2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

[Priest24]

Oh the Sixers and their famous inferiority complex...

While he might have top level impact among rookies, the ROY award is almost always a stat accumulation award, which I don't think he will do at the level of other rookies.

What makes you think that? It’s not like the Kings have a Booker that will suck up 20 attempts a game. Our highest attempt player was Randolph at 12.9 and Giles will take many of his touches.

All Kings fans seems really high on Giles, what is the reason you guys prefer him to Marvin Bagley for example?

I liked Giles in high school due to his lateral mobility with upside on the offensive end was fantastic. Would be a wonderful story if he turns into an impact player after all! I always had some questions about his BBIQ/feel.

Not a Kings fan at all. Just from Winston Salem originally and want to see the kid do good. He's talented but has had terrible luck with injuries.

[Sactowndog]

Oh the Sixers and their famous inferiority complex...

While he might have top level impact among rookies, the ROY award is almost always a stat accumulation award, which I don't think he will do at the level of other rookies.

What makes you think that? It’s not like the Kings have a Booker that will suck up 20 attempts a game. Our highest attempt player was Randolph at 12.9 and Giles will take many of his touches.

All Kings fans seems really high on Giles, what is the reason you guys prefer him to Marvin Bagley for example?

I liked Giles in high school due to his lateral mobility with upside on the offensive end was fantastic. Would be a wonderful story if he turns into an impact player after all! I always had some questions about his BBIQ/feel.

1) Most of the Kings players have been raving about him for sometime. One person in the Kings front office said he was the best player on the Kings right now this summer.

2) he is a hardworking kid who has put in the work to get back. That alone makes Kings fans love him.

3) BBIQ is not a problem. We heard and saw it is very high. Many of us expect he and Bogdanovic will play extremely well together as both are high IQ guys. I expect a Bogdan/Giles pick and roll/pop to be an effective weapon for the Kings.

4) I think people discount the advantage a red shirt rookie has over a real rookie. Giles was being raved about last year and he has had since May to keep working on his game. He also isn’t figuring out his teammates. He has been practicing with them since Feb. it’s a huge advantage.

[Duke4life831]

...And also, there are things that college has over Euroleagues, college has a more specific goal of developing them for the NBA than Euro does, fwiw.

NCAA teams have the specific goal of winning NCAA games. They care very little about developing players for the NBA. Even (and perhaps especially) with players who are clear one and done NBA prospects.

If you only have a guy for a year, you don't have time to develop skills (especially current weaknesses) to prepare a player for the next level. You are going to try to take advantage of a guy's strengths and win as many games as possible. Do you think Mike Krzyzewski spent a lot of time developing Marvin Bagley's right hand, three point shot, and man defense?

I'd still put John Calipari in this category, even though some of his players have been better in the NBA than in college. I think he has such a pipeline of top recruits coming in that he has trouble defining roles and deciding who to feature. So you get KAT and Booker averaging 20 minutes and 10 points apiece. That wasn't to help them develop into good NBA players; it was politics of accommodating a logjam of top recruits. Calipari recruits a lot of NBA players; he doesn't develop them.

I do think they pass off good wisdom and advice to these OADs, but the amount of habits and skills they can truly develop with these guys are pretty limited because of the limited time they have with them. Its no surprise that a good chunk of the young all stars are from Duke and Kentucky. It isnt because Cal and K are developing their OADs better. Its because 2010-2013 Kentucky dominated recruiting, then from 2014 on, it has been Duke-UK flip flopping 1st and 2nd in the recruiting rankings every year. Both Kentucky for almost a decade now and Duke for the last 5 years have both been just getting their fair share of top 10 recruits every year.

[magnumt]

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That's 90s Knicks right there!

--Mags

[InTheNBADraft]

...And also, there are things that college has over Euroleagues, college has a more specific goal of developing them for the NBA than Euro does, fwiw.

NCAA teams have the specific goal of winning NCAA games. They care very little about developing players for the NBA. Even (and perhaps especially) with players who are clear one and done NBA prospects.

If you only have a guy for a year, you don't have time to develop skills (especially current weaknesses) to prepare a player for the next level. You are going to try to take advantage of a guy's strengths and win as many games as possible. Do you think Mike Krzyzewski spent a lot of time developing Marvin Bagley's right hand, three point shot, and man defense?

I'd still put John Calipari in this category, even though some of his players have been better in the NBA than in college. I think he has such a pipeline of top recruits coming in that he has trouble defining roles and deciding who to feature. So you get KAT and Booker averaging 20 minutes and 10 points apiece. That wasn't to help them develop into good NBA players; it was politics of accommodating a logjam of top recruits. Calipari recruits a lot of NBA players; he doesn't develop them.

I said they have MORE of a specific goal than European leagues do, I didn't say that was their primary goal per se. A lot of the top recruits are looking to be drafted eventually, so that's part of the appeal going to a particular school, I.E. if they have a good record of getting players drafted and having success in the NBA.

[TheNewEra]

Knicks suck BTW. I really wanted Clippers to grab SGA+Knox but Knicks grabbed Knox way earlier than he was supposed to go lol.

That bench unit would of been nasty early season. Gilgeous-Alexander/Williams/Knox/Scott/Harrell. Gallonari likely gets hurt and Knox takes over permanently.

[dorkestra]

If this Zhaire Smith injury is serious, its time to call the Ghostbusters in Philly.

[chrisab123]

Zhaire is probably out for the season. Keeping the tradition of redshirting rookies intact

[JAYZGOAT]

Zhaire is probably out for the season. Keeping the tradition of redshirting rookies intact

Really seems to be working for them. And if the tradition holds true, Fultz is in for a big season

[Oscirus]

Knicks suck BTW. I really wanted Clippers to grab SGA+Knox but Knicks grabbed Knox way earlier than he was supposed to go lol.

To be fair even if we drafted as predicted, I doubt that Knox would've gotten past Philly.

[Curmudgeon]

Ayton probably wins ROY as a favor to the Suns, whether or not it is deserved. Certainly he will get big minutes. But my sleeper pick is Gilgeous-Alexander. If he's good enough for Jerry West he's good enough for me.

My not-so-sleeper picks are Doncic or Jaren Jackson.

[magnumt]

Knicks suck BTW. I really wanted Clippers to grab SGA+Knox but Knicks grabbed Knox way earlier than he was supposed to go lol.

To be fair even if we drafted as predicted, I doubt that Knox would've gotten past Philly.

Or Charlotte IMO.

--Mags

[HotelVitale]

Ayton probably wins ROY as a favor to the Suns, whether or not it is deserved..

Wait, why are NBA beat writers trying to do a whatever franchise with a bad owner a favor?

[Curmudgeon]

It's still a popularity contest that tends to reward downtrodden franchises forced to give their rookies big minutes. So MCW was the 2014 ROY. Oladipo finished a distant second. Really?

[CoreyGallagher]

It's still a popularity contest that tends to reward downtrodden franchises forced to give their rookies big minutes. So MCW was the 2014 ROY. Oladipo finished a distant second. Really?

MCW had better metrics as well as raw stats. I don't really see much of an argument for anybody but him, was just a **** year for rookies and MCW had an adequate season by rookie standard.

http://bkref.com/tiny/MiS9K
(Same ratings, same WS, same WS/48, but MCW had better BPM, VORP, and PER)

[basketballRob]

Bamba not giving up anything easy.

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[UcanUwill]

Celtics, Lakers, and Jazz fans are obsessed with Simmons for some reason.

how do you win ROY without being able to shoot inside the arc or free throws? nba, where amazing happens

Maybe if you watched the games you would find out how he impacts the game An ignorant fan like yourself may benefit from doing so.

but, but... its so easy to guard non shooters in 2k games...

[magnumt]

The next person to discuss non 2018 ROY candidates will be automatically suspended.

I gave out the warning in the prior page as a courtesy not a necessity. Don't continue to derail this Thread with prior year's sour grapes.

This Thread is ONLY for the 2018 or eligible ROY candidates.

Thanks!

--Mags

[SOUL]

The next person to discuss non 2018 ROY candidates will be automatically suspended.

I gave out the warning in the prior page as a courtesy not a necessity. Don't continue to derail this Thread with prior year's sour grapes.

This Thread is ONLY for the 2018 or eligible ROY candidates.

Thanks!

--Mags

Trier sucks

Now you can't say anything about Isaac or you'll have to suspend yourself

[magnumt]

The next person to discuss non 2018 ROY candidates will be automatically suspended.

I gave out the warning in the prior page as a courtesy not a necessity. Don't continue to derail this Thread with prior year's sour grapes.

This Thread is ONLY for the 2018 or eligible ROY candidates.

Thanks!

--Mags

Trier sucks

Now you can't say anything about Isaac or you'll have to suspend yourself

True. Because I'm big fan of Mamba. Well player my man.

Speaking of Trier, he did well in SL for an unDrafted (been a big fan of his for 2 years now):

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He really has that Lou Williams, 6th man feel, and hopefully we can develop him into that (or more). With CLee & possibly THJr likely gone in the coming years, he'll have the opportunity.

--Mags