Danilo Gallinari named NBA Africa Game 2018 MVP

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[TheNewEra]

All about staying healthy, around the league he’s one of the best of the big contracts trying to be moved. It’s all in his health at this point he looked slow all of last season.

[Young Sterling]

Always good to have guys like Gallo and Harris remind other players why they'd be fun to play with on the clippers.

[Dynamix]

I'm just happy he didn't break anything.

[Ranma]

Let's be real here. The dude has never played an entire NBA season in his career and it is unlikely that he ever will now that he's older. The closest that he's ever gotten was his sophomore year and he missed the entire 2013-14 season. Gallo is always going to have the occasional standout game due to his skill set, but the one ability he can't master is availability.

It was a mistake to sign him just as I expected, but we had to double-down on supporting re-signing Blake Griffin, which was another blunder that was easily predicted by me as well given the statistical comparisons provided at the time. Tobias Harris was the saving grace from taking the chance on Griffin, but it remains to be seen what benefits we'll get from taking on Gallinari.

[Galloisdaman]

It is all about health. It would be hard for any shooter to play well with a broken hand or wrist. With that said people should not forget when Gallo did have a healthy 10-15 game stretch around the time of the big trade he was good for 20ppg-5rpg and was a plus player on this team. During that short stretch he was shooting around 50%fg-43%3pt-92%FT. The team also performed very well during that stretch. If Gallo is healthy he will be a positive player and a big trade chip.

[Ranma]

It is all about health. It would be hard for any shooter to play well with a broken hand or wrist. With that said people should not forget when Gallo did have a healthy 10-15 game stretch around the time of the big trade he was good for 20ppg-5rpg and was a plus player on this team. During that short stretch he was shooting around 50%fg-43%3pt-92%FT. The team also performed very well during that stretch. If Gallo is healthy he will be a positive player and a big trade chip.

I know he's your favorite player ever since you've appeared in his trade thread and defended him at every turn, but it's past time that you take off those rose-colored glasses. This "if healthy" scenario you're proposing is about as unrealistic as things can get.

He's averaged 46 games played (rounding up) for the past 3 seasons and only played in 21 during his first season with the Clippers. Like I've said, he's never once played an entire 82-game NBA season and has played as little as 14 games during the 2010-11 season if you don't count the 2013-14 season he missed the entirety of.

What evidence or support leads you to believe that he'll ever play an entire NBA season when he's older now and has never done so in his entire career? If you can find another team that considers him a valuable trade chip, by all means, let us and Jerry West know so that we can make the call.

[Galloisdaman]

It is all about health. It would be hard for any shooter to play well with a broken hand or wrist. With that said people should not forget when Gallo did have a healthy 10-15 game stretch around the time of the big trade he was good for 20ppg-5rpg and was a plus player on this team. During that short stretch he was shooting around 50%fg-43%3pt-92%FT. The team also performed very well during that stretch. If Gallo is healthy he will be a positive player and a big trade chip.

I know he's your favorite player ever since you've appeared in his trade thread and defended him at every turn, but it's past time that you take off those rose-colored glasses. This "if healthy" scenario you're proposing is about as unrealistic as things can get.

He's averaged 46 games played (rounding up) for the past 3 seasons and only played in 21 during his first season with the Clippers. Like I've said, he's never once played an entire 82-game NBA season and as played as little as 14 games during the 2010-11 season if you don't count the 2013-14 season he missed the entirety of.

What evidence or support leads to you believe that he'll ever play an entire NBA season when he's older now and has never done so in his entire career? If you can find another team that considers him a valuable trade chip, by all means, let us and Jerry West know so that we can make the call.

Only somebody looking to be hyperbolic would say somebody has not played a full season when they played 81 games out of 82 games in a season.

Gallo has been injured often. That is a fact but injuries happen in prosports. They happen to guys that give it there all. They happen to guys that are unusually tall. They happen because of bad luck. They happen for all sorts of reasons but they do not happen because somebody tries to get injured. I'm dealing with 2 injuries myself right now.

I have no reason to believe that if Gallo is healthy that he would not be a trade chip. Teams have tried to trade for him for years. I'm sure a team that thinks they have a chance at a championship would consider adding a guy like Gallo if he is healthy. As I said in my post it all comes down being healthy. If the Clippers or other NBA teams thought a healthy Gallo had no value then they would have never tried to trade for him or signed him to big contracts. He also would not have been a starter for most of his career. I hope Gallo is healthy because when healthy he has shown he can play this game at a very respectable level. BTW if healthy doesn't mean a guy has to play 82 games. There have been a number of players that have helped teams very well that have played less than 82 games in a season. Some were even MVPs. According to your line of thinking Steph Curry has never played a full season either.

[Ranma]

Only somebody looking to be hyperbolic would say somebody has not played a full season when they played 81 games out of 82 games in a season.

Gallo has been injured often. That is a fact but injuries happen in prosports. They happen to guys that give it there all. They happen to guys that are unusually tall. They happen because of bad luck. They happen for all sorts of reasons but they do not happen because somebody tries to get injured. I'm dealing with 2 injuries myself right now.

I have no reason to believe that if Gallo is healthy that he would not be a trade chip. Teams have tried to trade for him for years. I'm sure a team that thinks they have a chance at a championship would consider adding a guy like Gallo if he is healthy. As I said in my post it all comes down being healthy. If the Clippers or other NBA teams thought a healthy Gallo had no value then they would have never tried to trade for him or signed him to big contracts. He also would not have been a starter for most of his career. I hope Gallo is healthy because when healthy he has shown he can play this game at a very respectable level. BTW if healthy doesn't mean a guy has to play 82 games. There have been a number of players that have helped teams very well that have played less than 82 games in a season. Some were even MVPs. According to your line of thinking Steph Curry has never played a full season either.

Dude. I mentioned that the closest that he's come to playing a full season was his sophomore year and technically 81 games is not a full season. And he was only able to accomplish that feat just once early into his career. He's been in the league 10 years and has averaged 48 games played per season, which is barely more than half a season's worth of games. So how is my description distorting the overall picture?

I'm not in the mood to listen to excuses from a fanboy of a pretty-boy player who's shown himself to be frail and unable to stay healthy. Gallinari didn't even play one game for the Clippers before he injured his hand trying to punch someone in a friendly exhibition match. He has since played in about only a quarter of a season's worth of games and you keep trying to sell us that we should wait until he is healthy to see the benefits. That's total BS.

Seriously?! You're going to compare Gallo to Steph Curry? Get real. Curry averages 69 games played a season and put up record-breaking numbers even in those limited amount of games. Even Curry has played in almost 50% more games than Gallinari over almost the same amount of years and that doesn't even include the playoffs where Gallo isn't even close. His trade value in the past is just that...in the past. He has a longer track record of being injured so we're unlikely to get any real value for him unless it's for another burdensome contract. Why don't you answer these simple questions to hopefully smell the load that you're shoveling.

Do you expect Danilo Gallinari to ever play a full NBA season?
If so, what has he done to show that he's capable of doing so or what is he doing differently?
What team specifically has expressed recent interest in trading for him (cite legitimate source)?

[Galloisdaman]

Only somebody looking to be hyperbolic would say somebody has not played a full season when they played 81 games out of 82 games in a season.

Gallo has been injured often. That is a fact but injuries happen in prosports. They happen to guys that give it there all. They happen to guys that are unusually tall. They happen because of bad luck. They happen for all sorts of reasons but they do not happen because somebody tries to get injured. I'm dealing with 2 injuries myself right now.

I have no reason to believe that if Gallo is healthy that he would not be a trade chip. Teams have tried to trade for him for years. I'm sure a team that thinks they have a chance at a championship would consider adding a guy like Gallo if he is healthy. As I said in my post it all comes down being healthy. If the Clippers or other NBA teams thought a healthy Gallo had no value then they would have never tried to trade for him or signed him to big contracts. He also would not have been a starter for most of his career. I hope Gallo is healthy because when healthy he has shown he can play this game at a very respectable level. BTW if healthy doesn't mean a guy has to play 82 games. There have been a number of players that have helped teams very well that have played less than 82 games in a season. Some were even MVPs. According to your line of thinking Steph Curry has never played a full season either.

Dude. I mentioned that the closest that he's come to playing a full season was his sophomore year and technically 81 games is not a full season. And he was only able to accomplish that feat only once. He's been in the league 10 years and has averaged 48 games played per season, which is barely more than half a season worth of games. So how is my description distorting the overall picture.

I'm not in the mood to listen to excuses from a fanboy of a pretty-boy player who's shown himself to be frail and unable to stay healthy. Gallinari didn't even play one game for the Clippers before he injured his hand trying to punch someone in a friendly exhibition match. He has since played in about only a quarter of a season's worth of games and you keep trying to sell us that we should wait until he is healthy to see the benefits. That's total BS.

His trade value in the past is just that...in the past. He has a longer track record of being injured so we're unlikely to get any real value for him unless it's for another burdensome contract. Why don't you answer these simple questions to hopefully smell the load that you're shoveling.

Do you expect Danilo Gallinari to ever play a full NBA season?
If so, what has he done to show that he's capable of doing or or what is he doing differently?
What team specifically has expressed recent interest in trading for him (cite legitimate source)?

1. There is no need for personal insults.

2. Your definition of a full season (all 82 games) is silly. How many Clippers by your definition of a full season played a full season? Actually how many of the Champion Warriors played a full season by your definition? The two best big men (Davis, Embliid) in the game don't play 82 games. The biggest trade target this offseason Kwahi doesn't play 82 games. Gallo has had injuries. That is a fact that I have never disputed. Sadly injuries happen in all sports including the NBA. The only injury I blame him for is the punch. That was dumb. He should not have done that but to blame a guy for a torn knee, bad back, etc is just strange. He isn't a robot. Humans can get injured. If you were a NBA starter would you guarantee me that you would play 82 games a season? Have you never been injured playing a sport?

3. Gallo already played a full season in my eyes. 81 out of 82 games is a full season in my opinion. Your definition of a full season is beyond myopic. I think only around 20-30 NBA players played 82 games last season. That is less than 1 in 30. So by your definition around 450 other players did not play a full season? How many of the top 20 scorers in the NBA played a "full season" according to you?

4. If you do not think he has any value a player or trade chip then cut him. Watch how fast he gets signed by another team.

5. Your insults aside why ask me questions while telling me you are not in the mood to read my posts? Why ask if you are not open to other people's opinions?

[Ranma]

1. There is no need for personal insults.

I call them like I see them. You're doing nothing but making excuses for your favorite player and you 're taking that as a personal insult. I got a tip for you. Stop making excuses for him and you won't be called out as such.

2. Your definition of a full season (all 82 games) is silly. How many Clippers by your definition of a full season played a full season? Actually how many of the Champion Warriors played a full season by your definition? The two best big men (Davis, Embliid) in the game don't play 82 games. The biggest trade target this offseason Kwahi doesn't play 82 games. Gallo has had injuries. That is a fact that I have never disputed. Sadly injuries happen in all sports including the NBA. The only injury I blame him for is the punch. That was dumb. He should not have done that but to blame a guy for a torn knee, bad back, etc is just strange. He isn't a robot. Humans can get injured. If you were a NBA starter would you guarantee me that you would play 82 games a season? Have you never been injured playing a sport?

You missed my edit about how Curry has played a lot more games than Gallinari during the regular season and provided much more contributions even in such limited fashion compared to Gallinari. This doesn't even take into account the disparity in postseason contributions. So your citation of players not playing full seasons is intellectually dishonest especially when you factor in their respective contributions. Gallinari has averaged 46 games played a season. Why don't you cite notable players that play that many games over their careers to see his true value and for more apt comparisons?

3. Gallo already played a full season in my eyes. 81 out of 82 games is a full season in my opinion. Your definition of a full season is beyond myopic. I think only around 20-30 NBA players played 82 games last season. That is less than 1 in 30. So by your definition around 450 other players did not play a full season? How many of the top 20 scorers in the NBA played a "full season" according to you?

Even if you count that one season, like I said, he was only able to do that once. And you're calling me myopic? You really have the nerve and your fanboy love of Gallinari apparently has no bounds.

4. If you do not think he has any value a player or trade chip then cut him. Watch how fast he gets signed by another team.

That's easy to say when the Clippers are on the hook for paying him over $20 million a season. I'm judging his value and appeal by teams interested in him at that salary. Meanwhile, you're pulling this BS about cutting him and the amount of teams that would be interested in him at the minimum. News flash! Teams are likely to be more interested in players that they don't have to pay much for, genius. Nobody here is arguing that he's not talented but what good is that talent if it's not available on a regular basis?

5. Your insults aside why ask me questions while telling me you are not in the mood to read my posts? Why ask if you are not open to other people's opinions?

If you don't want to be insulted, then stop insulting our intelligence with BS answers and excuses. I'm asking for intelligent and reasoned responses, which you're apparently incapable of providing for whatever reason given your dodging of questions and facts presented to you. If you want to form a Gallinari fan club, find someplace else to do it. We're only interested in discussing Clippers basketball here in an intelligent manner.

[Galloisdaman]

1. There is no need for personal insults.

I call them like I see them. You're doing nothing but making excuses for your favorite player and you 're taking that as a personal insult. I got a tip for you. Stop making excuses for him and you won't be called out as such.

2. Your definition of a full season (all 82 games) is silly. How many Clippers by your definition of a full season played a full season? Actually how many of the Champion Warriors played a full season by your definition? The two best big men (Davis, Embliid) in the game don't play 82 games. The biggest trade target this offseason Kwahi doesn't play 82 games. Gallo has had injuries. That is a fact that I have never disputed. Sadly injuries happen in all sports including the NBA. The only injury I blame him for is the punch. That was dumb. He should not have done that but to blame a guy for a torn knee, bad back, etc is just strange. He isn't a robot. Humans can get injured. If you were a NBA starter would you guarantee me that you would play 82 games a season? Have you never been injured playing a sport?

You missed my edit about how Curry has played a lot more games than Gallinari during the regular season and provided much more contributions even in such limited fashion compared to Gallinari. This doesn't even take into account the disparity in postseason contributions. So your citation of players not playing full seasons is intellectually dishonest especially when you factor in their respective contributions. Gallinari has averaged 46 games played a season. Why don't you cite notable players that play that many games over their careers to see his true value and for more apt comparisons?

3. Gallo already played a full season in my eyes. 81 out of 82 games is a full season in my opinion. Your definition of a full season is beyond myopic. I think only around 20-30 NBA players played 82 games last season. That is less than 1 in 30. So by your definition around 450 other players did not play a full season? How many of the top 20 scorers in the NBA played a "full season" according to you?

Even if you count that one season, like I said, he was only able to do that once. And you're calling me myopic? You really have the nerve and your fanboy love of Gallinari apparently has no bounds.

4. If you do not think he has any value a player or trade chip then cut him. Watch how fast he gets signed by another team.

That's easy to say when the Clippers are on the hook for paying him over $20 million a season. I'm judging his value and appeal by teams interested in him at that salary. Meanwhile, you're pulling this BS about cutting him and the amount of teams that would be interested in him at the minimum. Newsflash! Teams are likely to be more interested in players that they don't have to pay much for, genius. Nobody here is arguing that he's not talented but what good is that talent if it's not available on a regular basis?

5. Your insults aside why ask me questions while telling me you are not in the mood to read my posts? Why ask if you are not open to other people's opinions?

If you don't want to be insulted, then stop insulting our intelligence with BS answers and excuses. I'm asking for intelligent and reasoned responses, which you're apparently incapable of providing for whatever reason given your dodging of questions and facts presented to you. If you want to form a Gallinari fan club, find someplace else to do it. We're only interested in discussing Clippers basketball here in an intelligent manner.

If you can not discuss a subject...any subject without personal insults then you lose.

[Ranma]

If you can not discuss a subject...any subject without personal insults then you lose.

Whatever. Why don't you take your roadshow to the general board and see if your BS flies over there? I don't expect much intelligent conversation to spring about but even among the peanut gallery, I doubt you'll convince many to hop aboard the Gallo Love Boat or that he's comparable to any of the players you've cited in this thread.

[Galloisdaman]

If you can not discuss a subject...any subject without personal insults then you lose.

Whatever. Why don't you take your roadshow to the general board and see if your BS flies over there? I don't expect much intelligent conversation to spring about but even among the peanut gallery, I doubt you'll convince many to hop aboard the Gallo Love Boat or that he's comparable to any of the players you've cited in this thread.

It must be interesting to be able to attribute things to other people then argue against some things that were never said while insulting the person at the same time. You keep fighting those imaginary strawmen that you have created in your head.

A straw man argument is a rhetoric technique where someone distorts their opponent’s argument, in order to make it easier to attack. By doing this, the person using the strawman pretends to refute their opponent’s argument, while in reality they refute a different argument, that does not accurately portray their opponent’s original stance.

[Quake Griffin]

Let's be real here. The dude has never played an entire NBA season in his career and it is unlikely that he ever will now that he's older. The closest that he's ever gotten was his sophomore year and he missed the entire 2013-14 season. Gallo is always going to have the occasional standout game due to his skill set, but the one ability he can't master is availability.

It was a mistake to sign him just as I expected, but we had to double-down on supporting re-signing Blake Griffin, which was another blunder that was easily predicted by me as well given the statistical comparisons provided at the time. Tobias Harris was the saving grace from taking the chance on Griffin, but it remains to be seen what benefits we'll get from taking on Gallinari.

Yep. It's one thing to pursue the wrong course of action. It's another to supplement/ add to/ and base other moves on the wrong course of action. This is why I generally have a "rip the band-aid off" type of approach to things. Fortunately Blake still had value on the open market and it kind of turned out to be alright that we got value for him instead of him walking for nothing.

Btw, don't forget Shai Gilgeous Alexander. The 12 pick was Detroit's and we sent that plus 2nds to get the the #11 pick.

Tobias and Shai.***

[Ranma]

It must be interesting to be able to attribute things to other people then argue against some things that were never said while insulting the person at the same time. You keep fighting those imaginary strawmen that you have created in your head.

A straw man argument is a rhetoric technique where someone distorts their opponent’s argument, in order to make it easier to attack. By doing this, the person using the strawman pretends to refute their opponent’s argument, while in reality they refute a different argument, that does not accurately portray their opponent’s original stance.

I don't need debate lessons from someone who has no grasp of reality and cannot separate facts from fiction. Comparing Danilo Gallinari to Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, and Kawhi Leonard? Enough said.

Before you presume to teach anyone on anything, why don't you finish up on your homework assignments. You're severely behind. You can start by citing players who've averaged 46 games or less over their NBA careers to see how comparable your boy Gallo truly is.

The fact that you take every opportunity to defend Gallinari from any and every mere criticism directed at him only confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a fanboy who can't see anything past his dreamy eyes and chiseled physique.

[Galloisdaman]

It must be interesting to be able to attribute things to other people then argue against some things that were never said while insulting the person at the same time. You keep fighting those imaginary strawmen that you have created in your head.

A straw man argument is a rhetoric technique where someone distorts their opponent’s argument, in order to make it easier to attack. By doing this, the person using the strawman pretends to refute their opponent’s argument, while in reality they refute a different argument, that does not accurately portray their opponent’s original stance.

I don't need debate lessons from someone who has no grasp of reality and cannot separate facts from fiction. Comparing Danilo Gallinari to Stephen Curry, Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, and Kawhi Leonard? Enough said.

Before you presume to teach anyone on anything, why don't you finish up on your homework assignments. You're severely behind. You can start by citing players who've averaged 46 games or less over their NBA careers to see how comparable your boy Gallo truly is.

The fact that you take every opportunity to defend Gallinari from any and every mere criticism directed at him only confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a fanboy who can't see anything past his dreamy eyes and chiseled physique.

Keep kicking. I do not think you killed your strawman yet!

A straw man argument is a rhetoric technique where someone distorts their opponent’s argument, in order to make it easier to attack. By doing this, the person using the strawman pretends to refute their opponent’s argument, while in reality they refute a different argument, that does not accurately portray their opponent’s original stance.

[Ranma]

Keep kicking. I do not think you killed your strawman yet!

Homeboy. Seriously. For your own sake, go ahead and present this thread to the general board or anywhere else on the Internet where there's basketball discussion and see which one of us will be pointed to as making the strawman argument. I'm certainly not concerned to see the results, but unfortunately for you, I'm afraid your worldview and reason for existing will be shattered.

Instead of trolling around here and accusing others of your own sins, go out and get a taste of reality.

[Galloisdaman]

Keep kicking. I do not think you killed your strawman yet!

Homeboy. Seriously. For your own sake, go ahead and present this thread to the general board or anywhere else on the Internet where there's basketball discussion and see which one of us will be pointed to as making the strawman argument. I'm certainly not concerned to see the results, but unfortunately for you, I'm afraid your worldview and reason for existing will be shattered.

Instead of trolling around here and accusing others of your own sins, go out and get a taste of reality.

If you can not discuss a subject...any subject without personal insults then you lose.

[Ranma]

If you can not discuss a subject...any subject without personal insults then you lose.

So now you're resorting to repeating the same lame line without actually making any point of substance? Figures. So your bag of straws is as empty as your head now?