2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

rcc8884 · Post #1381 » by **rcc8884** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 2:57 pm

DarkHawk wrote:I originally questioned why the Knicks would stretch and waive Noah....
Then I saw this article: http://www.tmz.com/2018/08/07/joakim-noah-strips-naked-in-venice/

Why did I click the link instead of just reading the link?

Post #1382 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 3:06 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Puff wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Rondo, when engaged, is in a different league. Chicago probably beats a good Boston team in the playoffs last year if he doesn't go down, since he was picking them apart early in the series. And he really helped the Pelicans last year. I think it's a current downgrade, but looking at AD's age, it's probably not a bad decision to try Payton out to see if he can be a worthy backup. I think he should be an above avg backup PG.

Quite frankly I think it was a poor decision not to keep Payton for what he ended up signing for. I expect Payton to do well and be yet another McDonough cast off to make the playoffs in another city.

Not saying Payton can't improve but Payton had 4 seasons prove he's more than just a playmaker with a very inconsistent shot. Also we can't assume Payton would have signed with us for the same as what he signed for.

When you are last in 3 pt shooting and by far last in defense, you can't keep too many guys around that can't do either, particularly at the PG spot. With Warren and Jackson it's good we added some that can do both and got rid of guys like Payton. But of course it would be nice if Warren and Jackson improved in those respects, but at least Warren is an efficient scorer, and we lack many pure scorers, and Jackson is supposed to be a solid defender, and should improve in that area, but he also needs to cut down on the turnovers and become far more efficient.

King4Day · Post #1383 » by **King4Day** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 6:01 pm

rcc8884 wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:I originally questioned why the Knicks would stretch and waive Noah....
Then I saw this article: http://www.tmz.com/2018/08/07/joakim-noah-strips-naked-in-venice/

Why did I click the link instead of just reading the link?

lol

King4Day · Post #1384 » by **King4Day** » Thu Aug 9, 2018 6:05 pm

Wonder if there are any legs to this:

https://cavaliersnation.com/2018/08/08/report-cleveland-cavaliers-interested-in-miami-heats-hassan-whiteside/

Deal would be Whiteside for Thompson & Korver.

NavLDO · Post #1385 » by **NavLDO** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:27 pm

Puff wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
I mean... kinda. Rondo was once an incredible player and occasionally that player shows up. Knows everything about his opponents; a true student of the game. Payton has had the occasional flash, but as we've seen, he can also go weeks without having an okay game. There's a reason Rondo got a serious FA offer, while Payton did not.

Rondo, when engaged, is in a different league. Chicago probably beats a good Boston team in the playoffs last year if he doesn't go down, since he was picking them apart early in the series. And he really helped the Pelicans last year. I think it's a current downgrade, but looking at AD's age, it's probably not a bad decision to try Payton out to see if he can be a worthy backup. I think he should be an above avg backup PG.

Quite frankly I think it was a poor decision not to keep Payton for what he ended up signing for. I expect Payton to do well and be yet another McDonough cast off to make the playoffs in another city.

Completely agree. He's young, and better than ANY PG we currently have on the roster. Haters can point to team stats, etc., with him on the floor last year, but of course, those same posters refuse to acknowledge that a) we were tanking, and b) the rest of our team was pretty bad, and c) we had a horrible HC. What would it have hurt to keep our best PG on the roster?? We wouldn't have been able to overpay Ariza by about $7M to sign him for a 1-yr deal, and actually use that towards a different better answer in FA?

So, while teams like Toronto are buying Kawhi Leonard for a song, Indiana is signing a 28YO Tyreke Evans for $3M less than what we paid for a lesser player, and other trades/signings like Boogie and Melo (and yes, Melo at $2.4M is better than Ariza at $15M)

we are signing guys that have this type of impact...

"..the team was 15-1 in games Ariza didn't play last season..."

McD's most 'inspired move' was trading for Richaun Holmes...yay. Yes, I like that move, but that is not a 'were headed to the Playoffs-level' move.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1386 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:39 pm

NavLDO wrote:
Puff wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Rondo, when engaged, is in a different league. Chicago probably beats a good Boston team in the playoffs last year if he doesn't go down, since he was picking them apart early in the series. And he really helped the Pelicans last year. I think it's a current downgrade, but looking at AD's age, it's probably not a bad decision to try Payton out to see if he can be a worthy backup. I think he should be an above avg backup PG.

Quite frankly I think it was a poor decision not to keep Payton for what he ended up signing for. I expect Payton to do well and be yet another McDonough cast off to make the playoffs in another city.

Completely agree. He's young, and better than ANY PG we currently have on the roster. Haters can point to team stats, etc., with him on the floor last year, but of course, those same posters refuse to acknowledge that a) we were tanking, and b) the rest of our team was pretty bad, and c) we had a horrible HC. What would it have hurt to keep our best PG on the roster?? We wouldn't have been able to overpay Ariza by about $7M to sign him for a 1-yr deal, and actually use that towards a different better answer in FA?

So, while teams like Toronto are buying Kawhi Leonard for a song, Indiana is signing a 28YO Tyreke Evans for $3M less than what we paid for a lesser player, and other trades/signings like Boogie and Melo (and yes, Melo at $2.4M is better than Ariza at $15M)

we are signing guys that have this type of impact...

"..the team was 15-1 in games Ariza didn't play last season..."

McD's most 'inspired move' was trading for Richaun Holmes...yay. Yes, I like that move, but that is not a 'were headed to the Playoffs-level' move.

I don't know how anyone who watched could think that *Payton* was our best PG last season. For me, top 3 were Shaq, Canaan and f'ing Mike James (despite the awful fit). Payton had like a week of good games and then proceeded to throw his audition. The FO tanked the team, not the players. Payton tanked himself. Knight's at least shown something in the NBA. Shaq outplayed Payton and is cheaper with possibly greater potential as well.

Evans has had one healthy season in the last... what, five years? We needed a guy who can play. And with so many talented SFs on the roster who have shown everything but 3&D, we needed a guy who could demonstrate to our young guys how to do what we need them to do. And I trust that Koko knew what he was talking about when he said Ariza was #1 on his list of guys who would help this roster. I never thought Evans would be a particularly good fit, and I wouldn't want to upset whatever chance remains that BK will make a good run with this team.

Post #1387 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:58 pm

NavLDO wrote:
Puff wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Rondo, when engaged, is in a different league. Chicago probably beats a good Boston team in the playoffs last year if he doesn't go down, since he was picking them apart early in the series. And he really helped the Pelicans last year. I think it's a current downgrade, but looking at AD's age, it's probably not a bad decision to try Payton out to see if he can be a worthy backup. I think he should be an above avg backup PG.

Quite frankly I think it was a poor decision not to keep Payton for what he ended up signing for. I expect Payton to do well and be yet another McDonough cast off to make the playoffs in another city.

Completely agree. He's young, and better than ANY PG we currently have on the roster. Haters can point to team stats, etc., with him on the floor last year, but of course, those same posters refuse to acknowledge that a) we were tanking, and b) the rest of our team was pretty bad, and c) we had a horrible HC. What would it have hurt to keep our best PG on the roster?? We wouldn't have been able to overpay Ariza by about $7M to sign him for a 1-yr deal, and actually use that towards a different better answer in FA?

So, while teams like Toronto are buying Kawhi Leonard for a song, Indiana is signing a 28YO Tyreke Evans for $3M less than what we paid for a lesser player, and other trades/signings like Boogie and Melo (and yes, Melo at $2.4M is better than Ariza at $15M)

we are signing guys that have this type of impact...

"..the team was 15-1 in games Ariza didn't play last season..."

McD's most 'inspired move' was trading for Richaun Holmes...yay. Yes, I like that move, but that is not a 'were headed to the Playoffs-level' move.

Payton was a top 10 pick by the Magic and when his RFA came up they wanted no part of it and traded him for a mid 2nd. That doesn't say much about a player. This isn't the same Magic front office that let Dipo or Harris go either. This is the one that drafted Giannis, traded for Middleton and drafted Brogdon and moved to the Magic last summer as GM. If Payton could only get $3 million in FA that certainly doesn't say a lot about what NBA GMs think of him.

jcsunsfan · Post #1388 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:16 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
Puff wrote:
Quite frankly I think it was a poor decision not to keep Payton for what he ended up signing for. I expect Payton to do well and be yet another McDonough cast off to make the playoffs in another city.

Completely agree. He's young, and better than ANY PG we currently have on the roster. Haters can point to team stats, etc., with him on the floor last year, but of course, those same posters refuse to acknowledge that a) we were tanking, and b) the rest of our team was pretty bad, and c) we had a horrible HC. What would it have hurt to keep our best PG on the roster?? We wouldn't have been able to overpay Ariza by about $7M to sign him for a 1-yr deal, and actually use that towards a different better answer in FA?

So, while teams like Toronto are buying Kawhi Leonard for a song, Indiana is signing a 28YO Tyreke Evans for $3M less than what we paid for a lesser player, and other trades/signings like Boogie and Melo (and yes, Melo at $2.4M is better than Ariza at $15M)

we are signing guys that have this type of impact...

"..the team was 15-1 in games Ariza didn't play last season..."

McD's most 'inspired move' was trading for Richaun Holmes...yay. Yes, I like that move, but that is not a 'were headed to the Playoffs-level' move.

Payton was a top 10 pick by the Magic and when his RFA came up they wanted no part of it and traded him for a mid 2nd. That doesn't say much about a player. This isn't the same Magic front office that let Dipo or Harris go either. This is the one that drafted Giannis, traded for Middleton and drafted Brogdon and moved to the Magic last summer as GM. If Payton could only get $3 million in FA that certainly doesn't say a lot about what NBA GMs think of him.

There is more to the Payton story but I am not sure what it is. Maybe it has something to do with hair (where it was) maybe not. But it seems to me that there is something in his private life, habits or something that made teams not to keep him. The Suns saw him play well for about a month and then he just dropped.

Maybe he smokes A LOT or weed or something. I am just grasping at straws. In his rookie interviews, Payton claimed he had "never even tried" weed. He was also asked if he had a girlfriend, to which he said "yes." He was then asked what his "pick up line" was.

I don't know. There is something not quite right with the dude, and I just have no idea what it is. It is probably irresponsible to speculate.

Saberestar · Post #1389 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:52 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
Completely agree. He's young, and better than ANY PG we currently have on the roster. Haters can point to team stats, etc., with him on the floor last year, but of course, those same posters refuse to acknowledge that a) we were tanking, and b) the rest of our team was pretty bad, and c) we had a horrible HC. What would it have hurt to keep our best PG on the roster?? We wouldn't have been able to overpay Ariza by about $7M to sign him for a 1-yr deal, and actually use that towards a different better answer in FA?

So, while teams like Toronto are buying Kawhi Leonard for a song, Indiana is signing a 28YO Tyreke Evans for $3M less than what we paid for a lesser player, and other trades/signings like Boogie and Melo (and yes, Melo at $2.4M is better than Ariza at $15M)

we are signing guys that have this type of impact...

"..the team was 15-1 in games Ariza didn't play last season..."

McD's most 'inspired move' was trading for Richaun Holmes...yay. Yes, I like that move, but that is not a 'were headed to the Playoffs-level' move.

Payton was a top 10 pick by the Magic and when his RFA came up they wanted no part of it and traded him for a mid 2nd. That doesn't say much about a player. This isn't the same Magic front office that let Dipo or Harris go either. This is the one that drafted Giannis, traded for Middleton and drafted Brogdon and moved to the Magic last summer as GM. If Payton could only get $3 million in FA that certainly doesn't say a lot about what NBA GMs think of him.

There is more to the Payton story but I am not sure what it is. Maybe it has something to do with hair (where it was) maybe not. But it seems to me that there is something in his private life, habits or something that made teams not to keep him. The Suns saw him play well for about a month and then he just dropped.

Maybe he smokes A LOT or weed or something. I am just grasping at straws. In his rookie interviews, Payton claimed he had "never even tried" weed. He was also asked if he had a girlfriend, to which he said "yes." He was then asked what his "pick up line" was.

I don't know. There is something not quite right with the dude, and I just have no idea what it is. It is probably irresponsible to speculate.

His biggest problem is intensity and effort IMO.

He just lacks a good motor, and that next to his bad shooting makes him a backup PG in the NBA.

rcc8884 · Post #1390 » by **rcc8884** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:30 pm

https://www.nba.com/suns/schedule#

Schedule was released. The beginning looks brutal with the Warriors, Lakers, Nuggets, Thunder (3x), Spurs (2x), Raptors, Celtics, Pelicans, and Sixers in the first 15 games

Saberestar · Post #1391 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:57 pm

Read on Twitter

Gorilla Warfare · Post #1392 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:07 pm

Cavs get just 2 nationally televised games this season. Less than the Suns. Woof.

Hawks, Nets, Hornets, Grizzlies, Magic, and Kings get 1.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #1393 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:10 pm

Suns have just 3 home games between Jan 25th - March 1st.

BurningHeart · Post #1394 » by **BurningHeart** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:30 pm

I have no problem with it. This team has to prove that it's even *slightly* worth a **** to be scheduled for national TV.

LukasBMW · Post #1395 » by **LukasBMW** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:32 pm

Puff wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
I mean... kinda. Rondo was once an incredible player and occasionally that player shows up. Knows everything about his opponents; a true student of the game. Payton has had the occasional flash, but as we've seen, he can also go weeks without having an okay game. There's a reason Rondo got a serious FA offer, while Payton did not.

Rondo, when engaged, is in a different league. Chicago probably beats a good Boston team in the playoffs last year if he doesn't go down, since he was picking them apart early in the series. And he really helped the Pelicans last year. I think it's a current downgrade, but looking at AD's age, it's probably not a bad decision to try Payton out to see if he can be a worthy backup. I think he should be an above avg backup PG.

Quite frankly I think it was a poor decision not to keep Payton for what he ended up signing for. I expect Payton to do well and be yet another McDonough cast off to make the playoffs in another city.

Agree 100%. Especially with the haircut.

Saberestar · Post #1396 » by **Saberestar** » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:59 pm

BurningHeart wrote:I have no problem with it. This team has to prove that it's even *slightly* worth a **** to be scheduled for national TV.

Yeah, I agree.

We were the worst team in the league and we just have added to the team three rookies, Ariza and Holmes.

And we do not have an starting PG.

King4Day · Post #1397 » by **King4Day** » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:48 am

Our schedule to start the season is absolutely brutal. We could realistically start the year 2-14

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1398 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:20 am

DarkHawk wrote:Our schedule to start the season is absolutely brutal. We could realistically start the year 2-14

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DirtyDez · Post #1399 » by **DirtyDez** » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:36 am

DarkHawk wrote:Our schedule to start the season is absolutely brutal. We could realistically start the year 2-14

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Spoiler:

***ducks for cover***

Post #1400 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:52 am

Saberestar wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:I have no problem with it. This team has to prove that it's even *slightly* worth a **** to be scheduled for national TV.

Yeah, I agree.

We were the worst team in the league and we just have added to the team three rookies, Ariza and Holmes.

And we do not have an starting PG.

Yeah, I saw Sidery tweet earlier that he thought we'd have six (after having 3 last year) since we have Ayton and Booker and the west coast crowd would want to see, and I'm thinking "Hello? LeBron moved west" in addition to how exciting 10 or so other teams are. Then you have the Clips and Mavs which are in bigger metro areas and media exposure. Being on mountain time doesn't help either since almost everyone else is on ET, CT or PT, so our home start times, if nationally televised, have to start at different times than normal.