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Mi ideal rotation would have Bradley and Milos playing for some other team. But since they're here, I guess you're gonna have to push Jerome out of it and let every other guard play less minutes than they should be playing. Which is a lot less than ideal.
Hope I'm wrong, but when the trade deadline comes and no one is offering anything of value for Bradley or Teodosic, they'll realise they've been wasting their time by pushing the rookies down in the rotation.
Hope I'm wrong, but when the trade deadline comes and no one is offering anything of value for Bradley or Teodosic, they'll realise they've been wasting their time by pushing the rookies down in the rotation.
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TheNewEra wrote:Would love
Beverly/SGA
Bradley/Williams
Gallo/Robinson
Harris/Scott
Gortat/Harrell
Robinson has to get stronger
Luc?
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illastrate wrote:TheNewEra wrote:Would love
Beverly/SGA
Bradley/Williams
Gallo/Robinson
Harris/Scott
Gortat/Harrell
Robinson has to get stronger
Luc?
Really don’t care if Luc plays I assume he will but I’d prefer Jerome.
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If they make the rookies play in line ups with Lou, Scott and Trez, I'm gonna be pissed. They're not even gonna touch the ball more than a couple times a game.
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On paper these rotations do not look like anything close to a playoff team. If Doc even has them near 500 I think he will have done a great job. Some of these lineups almost looks like an expansion team roster.
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Galloisdaman wrote:On paper these rotations do not look like anything close to a playoff team. If Doc even has them near 500 I think he will have done a great job. Some of these lineups almost looks like an expansion team roster.
Last yearl, they won 42 games and didn't get eliminated from the playoffs until game 80 with a skeleton crew. Now, they lost DJ and Austin, but got deeper with the addition of Scott/Luc/SGA/Jerome and hopefully full years from Bev, Bradley and Gallo(haha). They could definitely outdo what they did last season and it still may not be enough to make the playoffs.
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Pre All-Star break, I don’t think we’re going to have a 10-man rotation. I think our top minute players will be around 32-34 (Tobias, hopefully Gallo, maybe Bradley), with a bunch of players in the 24-28 mpg category and a bunch more in the 16-24 mpg range. By rotations, I guess that means:
C—Gortat, Trezz
PF—Tobias, Scott
SF—Gallo, Luc
SG—AB, Lou, Jerome
PG—Bev, Milos, SGA
… which doesn’t account for players playing multiple positions. We’ve got (a lot) more flexibility than we had, so that rotation isn’t accurate. And I’ll say this again—I’m betting we move players around the time of the break; if Gallo is playing well, it’ll be him. If SGA and Jerome have shown a decent level of capability, then Lou, AB, and Milos will be on the block too. I’ll also guess that, for the first half, SGA and Jerome play 70-75% of games. This is why I hate looking at rotations and minutes as per game—nobody plays 82 games. A team will have a lot of different rotations by default. So I’m going to speculate that in the 45 games before the break, the numbers will break down something like this:
Tobias—42 G, 1450 M (34.5 mpg)
AB—37 G, 1150 M (31.1 mpg)
Gallo—35 G, 1150 M (32.9 mpg)
Gortat—40 G, 1100 M (27.5 mpg)
Lou—40 G, 1050 M (26.3 mpg)
Bev—37 G, 925 M (25 mpg)
Trezz—37 G, 875 M (23.6 mpg)
Scott—40 G, 700 M (17.5 mpg)
Luc—35 G, 650 M (18.6 mpg)
Milos—35 G, 650 M (18.6 mpg)
SGA—32 G, 550 M (17.2 mpg)
Jerome—32 G, 500 M (15.6 mpg)
That leaves 9-10 mpg to divvied up the remaining players. After the break, I think we’ll at least 1 guard lighter. I think SGA and Jerome will end up playing about 2400-2500 combined minutes for the season.
C—Gortat, Trezz
PF—Tobias, Scott
SF—Gallo, Luc
SG—AB, Lou, Jerome
PG—Bev, Milos, SGA
… which doesn’t account for players playing multiple positions. We’ve got (a lot) more flexibility than we had, so that rotation isn’t accurate. And I’ll say this again—I’m betting we move players around the time of the break; if Gallo is playing well, it’ll be him. If SGA and Jerome have shown a decent level of capability, then Lou, AB, and Milos will be on the block too. I’ll also guess that, for the first half, SGA and Jerome play 70-75% of games. This is why I hate looking at rotations and minutes as per game—nobody plays 82 games. A team will have a lot of different rotations by default. So I’m going to speculate that in the 45 games before the break, the numbers will break down something like this:
Tobias—42 G, 1450 M (34.5 mpg)
AB—37 G, 1150 M (31.1 mpg)
Gallo—35 G, 1150 M (32.9 mpg)
Gortat—40 G, 1100 M (27.5 mpg)
Lou—40 G, 1050 M (26.3 mpg)
Bev—37 G, 925 M (25 mpg)
Trezz—37 G, 875 M (23.6 mpg)
Scott—40 G, 700 M (17.5 mpg)
Luc—35 G, 650 M (18.6 mpg)
Milos—35 G, 650 M (18.6 mpg)
SGA—32 G, 550 M (17.2 mpg)
Jerome—32 G, 500 M (15.6 mpg)
That leaves 9-10 mpg to divvied up the remaining players. After the break, I think we’ll at least 1 guard lighter. I think SGA and Jerome will end up playing about 2400-2500 combined minutes for the season.

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illastrate wrote:Galloisdaman wrote:On paper these rotations do not look like anything close to a playoff team. If Doc even has them near 500 I think he will have done a great job. Some of these lineups almost looks like an expansion team roster.
Last yearl, they won 42 games and didn't get eliminated from the playoffs until game 80 with a skeleton crew. Now, they lost DJ and Austin, but got deeper with the addition of Scott/Luc/SGA/Jerome and hopefully full years from Bev, Bradley and Gallo(haha). They could definitely outdo what they did last season and it still may not be enough to make the playoffs.
I thought their record last season was amazing. I still have no idea how Doc pulled that off. If they can compete for a playoffs spot this season Doc will be my coach of the year. This roster looks like a puzzle board with a few lost pieces at this point.
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Galloisdaman wrote:illastrate wrote:Galloisdaman wrote:On paper these rotations do not look like anything close to a playoff team. If Doc even has them near 500 I think he will have done a great job. Some of these lineups almost looks like an expansion team roster.
Last yearl, they won 42 games and didn't get eliminated from the playoffs until game 80 with a skeleton crew. Now, they lost DJ and Austin, but got deeper with the addition of Scott/Luc/SGA/Jerome and hopefully full years from Bev, Bradley and Gallo(haha). They could definitely outdo what they did last season and it still may not be enough to make the playoffs.
I thought their record last season was amazing. I still have no idea how Doc pulled that off. If they can compete for a playoffs spot this season Doc will be my coach of the year. This roster looks like a puzzle board with a few lost pieces at this point.
Beverley, Gallo and Bradley combined for an absurd 38 games played for the Clippers. If each of them play 60 games this season, that's 180 combined games. I don't see how that won't make a difference.
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2 of those guys coming off surgeries...Beverly's a surgery where we've seen players never be the same again upon their return.
There's a reason Vegas has us at 35 wins.
It's not because it's so readily apparent that this team can outdo last year.
There's a reason Vegas has us at 35 wins.
It's not because it's so readily apparent that this team can outdo last year.
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Well, on paper, we’re in decent shape. It’s an odd combo—IMO, we’ve got marginal starter strength, but truly (almost disconcertingly) good depth. Consider:
--Our backup guards right now are Lou Williams (sixth man of the year), Milos Teodosic (catalyst; team was 29-16 with him) and two highly rated, lottery pick rookies, SGA and Jerome.
--Our backup C was coveted by multiple teams. Even as a backup, Trezz was among the league leaders in PER and WS/48. And Boban is more than human victory cigar—his style and matchups and fouls keep him from playing a whole lot … but when he’s out there, he’s massively productive.
--Our new backup forwards, Mike Scott and Luc, were both quality backups with playoff teams. And for extra juice, we picked up a nice second year guy who has the potential (which I think he’ll realize) of being this year’s Trezz in Johnathan Motley.
--I think Sindarius is going to more burn at SF this year. We forget he’s got a 6’10” wingspan. As far as I’m concerned, he and Boban are the 14th and 15th men on the team.
The probably, really, is that we’ve got one good NBA starter (Tobias), one that’s actually better but misses time (Gallo), a good but declining player (Gortat), and two undersized but tough guards coming off injury (AB and Bev). If everyone played to their peak and didn’t miss games, and our rookies developed, we could be a surprise playoff team with 45-48 wins. The thing is, that rarely happens to any team…and our team has two guards coming off season ending injuries and (gulp) Danilo Gallinari. But our depth should keep us (well) above 30 wins. We’d have to have lots of injuries—more than last year—to drop us to 30 wins.
So add the two and divide. 37.5 to 39 wins. The X-factor is coaching. It’s more of an issue this year, because we’ve got interchangeable pieces and no true star. For better or worse, I think a lot of our final record will be a referendum on Doc.
--Our backup guards right now are Lou Williams (sixth man of the year), Milos Teodosic (catalyst; team was 29-16 with him) and two highly rated, lottery pick rookies, SGA and Jerome.
--Our backup C was coveted by multiple teams. Even as a backup, Trezz was among the league leaders in PER and WS/48. And Boban is more than human victory cigar—his style and matchups and fouls keep him from playing a whole lot … but when he’s out there, he’s massively productive.
--Our new backup forwards, Mike Scott and Luc, were both quality backups with playoff teams. And for extra juice, we picked up a nice second year guy who has the potential (which I think he’ll realize) of being this year’s Trezz in Johnathan Motley.
--I think Sindarius is going to more burn at SF this year. We forget he’s got a 6’10” wingspan. As far as I’m concerned, he and Boban are the 14th and 15th men on the team.
The probably, really, is that we’ve got one good NBA starter (Tobias), one that’s actually better but misses time (Gallo), a good but declining player (Gortat), and two undersized but tough guards coming off injury (AB and Bev). If everyone played to their peak and didn’t miss games, and our rookies developed, we could be a surprise playoff team with 45-48 wins. The thing is, that rarely happens to any team…and our team has two guards coming off season ending injuries and (gulp) Danilo Gallinari. But our depth should keep us (well) above 30 wins. We’d have to have lots of injuries—more than last year—to drop us to 30 wins.
So add the two and divide. 37.5 to 39 wins. The X-factor is coaching. It’s more of an issue this year, because we’ve got interchangeable pieces and no true star. For better or worse, I think a lot of our final record will be a referendum on Doc.

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illastrate wrote:Galloisdaman wrote:illastrate wrote:
Last yearl, they won 42 games and didn't get eliminated from the playoffs until game 80 with a skeleton crew. Now, they lost DJ and Austin, but got deeper with the addition of Scott/Luc/SGA/Jerome and hopefully full years from Bev, Bradley and Gallo(haha). They could definitely outdo what they did last season and it still may not be enough to make the playoffs.
I thought their record last season was amazing. I still have no idea how Doc pulled that off. If they can compete for a playoffs spot this season Doc will be my coach of the year. This roster looks like a puzzle board with a few lost pieces at this point.
Beverley, Gallo and Bradley combined for an absurd 38 games played for the Clippers. If each of them play 60 games this season, that's 180 combined games. I don't see how that won't make a difference.
Having those guys should help but I felt like last years record was over expectations based on the roster. I still do not know what to make of Beverley. I like his defense and his attitude. I just do not want him looking for his own shot too often. Doc has a lot of interesting choices for the lineup. Do they really have a point guard to distribute? I know Gallo and Lou can help out in that regard but they are not a substitution for a real PG. I know Milo can distribute. Will he be here?
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SGA/Pat Bev/Bradley
Lou/Jerome
Tobias/Jerome/Wes
Gallo(wishful thinking here)/Trezz/Scott
Gortat/Trezz/Boban
Lou/Jerome
Tobias/Jerome/Wes
Gallo(wishful thinking here)/Trezz/Scott
Gortat/Trezz/Boban
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Since some players have guaranteed minutes it is logical to rotate others around them with trying to give a chance for all players to participate.
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Gallo is good , he is expert in drawing faults and he is not reluctant to pass when somebody is opened. Gallo and Harris are serious threat for any defense. They only need a better point guard rolling with them. Lou is maybe the best player in LAC , it's close, Danilo and Tobi are up there in the same category, all others are much below with exception of Harrell who really is good , yet he is used, and this is what suits him better, against second teams, as a energizer bunny and a method of surprise. As I said it is hard for Doc Rivers , he ought to continue digging deep into rotation and although Lou, Tobi and Danilo are 3 best LAC players I don't think it's a good idea to put all 3 of them together at the same time on the floor. All three of them are " look at the hoop to score first" guys and in this order. Williams demands the ball the most, than Gallo and finally Harris who is a greatest team player among them. Regarding other players at the corner of the bench.... I really want to see Thornwell (nobody mentions him?), I think he is above NBA average athletic, his play style is little bit limited but at one point he has to get some minutes. Nobody can say he is bad when we did not see him in action, he isn't old and can't be viewed and putted in the same basket with Luc Mbah a Moute. We will see , Luc BM will recover soon and he was known as one of the better defensive players in entire NBA regarding his position, or so I have heard. Look..., before the season I thought Clippers will have a tough start but they proved me wrong as they already overcame my modest expectations. The biggest uncertainty IMO is the danger of LAC to be read like a open book by opposing teams. Clippers do not have a GO2 guy except Lou, that is not enough, so Rivers has to keep some of his cards dissimulated. I think If LAC reach PO than they could really surprise even more afterwards. Clippers strengths is their deep roster, good team chemistry and coaching staff. Sam C is doing a great work with player, I have noticed that, but point guards should work directly with Doc.
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