What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky?

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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#21 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:27 pm

Kentucky has always landed star recruits through.. legally questionable means.

As someone mentioned UK basketball is currently being investigated by the FBI for illegal recruiting practices (players like Kevin Knox, Bam Adebayo have been named in the reports) and at the moment it's going to be a no-fly zone until things clear up.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#22 » by Triples333 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:11 pm

They're still at the very top of the NCAA and favorites to be in the Final 4, so, not much.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#23 » by LibertyPrime » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:15 pm

DeathLineup wrote:
LibertyPrime wrote:Frank Kaminsky.

Yes, I know what the question is, but dammit..... Frank Kaminsky.

Dude, you good?


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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#24 » by Cavsfansince84 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:19 pm

I think his lack of results in the tourney sort of caught up to him while recruits are more aware of the influence coach K has among pros and stuff like that. I also agree that coach K is prob going harder after these guys than he used to.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#25 » by DeathLineup » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:27 pm

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DeathLineup wrote:What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? They used to be the recruiting powerhouse. They used to have all the nation top recruits. Now they basically have nothing. Duke led by Coach K is the new recruiting powerhouse.

2009
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: John Wall (#1), DeMarcus Cousins (#2)
2010
    Duke: Kyrie Irving (#4)
    Kentucky: Enes Kanter (#3), Brandon Knight (#6)
2011
    Duke: Austin Rivers (#1)
    Kentucky: Anthony Davis (#2), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (#3), Marquis Teague (#5)
2012
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: Nerlens Noel (#2), Alex Poythress (#8)
2013
    Duke: Jabari Parker (#4)
    Kentucky: Julius Randle (#2), Andrew Harrison (#5), Aaron Harrison (#7), Dakari Johnson (#9)
2014
    Duke: Jahlil Okafor (#1), Tyus Jones (#7)
    Kentucky: Karl-Anthony Towns (#4)
2015
    Duke: Brandon Ingram (#4)
    Kentucky: Skal Labissiere (#1), Jamal Murray (#9), Isaiah Briscoe (#10)
2016
    Duke: Harry Giles (#2), Jayson Tatum (#3)
    Kentucky: De'Aaron Fox (#6), Bam Adebayo (#7), Malik Monk (#9)
2017
    Duke: Marvin Bagley III (#2), Trevon Duval (#5), Wendell Carter (#7)
    Kentucky: Kevin Knox (#10)
2018
    Duke: R.J. Barrett (#1), Zion Williamson (#2), Cam Reddish (#3)
    Kentucky: No top 10 recruits

Wasn’t Drummond ranked #1 coming in that year?

Not based on Rivals.

You can check it out here -> https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2011
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#26 » by Hook_Em » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:28 pm

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DeathLineup wrote:What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? They used to be the recruiting powerhouse. They used to have all the nation top recruits. Now they basically have nothing. Duke led by Coach K is the new recruiting powerhouse.

2018
    Duke: R.J. Barrett (#1), Zion Williamson (#2), Cam Reddish (#3)
    Kentucky: No top 10 recruits
2017
    Duke: Marvin Bagley III (#2), Trevon Duval (#5), Wendell Carter (#7)
    Kentucky: Kevin Knox (#10)
2016
    Duke: Harry Giles (#2), Jayson Tatum (#3)
    Kentucky: De'Aaron Fox (#6), Bam Adebayo (#7), Malik Monk (#9)


Yet Duke has nothing to show for those recruiting titles. You need experienced players along with one and dones.

2014:
Jahlil Okafor (#1)
Tyus Jones (#8)
Justise Winslow (#13)
Grayson Allen (#26)

National championship in their first year.


The quote I replied to was 16-18’ before OP edited. The last two years Duke missed the F4 with the #1 class. That Duke team that won it all had two experienced started in Cook and Jefferson. You need some vets.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#27 » by mg » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:47 pm

DeathLineup wrote:
76ciology wrote:Lie low because of the investigation. They’ll be back

Damn. This might be the real reason of Kentucky's fall.

Cal is a smart, smart man.


This is true. Kentucky has gone out of their way recently to recruit a few that are actually good students that will likely stay with the program all 4 years.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#28 » by The_Hater » Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:20 pm

DeathLineup wrote:What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? They used to be the recruiting powerhouse. They used to have all the nation top recruits. Now they basically have nothing. Duke led by Coach K is the new recruiting powerhouse.

2009
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: John Wall (#1), DeMarcus Cousins (#2)
2010
    Duke: Kyrie Irving (#4)
    Kentucky: Enes Kanter (#3), Brandon Knight (#6)
2011
    Duke: Austin Rivers (#1)
    Kentucky: Anthony Davis (#2), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (#3), Marquis Teague (#5)
2012
    Duke: No top 10 recruits
    Kentucky: Nerlens Noel (#2), Alex Poythress (#8)
2013
    Duke: Jabari Parker (#4)
    Kentucky: Julius Randle (#2), Andrew Harrison (#5), Aaron Harrison (#7), Dakari Johnson (#9)
2014
    Duke: Jahlil Okafor (#1), Tyus Jones (#7)
    Kentucky: Karl-Anthony Towns (#4)
2015
    Duke: Brandon Ingram (#4)
    Kentucky: Skal Labissiere (#1), Jamal Murray (#9), Isaiah Briscoe (#10)
2016
    Duke: Harry Giles (#2), Jayson Tatum (#3)
    Kentucky: De'Aaron Fox (#6), Bam Adebayo (#7), Malik Monk (#9)
2017
    Duke: Marvin Bagley III (#2), Trevon Duval (#5), Wendell Carter (#7)
    Kentucky: Kevin Knox (#10)
2018
    Duke: R.J. Barrett (#1), Zion Williamson (#2), Cam Reddish (#3)
    Kentucky: No top 10 recruits


Nothing lasts for ever, these things usually goes in cycles. But I wouldn't count Cal out yet, they could have the best recruiting cast once again 12 months from now.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#29 » by Karate Diop » Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:31 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:Kentucky has always landed star recruits through.. legally questionable means.

As someone mentioned UK basketball is currently being investigated by the FBI for illegal recruiting practices (players like Kevin Knox, Bam Adebayo have been named in the reports) and at the moment it's going to be a no-fly zone until things clear up.


That's virtually how all large basketball programs operate.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#30 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:16 pm

Karate Diop wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Kentucky has always landed star recruits through.. legally questionable means.

As someone mentioned UK basketball is currently being investigated by the FBI for illegal recruiting practices (players like Kevin Knox, Bam Adebayo have been named in the reports) and at the moment it's going to be a no-fly zone until things clear up.


That's virtually how all large basketball programs operate.

Of course. But usually when a program is under federal investigation it’s smart to lay low for a while until things clear up. Then it’s back to business as usual.

This isn’t Calipari’s first time on the rodeo lol, he knows how this works. He’ll be back landing top recruits in no time.
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Re: What went wrong for Cal and Kentucky? 

Post#31 » by Deathray » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:53 am

Losing asst coach Orlando Antigua in 2014 didn't help. He was gold for Cal as a recruiter.

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