hayward is not better than Butler.

In a vacuum, maybe. In Boston I don’t think so. Hayward is younger, a better outside shooter, better off the ball and up until his freak injury, relatively healthy. Butler is older with more nagging injuries that requires the ball more and isn’t a threat from 3. Celtics made their choice

Hayward is not better than Butler in a vacuum, outside a vacuum, inside a Dyson, outside a Dyson, a rumba, any vacuum.

Butler does everything better than Hayward. Literally everything.

[Homerclease]

Hayward is not better than Butler.

In a vacuum, maybe. In Boston I don’t think so. Hayward is younger, a better outside shooter, better off the ball and up until his freak injury, relatively healthy. Butler is older with more nagging injuries that requires the ball more and isn’t a threat from 3. Celtics made their choice

Hayward is not better than Butler in a vacuum, outside a vacuum, inside a Dyson, outside a Dyson, a rumba, any vacuum.

Butler does everything better than Hayward. Literally everything.

Disagree strongly.

[clyde21]

In a vacuum, maybe. In Boston I don’t think so. Hayward is younger, a better outside shooter, better off the ball and up until his freak injury, relatively healthy. Butler is older with more nagging injuries that requires the ball more and isn’t a threat from 3. Celtics made their choice

Hayward is not better than Butler in a vacuum, outside a vacuum, inside a Dyson, outside a Dyson, a rumba, any vacuum.

Butler does everything better than Hayward. Literally everything.

Disagree strongly.

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

[bb22]

Tough to come across a legit, YOUNG, already superstar scoring PG like Kyrie, so ideally you would keep him. But I see a different mentality in Kyrie that's not 100% committed to championship basketball. His first movie, his flat earth comments, not working on his body nearly as much as a superstar should, the way he handled his move from Cle after hearing his name in trade rumors... all question marks imo.
No doubt the kid loves playing ball, is super competitive, and loves the big stage... but he won a premature championship thanks to the return of Lebron, and now seems to be on a mission to elevate his brand show the world he can be the man. Boston may be too team orientated for him. Tough situation for the Celtics. You need to go for that championship run this year, and you can't do it without Kyrie, but his departure to NY seems as likely as Lebron's move to LA was.

[Homerclease]

Hayward is not better than Butler in a vacuum, outside a vacuum, inside a Dyson, outside a Dyson, a rumba, any vacuum.

Butler does everything better than Hayward. Literally everything.

Disagree strongly.

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

[bisme37]

Hayward is not better than Butler in a vacuum, outside a vacuum, inside a Dyson, outside a Dyson, a rumba, any vacuum.

Butler does everything better than Hayward. Literally everything.

Disagree strongly.

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

Gordon is a better shooter than Jimmy. And under Stevens I think we'll see he's a better passer/playmaker as well.

[Theocy]

Disagree strongly.

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

I think that is pretty much it. Also Gordon is younger ? And less injury prone - even though yeah elephant in the room. Both are excellent.

[bisme37]

He is a lock to be gone so they should trade him. they arent a championship team with him, GSW is too good.

he doesnt want to be there and winning isnt his top priority. id assume knicks or clippers next year

What is this Clippers nonsense now? If there's one thing I am certain Kyrie won't do, it's follow LeBron to LA.

[Homerclease]

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

I think that is pretty much it. Also Gordon is younger ? And less injury prone - even though yeah elephant in the room. Both are excellent.

I believe I stated all those things in the paragraph he quoted too. Strange that I have to elaborate again

[clyde21]

Disagree strongly.

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

Hayward barely shot better from 3 the last four years and he takes less 3s off the dribble. I'm not sure he's better shooter at all, actually. It's more of a push than anything else.

On the other hand, Butler's a better overall scorer, better defender, better handler, playmaker and a more versatile player. The idea that he's a better fit under Stevenson doesn't really hold a lot of water.

[Fencer reregistered]

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

I think that is pretty much it. Also Gordon is younger ? And less injury prone - even though yeah elephant in the room. Both are excellent.

Hayward is also better at getting along with teammates.

And at video games.

[Homerclease]

Okay, you're more than welcome to elaborate on what you think Hayward does better than Butler.

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

Hayward barely shot better from 3 the last four years and he takes less 3s off the dribble. I'm not sure he's better shooter at all, actually. It's more of a push than anything else.

On the other hand, Butler's a better overall scorer, better defender, better handler, playmaker and a more versatile player. The idea that he's a better fit under Stevenson doesn't really hold a lot of water.

Disagree. Hayward is a much better outside shooter than Butler who also doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. Scored 22 ppg on absurdly low volume. Also, who is Stevenson?

[Theocy]

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

I think that is pretty much it. Also Gordon is younger ? And less injury prone - even though yeah elephant in the room. Both are excellent.

Hayward's also better at getting along with teammates.

And at video games.

And his wife is a 9.5 . No info for butler's lady.

[Homerclease]

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

I think that is pretty much it. Also Gordon is younger ? And less injury prone - even though yeah elephant in the room. Both are excellent.

Hayward is also better at getting along with teammates.

And at video games.

Another great point. Butler has been a locker room issue in back to back years on two different teams. Hayward is just the better fit for Boston even if you want to consider Butler the better overall player

[clyde21]

Shoot 3’s and play without the ball in his hands

Hayward barely shot better from 3 the last four years and he takes less 3s off the dribble. I'm not sure he's better shooter at all, actually. It's more of a push than anything else.

On the other hand, Butler's a better overall scorer, better defender, better handler, playmaker and a more versatile player. The idea that he's a better fit under Stevenson doesn't really hold a lot of water.

Disagree. Hayward is a much better outside shooter than Butler who also doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. Scored 22 ppg on absurdly low volume. Also, who is Stevenson?

Stevens*, but you knew that.

And why does Butler need the ball in his hands to contribute?

[Homerclease]

Hayward barely shot better from 3 the last four years and he takes less 3s off the dribble. I'm not sure he's better shooter at all, actually. It's more of a push than anything else.

On the other hand, Butler's a better overall scorer, better defender, better handler, playmaker and a more versatile player. The idea that he's a better fit under Stevenson doesn't really hold a lot of water.

Disagree. Hayward is a much better outside shooter than Butler who also doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. Scored 22 ppg on absurdly low volume. Also, who is Stevenson?

Stevens*, but you knew that.

And why does Butler need the ball in his hands to contribute?

He doesn’t. I just said Hayward is better off the ball. Not that Butler

[Tai]

He is a lock to be gone so they should trade him. they arent a championship team with him, GSW is too good.

he doesnt want to be there and winning isnt his top priority. id assume knicks or clippers next year

What is this Clippers nonsense now? It there's one thing I am certain Kyrie won't do, it's follow LeBron to LA.

I'm still in disbelief that zimpy tried to claim Kyrie has an equal chance of going to the Celtics or the Clippers, or that anyone would. So Kyrie would rather go to LA and a) not be the biggest star in LA and b) not even be on the biggest TEAM in LA over being in all probability the star in Boston or NY? Again, I don't think he's going to NY (and I slowly think the media is realizing this too, like Marc Stein), but at least Kyrie would likely be the biggest name there. But the CLIPPERS? And i don't think it's a coincidence that this is being peddled forth by guys who wanna claim Kyrie is a questionable fit there (from "he doesn't add anything to Boston" to "he doesn't want to be there").

[clyde21]

Disagree. Hayward is a much better outside shooter than Butler who also doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective. Scored 22 ppg on absurdly low volume. Also, who is Stevenson?

Stevens*, but you knew that.

And why does Butler need the ball in his hands to contribute?

He doesn’t. I just said Hayward is better off the ball. Not that Butler

That's not really based on anything, though. Butler's had no problem playing with on-ball heavy guards.

[Homerclease]

Stevens*, but you knew that.

And why does Butler need the ball in his hands to contribute?

He doesn’t. I just said Hayward is better off the ball. Not that Butler

That's not really based on anything, though. Butler's had no problem playing with on-ball heavy guards.

I’d beg to differ as he’s had problems with his teammates for consecutive years now.