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Political Roundtable Part XXI

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1401 » by popper » Sat Aug 4, 2018 2:09 am

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popper wrote:Enjoyed this post. I don’t agree with everything but well thought out and written without the usual personal attacks that accompany dissent against the prevailing “wisdom”.


Popper, you're legitimately one of the most insulated and delusional people I've ever crossed paths with. Like, you need to broaden your horizons, man.

And it's hilarious how all these olds think millennials needs a bunch of sanctimonious lectures about how to be successful by virtue of simply being a milennial - you know not ALL millennials are struggling, right? It's completely unfathomable to you guys that someone can understand the plight of others without personally struggling themselves.


You misunderstand my posts. I think millennials are doing great given the difficult circumstances they operate in. That doesn’t mean they can’t use some helpful advice now and then from their elders. When I was early twenties I was snorting coke, blowing weed and sucking down as many cocktails as possible. I had kids so I had to clean up my act and drill down on responsibility to support a family. I certainly didn’t do it alone (my wife worked her rear end off as well). Anyway, if we are open minded we can all learn from each other.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1402 » by Pointgod » Sat Aug 4, 2018 2:40 am

Wizardspride wrote:I agree with Senator Harris in this regard.
Read on Twitter
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NEW ORLEANS — Sen. Kamala Harris accused critics of “identity politics” of weaponizing the term to diminish issues of race, gender and sexual orientation, pressing Democrats on Friday to address those issues head on.

“I have a problem, guys, with that phrase, ‘identity politics,’” Harris told the progressive gathering Netroots Nation, wading into a messaging debate roiling Democrats ahead of the midterm elections. “Because let’s be clear, when people say that, it’s a pejorative. That phrase is used to divide, and it is used to distract. Its purpose is to minimize and marginalize issues that impact all of us. It is used to try and shut us up.”

Harris, one of the Democratic Party’s top 2020 presidential prospects, said Democrats “won’t be shut up, and we won’t be silenced.”

“These issues that they’re trying to diminish and demean,” she added, “are the very issues that will define our identity as Americans.”

Harris’ remarks follow criticism — including from some within the Democratic Party — that a full-throated embrace of racial, ethnic and gender issues could distract from a broader Democratic platform.


Anyone that bemoans identity politics can **** right off.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1403 » by Zonkerbl » Sat Aug 4, 2018 6:38 am

Trump can take his ignorant ass racist uncle basketball opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1404 » by Zonkerbl » Sat Aug 4, 2018 6:46 am

Also I wish the idiot bloviators on the intertubes stopped pointing the finger at millennials and immigrants and spent more time helping uneducated white people kick their crack and heroin addictions. Oh but no, it's in the GOP's interest to keep them angry and ignorant isn't it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1405 » by Wizardspride » Sat Aug 4, 2018 12:39 pm

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President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1406 » by Pointgod » Sat Aug 4, 2018 1:46 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Also I wish the idiot bloviators on the intertubes stopped pointing the finger at millennials and immigrants and spent more time helping uneducated white people kick their crack and heroin addictions. Oh but no, it's in the GOP's interest to keep them angry and ignorant isn't it.


If America ever bothered to truly address it's racism 75% of the problems in the country could be solved.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1407 » by dckingsfan » Sat Aug 4, 2018 3:02 pm

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Zonkerbl wrote:Also I wish the idiot bloviators on the intertubes stopped pointing the finger at millennials and immigrants and spent more time helping uneducated white people kick their crack and heroin addictions. Oh but no, it's in the GOP's interest to keep them angry and ignorant isn't it.

If America ever bothered to truly address it's racism 75% of the problems in the country could be solved.

Military industrial complex. Debt load. Healthcare. When we say racism is 75% (I have heard 99%), I tune out.

This is where I worry that the identity political wing of the Ds will fail us again. They will address some of those problems and claim victory. And then we will have the yo-yo back and they will be as confused as they were in this last election.

Sorry, I get that your post is in support of Zonk and we should reasonably take on those issues. But I am watching the fight between the two wings of the Ds and their needs to be unity to take on all of the issues and not just identify with the identity side. It is simple to tell everyone that identifies with other issues to take a hike.

The next time the Ds are in power - they actually have to govern or we just end up with another cycle.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1408 » by montestewart » Sat Aug 4, 2018 3:14 pm

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JWizmentality wrote:Stick to your old routine of spaztic invalid. Nobody's buying the new "I can not speaka any engrish. I not bad person" fresh off the boat bit.


Right? I was just about to post that I don't buy it at all. When s/he first came in here everythingzzz wazzz like dizzzz

There are a few apps out there that take the work out of it: Jost of the Bot, The Golden Lexi-Con, Me Come America

Zonkerbl wrote:Learning what "plagiarism" means would also be a bonus.

Well done gramps!

Technology seems to have so disconnected some people from consciousness of process that they can't see how freely those processes are available to anyone. When I caught people plagiarizing, some seemed astonished that they were caught, as if it would have taken a lot of work to drop their stolen sentences into Google."Nope, no more work than you did plagiarizing this paper. F."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1409 » by stilldropin20 » Sat Aug 4, 2018 4:23 pm

oh wow...new low...making fun of posters for not properly quoting a source? I dont think there is any evidence at all that ghost of chenier was attempting to mis lead anyone and present it as his own piece. He posts in broken English and that piece was well written. Moments later in the thread he admitted as such.

Sounds like nothing more than attempts to bait conservatives into bickering contests where liberal are allowed to say anything and conservatives get banned, suspended, warned etc when they respond in kind.

and it buries the lead which is the piece itself. Its a great awareness piece from one generation to the next.

And here's the truth. Its my generation. gen x(not the boomers) that created the millennial. And here's where we screwed up. We divorced often and we built and bought and lived in bigger homes. We finished our basements and had less children. We moved out to the burbs and had large yards.

So millennials grew up with too much personal space and too much stuff. like rich kids do. Ever had a rich kid as a friend? The kid that had everything and was given everything as a child so they feel entitled to your stuff too and they dont like to share? yeah, me too.

gen x like me gave their children too much space and too much stuff.

Imagine for a second in 1945, a 2 parent 3 children household living in 900sf 2br 1 bath apt. or in a 800sf cape cod or Georgian.

now imagine a 2 parent family with mom and dad living in different homes, 3000sf 3-4 br, 3-4 bath, finished basement and large yard. mom and dad are so busy working to pay for it all and dating to find a new mate that the poor little millennial spends so much time alone that the millennial thinks he or she is adulting at 15 years old. and this poor little millennial has never shared a 10'x10' bedroom with a tiny closet. shared clothes. shared limited food. shared milk. and learned to get along well with others. so the millennial just cant fathom the idea of limited resources and sharing them. And paying for them???? haha...yeah, the millenial just struggles with that too.

And we've ended up with a younger generation that wants it all. wants it now. and is not equipped yet to work for it.

But there is good news on the horizon: great news!!!

1. Boomers are dying and leaving all of the wealth(they hoarded<--those meanies) to the Gen Xers and to the millennials. And the Gen Xers will be dying in 20ish years and the millennials will have it all.

2. The Gen Xers all bought large enough homes that the millennials can live in mommy's fully finished 1000sf basement. there might even be a sundeck and pool in the back yard. The Gen Xers and Boomers that are still alive got nothing better to do so they are even happy to raise the millennials children for them!! Maybe they'll get it right this time around?

No but seriously, millennials. Just wait it out. You're going to get it all anyway. :-) Now if you were a poor kid like me? Ya best git ta work!! :nod:
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1410 » by dckingsfan » Sat Aug 4, 2018 4:41 pm

montestewart wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:Stick to your old routine of spaztic invalid. Nobody's buying the new "I can not speaka any engrish. I not bad person" fresh off the boat bit.


Right? I was just about to post that I don't buy it at all. When s/he first came in here everythingzzz wazzz like dizzzz

There are a few apps out there that take the work out of it: Jost of the Bot, The Golden Lexi-Con, Me Come America

Zonkerbl wrote:Learning what "plagiarism" means would also be a bonus.

Well done gramps!

Technology seems to have so disconnected some people from consciousness of process that they can't see how freely those processes are available to anyone. When I caught people plagiarizing, some seemed astonished that they were caught, as if it would have taken a lot of work to drop their stolen sentences into Google."Nope, no more work than you did plagiarizing this paper. F."

It amazes me how sheeit ya' nailed dis It should get some long ridiculous false narrative out uh our homey :D

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1411 » by Pointgod » Sat Aug 4, 2018 5:51 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Also I wish the idiot bloviators on the intertubes stopped pointing the finger at millennials and immigrants and spent more time helping uneducated white people kick their crack and heroin addictions. Oh but no, it's in the GOP's interest to keep them angry and ignorant isn't it.

If America ever bothered to truly address it's racism 75% of the problems in the country could be solved.

Military industrial complex. Debt load. Healthcare. When we say racism is 75% (I have heard 99%), I tune out.

This is where I worry that the identity political wing of the Ds will fail us again. They will address some of those problems and claim victory. And then we will have the yo-yo back and they will be as confused as they were in this last election.

Sorry, I get that your post is in support of Zonk and we should reasonably take on those issues. But I am watching the fight between the two wings of the Ds and their needs to be unity to take on all of the issues and not just identify with the identity side. It is simple to tell everyone that identifies with other issues to take a hike.

The next time the Ds are in power - they actually have to govern or we just end up with another cycle.


Republicans routinely vote against their own interests because they choose to elect politicians that stoke racial fears and fears of immigrants. These politicians resort to dog whistle racism because they know that they don't actually have anything substantial to offer their white working class base. If the base said no we're not going to go along with dog whistle racism then not only would you get better candidates you'd get policy positions and elected officials that will actually work together to solve some of those issues you've listed. The wings of the Democratic party are having the good conversations on policies, there's zero chance a bigoted Democratic candidate would gain any traction in the party. Meanwhile the Republican party is content with the freedom caucus goobers and value brand versions of Trump(not to mention actually **** Nazis) represent their party.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1412 » by montestewart » Sat Aug 4, 2018 6:04 pm

gtn130 wrote:
popper wrote:Enjoyed this post. I don’t agree with everything but well thought out and written without the usual personal attacks that accompany dissent against the prevailing “wisdom”.


Popper, you're legitimately one of the most insulated and delusional people I've ever crossed paths with. Like, you need to broaden your horizons, man.

And it's hilarious how all these olds think millennials needs a bunch of sanctimonious lectures about how to be successful by virtue of simply being a milennial - you know not ALL millennials are struggling, right? It's completely unfathomable to you guys that someone can understand the plight of others without personally struggling themselves.

I rarely agree with popper about much of anything, but where some people I disagree with don't even pretend to do anything but plug their ears when a contrary opinion is offered, I've seen popper attempt to try and hear contrary views since he got here. Maybe some of us are too set in our ways to recognize alternatives, but for me, popper's civility is welcome.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1413 » by dckingsfan » Sat Aug 4, 2018 6:32 pm

Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:If America ever bothered to truly address it's racism 75% of the problems in the country could be solved.

Military industrial complex. Debt load. Healthcare. When we say racism is 75% (I have heard 99%), I tune out.

This is where I worry that the identity political wing of the Ds will fail us again. They will address some of those problems and claim victory. And then we will have the yo-yo back and they will be as confused as they were in this last election.

Sorry, I get that your post is in support of Zonk and we should reasonably take on those issues. But I am watching the fight between the two wings of the Ds and their needs to be unity to take on all of the issues and not just identify with the identity side. It is simple to tell everyone that identifies with other issues to take a hike.

The next time the Ds are in power - they actually have to govern or we just end up with another cycle.

Republicans routinely vote against their own interests because they choose to elect politicians that stoke racial fears and fears of immigrants. These politicians resort to dog whistle racism because they know that they don't actually have anything substantial to offer their white working class base. If the base said no we're not going to go along with dog whistle racism then not only would you get better candidates you'd get policy positions and elected officials that will actually work together to solve some of those issues you've listed. The wings of the Democratic party are having the good conversations on policies, there's zero chance a bigoted Democratic candidate would gain any traction in the party. Meanwhile the Republican party is content with the freedom caucus goobers and value brand versions of Trump(not to mention actually **** Nazis) represent their party.

This isn't about Republicans voting against their own interests it is about Democrats voting against their own interests when identity politics trump policy politics.

IMO, you are missing the point. If the identity politics overwhelm the policy politics you GET Trump. If you say it is ALL about identity politics (okay, 75%) you get what you have now - cycles of both parties screwing up.

I take issue with you that your lens sees 75% of the problems in the US is about identity politics.

I do get where you are coming from on Rs and Trump - really. But, this has to be about identity politics AND sustainable policy.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1414 » by stilldropin20 » Sat Aug 4, 2018 6:37 pm

Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:If America ever bothered to truly address it's racism 75% of the problems in the country could be solved.

Military industrial complex. Debt load. Healthcare. When we say racism is 75% (I have heard 99%), I tune out.

This is where I worry that the identity political wing of the Ds will fail us again. They will address some of those problems and claim victory. And then we will have the yo-yo back and they will be as confused as they were in this last election.

Sorry, I get that your post is in support of Zonk and we should reasonably take on those issues. But I am watching the fight between the two wings of the Ds and their needs to be unity to take on all of the issues and not just identify with the identity side. It is simple to tell everyone that identifies with other issues to take a hike.

The next time the Ds are in power - they actually have to govern or we just end up with another cycle.


Republicans routinely vote against their own interests because they choose to elect politicians that stoke racial fears and fears of immigrants. These politicians resort to dog whistle racism because they know that they don't actually have anything substantial to offer their white working class base. If the base said no we're not going to go along with dog whistle racism then not only would you get better candidates you'd get policy positions and elected officials that will actually work together to solve some of those issues you've listed. The wings of the Democratic party are having the good conversations on policies, there's zero chance a bigoted Democratic candidate would gain any traction in the party. Meanwhile the Republican party is content with the freedom caucus goobers and value brand versions of Trump(not to mention actually **** Nazis) represent their party.


thats a lie and an excuse for losing elections across the entire US political maps. despite a few blue dots around all major cities. the entire map is red. house is red. senate is red. most governors are red.

You ar elying to yourself or dont know better or the difference between the two. and its a losing lie you and your political leaders tell each other to feel better about your political loses across the entire USA.

Your party has no winning message. and whatever free stuff you want to give away, you dont have a sustainable way to pay for it.

The working class folks see through it all. The working class understands the basic premise and backbone of capitalism and democracy: "an honest days work for an honest days pay... and saving for a rainy day"...and working class folks also invest in our markets in order to have something later in life to pass down to the kids."

Thats the american way. Thats the founding principle this country was founded on. There always has been cheaters and hoarders. and there always will be. <--and they are the enemy. not working class folks who believe in basic republican values of an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. R's understand that the work part is always there. the hoarders always provide the work...but do they provide the honest day's pay? No. Often they do not. and basic R' policy is meant to protect those wages. and you do that with thriving economies and less saturation of labor into any of our (jobs) markets.

1. Create an economy where there is an abundance of jobs!!

2. make employers compete for our wages!! and wages go up!!

3. instead of employees competing for work!!! where wages go down.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1415 » by montestewart » Sat Aug 4, 2018 7:56 pm

Wow, GhostofChenier gave me an And1! If I get one from gtn too, I might have to run for public office. Or launch a line of personal care products.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

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Post#1417 » by dckingsfan » Sat Aug 4, 2018 8:57 pm

@Pointgod - another way to look at it is from the vantage point of this administration and associated legislature. Have they helped in getting our financial house in order? - no. Have they helped in terms of getting the cost of healthcare? - no. Have they forwarded any meaningful legislation to move the country forward in general? - no.

One could point toward the multi-front trade wars as trying to accomplish something. Or trying to push NATO toward spending more on defense. If you are a social conservative - you could point at the courts.

But in terms of real legislative progress? - no. So, do they deserve more time as the majority? I would argue no. And I think that is how many viewed the Obama Administration (but reverse trying to not get along with allies).

So, real legislative achievements matter - IMO.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1418 » by gtn130 » Sat Aug 4, 2018 9:35 pm

montestewart wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
popper wrote:Enjoyed this post. I don’t agree with everything but well thought out and written without the usual personal attacks that accompany dissent against the prevailing “wisdom”.


Popper, you're legitimately one of the most insulated and delusional people I've ever crossed paths with. Like, you need to broaden your horizons, man.

And it's hilarious how all these olds think millennials needs a bunch of sanctimonious lectures about how to be successful by virtue of simply being a milennial - you know not ALL millennials are struggling, right? It's completely unfathomable to you guys that someone can understand the plight of others without personally struggling themselves.

I rarely agree with popper about much of anything, but where some people I disagree with don't even pretend to do anything but plug their ears when a contrary opinion is offered, I've seen popper attempt to try and hear contrary views since he got here. Maybe some of us are too set in our ways to recognize alternatives, but for me, popper's civility is welcome.


Civility is not something I remotely care about.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1419 » by GhostofChenier » Sat Aug 4, 2018 10:20 pm

gtn130 wrote:
montestewart wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
Popper, you're legitimately one of the most insulated and delusional people I've ever crossed paths with. Like, you need to broaden your horizons, man.

And it's hilarious how all these olds think millennials needs a bunch of sanctimonious lectures about how to be successful by virtue of simply being a milennial - you know not ALL millennials are struggling, right? It's completely unfathomable to you guys that someone can understand the plight of others without personally struggling themselves.

I rarely agree with popper about much of anything, but where some people I disagree with don't even pretend to do anything but plug their ears when a contrary opinion is offered, I've seen popper attempt to try and hear contrary views since he got here. Maybe some of us are too set in our ways to recognize alternatives, but for me, popper's civility is welcome.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXI 

Post#1420 » by montestewart » Sat Aug 4, 2018 10:29 pm

GhostofChenier wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
montestewart wrote:I rarely agree with popper about much of anything, but where some people I disagree with don't even pretend to do anything but plug their ears when a contrary opinion is offered, I've seen popper attempt to try and hear contrary views since he got here. Maybe some of us are too set in our ways to recognize alternatives, but for me, popper's civility is welcome.


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