Political Roundtable Part XXI

[nate33]

"Claiming a person can't do their job because of race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment," the House speaker said during a Tuesday news conference.

I wonder which Liberal snowflake said this?







Oh that's right Paul Ryan

When did Trump claim that a person can't do their job because of race?

[stilldropin20]

i am sick and tired of obama appologists giving him credit for getting us back to where we already were. just look at black UE over the last 20 years.

historically we can see black UE rates under 7.5% from 1998-2001. and again in 2007 and still under 9% before obama took office.

then during the obama administration that rates immediately sky rocketed to 17% and stayed over 8% for nearly the entire Obama administration. dipping to 8% in his last month in office. 8 effin years later!!!!!! he finally gets back to the 8% UE rates for blacks that we had right before obama took office!!!!!! we were lower in 1999!!! as low in 2007!!!!

facts matter!!! context matters!!!

trump inherited a 7.5% UE for blacks and has put even more black people to work!!! historic lows!!! 6% . hardly the handy work of a racist!!!!!!!! policy matters!! jobs matter!!! the economy matters!!! real opportunity matters!!!

now look at wages...finally trending upward under trump after being stagnant for 2 decades!!!

[Wizardspride]

"Claiming a person can't do their job because of race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment," the House speaker said during a Tuesday news conference.

I wonder which Liberal snowflake said this?







Oh that's right Paul Ryan

When did Trump claim that a person can't do their job because of race?

I assume he's referring to Judge Curiel?

[TGW]

Continue to post this every time the moron SD20 talks about Trump creating jobs for African Americans.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4388548/sarah-sanders-donald-trump-created-jobs-african-americans-obama/amp/

First the lie

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on Twitter late Tuesday that she had been wrong earlier that day when she told reporters that Obama created only 195,000 jobs for African-Americans during his tenure compared with Trump’s 700,000 new jobs in just two years.

Then the truth

The U.S. economy actually added about 3 million jobs for black workers during Obama’s tenure, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

I hate this false narrative that the President controls jobs. He doesn't, but our news media does a terrible job of of explaining it to the American people. I guess Stormy Daniels is more important.

[stilldropin20]

now look at incarceration rates.

hmmmm.....1980 massive uptick. let's see...heroin and crack introduced into our inner cities. drug trade begins. combined with weak borders. and massive uptick in immigration both legal and illegal.

wages are virtually stagnant from the late 1990's-2016.

and incarcerations rates sky rocket!! hmmmm . you'll never guess which group got targeted the most to be incarcerated. families broken up. moms raising children on their own. leading to unsupervised children. leading to more drug use, drug dealing and eventually all of the shootings we now see in our inner cities.

and you can point to weak borders allowing drug in our country and immigration policy over saturating the unskilled labor market leading to disproportionate UE levels for blacks which decreases black opportunity and lead to more and more problems.

Trump is directly addressing all of these issues. and blacks feel it and are responding. 36% approval rating!!!!!

[nate33]

I wonder which Liberal snowflake said this?







Oh that's right Paul Ryan

When did Trump claim that a person can't do their job because of race?

I assume he's referring to Judge Curiel?

Oh. I thought we were talking about Omarosa, Maxine Waters, and various other political figures he has criticized who happened to be black.

Trump was wrong in his comments about Judge Curiel. Curiel may have been biased, but it's absolutely not true that all Hispanics are biased against Trump because of his immigration stance. Indeed, Trump did better among Hispanics than Romney and McCain did. There are lots of Hispanics who immigrated here legally and are just as upset about the illegal immigration problems as white Americans are.

[pancakes3]

I wonder which Liberal snowflake said this?

Oh that's right Paul Ryan

When did Trump claim that a person can't do their job because of race?

I assume he's referring to Judge Curiel?

yep: https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-trump-racist-curiel-judge-2016-6

and you know something's up when there's a wikipedia article about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

i am sick and tired of obama appologists giving him credit for getting us back to where we already were. just look at black UE over the last 20 years.

historically we can see black UE rates under 7.5% from 1998-2001. and again in 2007 and still under 9% before obama took office.

then during the obama administration that rates immediately sky rocketed to 17% and stayed over 8% for nearly the entire Obama administration. dipping to 8% in his last month in office. 8 effin years later!!!!!! he finally gets back to the 8% UE rates for blacks that we had right before obama took office!!!!!! we were lower in 1999!!! as low in 2007!!!!

facts matter!!! context matters!!!

trump inherited a 7.5% UE for blacks and has put even more black people to work!!! historic lows!!! 6% . hardly the handy work of a racist!!!!!!!! policy matters!! jobs matter!!! the economy matters!!! real opportunity matters!!!

now look at wages...finally trending upward under trump after being stagnant for 2 decades!!!

you've made a boatload of absolutely ignorant comments in the last few pages re: monetary policy and fiscal policy but this most recent one makes it look like you don't remember what happened during the great recession.

in fact, it reads as you saying that that obama implemented racist economic policies specifically promoting african american unemployment - at least to the extent that trump is implementing economic policies specifically to promote AA employment.

[stilldropin20]

When did Trump claim that a person can't do their job because of race?

I assume he's referring to Judge Curiel?

Oh. I thought we were talking about Omarosa, Maxine Waters, and various other political figures he has criticized who happened to be black.

Trump was wrong in his comments about Judge Curiel. Curiel may have been biased, but it's absolutely not true that all Hispanics are biased against Trump because of his immigration stance. Indeed, Trump did better among Hispanics than Romney and McCain did. There are lots of Hispanics who immigrated here legally and are just as upset about the illegal immigration problems as white Americans are.

as someone who is part hispanic, let me assure the entire board that many hispanics hate trump simply due to immigration policy. Because they just want more hispanics here so as to have more political power. It was difficult to "come out" to part of my family as a trump supporter not because i'm afraid but because they dont even follow the news or know the issues. When you make them talk about it they dont really care either. They just see a 10 second sound bite, "they're rapists" and assume trump is a racists. its disgusting actually. but the Bias is real. if i was trump i would not want a hispanic judge either. just like if i was black i would not want a souther judge nor jury of old white people from alabama.

I think we should only be judged by our peers. black men should have a black judge and jury. same for whites. same for hispanics, asian, etc. we should remove as much of the bias as possible. and if a white judge and jury brings the hammer? you know it was justified. my two cents

[stilldropin20]

When did Trump claim that a person can't do their job because of race?

I assume he's referring to Judge Curiel?

yep: https://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-trump-racist-curiel-judge-2016-6

and you know something's up when there's a wikipedia article about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

i am sick and tired of obama appologists giving him credit for getting us back to where we already were. just look at black UE over the last 20 years.

historically we can see black UE rates under 7.5% from 1998-2001. and again in 2007 and still under 9% before obama took office.

then during the obama administration that rates immediately sky rocketed to 17% and stayed over 8% for nearly the entire Obama administration. dipping to 8% in his last month in office. 8 effin years later!!!!!! he finally gets back to the 8% UE rates for blacks that we had right before obama took office!!!!!! we were lower in 1999!!! as low in 2007!!!!

facts matter!!! context matters!!!

trump inherited a 7.5% UE for blacks and has put even more black people to work!!! historic lows!!! 6% . hardly the handy work of a racist!!!!!!!! policy matters!! jobs matter!!! the economy matters!!! real opportunity matters!!!

now look at wages...finally trending upward under trump after being stagnant for 2 decades!!!

you've made a boatload of absolutely ignorant comments in the last few pages re: monetary policy and fiscal policy but this most recent one makes it look like you don't remember what happened during the great recession.

in fact, it reads as you saying that that obama implemented racist economic policies specifically promoting african american unemployment - at least to the extent that trump is implementing economic policies specifically to promote AA employment.

wrong,

what i am saying is that obama was NOT ready for the presidency he inherited. And he was a sitting US senator for 4 years prior to running for president. So he knew what was going on. Bush2 brought both Mccain and Obama into the briefing for the entirety of the end of 2008 so as to prepare both for the banking crisis.

He acted "all-knowing" but knew little to nothing as to how to guide us out of the banking crisis which turned into a massive recession not seen since the likes of 1930's.

at the end of the day....Both Bush and Obama listened to the wall street bankers and the federal reserve board as to which banks to save and which to bail out. same with companies. Bush2 waiting until after Nov 8th to make final decisions on both so as to bring the winner of the election in on the decision making...Bush stepped aside and allowed Obama and Obama's team to make most/all of those decisions. Bush supported obama and stepped aside. you never heard from him again...until trump ran.

massive mistakes were made at the end of 2008 and early in 2009 to save and prop up many companies and banks instead of letting it all crumble. Most of it had already crumbled. Why not allow it all to fully collapse and go ground zero?

because we could have wiped out our debt completely if we allowed the federal reserve to collapse. instead obama doubled down after that bad debt sending good money after bad.

instead of wall street suffering. main street suffered. instead of every day americans keeping their homes, the banks foreclosed on 10 million homes and counting. why? obama could have allowed the unhealthy and insolvent companies like AIG to crumble and the banks that financed AIG to crumble behind them. as the bank crumbled, the american people could have kept their homes free and clear of debt. Or the US governement could have bought that debt and on the american people's homes and eased the pain and burden of interest. Instead Obama took an 80% equity position in AIG and injected it with $85 billion. over $800 billion in total bail outs to wall street!!!! While mom and pop lost their homes!!!! Why!!!!??

terrible effin policy!! that's why!!! we would have been better off at ground zero and a complete collapse of the federal reserve. erased all debt that they held, or bought it at a massive discount as the bank liquidated. and offered the american people a huge discount on their debt. erased our own debt in the process. why not do that? why bail out wall street instead of main street? made no sense. the banks should have been liquidated by the US government in 2009. seized everything. and redistributed it all back to the american people over time. we could have temporarily nationalized the entire banking system with the stroke of the pen. and created new banks slowly over time as it stabilized.

For comparison's sake, Putin paid off the european rothschild controlled central banks and then nationalized russia's central banks in 2016. its not unheard of. and the only reason Putin's economy is suffering now is US sanctions. Russia has NO debt to foreign central banks!!!

[pancakes3]

for someone who deals in real estate, you have a weird problem with the concept of carrying debt.

[stilldropin20]

^^^^Trump on the other hand was not only ready for his presidency. he has the backbone to make tough politically difficult decsions. back bone to take on massive lobbies, massive business, even taking on "allies" and enemies alike. Everyone. trump came into office swinging.

we need more presidents like trump. Unafraid of the banks, unafraid of the lobbies, unafraid, of the deep state, unafraid of political enemies. a president that wants to work for the american people to better our interests.

And trump is doing all of that. that's why his base is historically supportive and unwavering. Thats why more and more black and brown people are supporting trump. Everyone is slowly waking up and seeing what it means to have a President that puts the everyday american first!! small business first!!!

Trump's policies work!!! Trump was ready for the damn job!!! Being ready matters!! understanding big business matters!! understanding small business matters!! understanding the media matters!! doing what is right in the face of strong opposition matters!!!

[stilldropin20]

for someone who deals in real estate, you have a weird problem with the concept of carrying debt.

I'm tossing out quick generalities but....do you want to have a conversation on real estate and carrying debt? Bring it!!

or the federal reserve and our nations debt? bring it!!! thats' the only reason i started posting here. glad to educate.

let's start here...what you think you know, is wrong. What you need to learn and understand is that "wealth" is the real divide amongst the "haves and have nots" and fractional reserve lending is the ultimate devil behind inequities of wealth accumulation. "Race" is a weapon meant to distract from these truths. I more than happy to defend that position.

[pancakes3]

i really don't want to have a conversation with you, especially since you recently brought up the notion of trump cutting a check to eliminate the debt.

it's just fascinating to watch you stump for trump.

i mean, you're right in that his base is historically supportive and unwavering, and more people - including minorities - are normalizing trump thanks to the economy. everything else though - it's just scary how much we can convince ourselves of.

[Ruzious]

I think we should only be judged by our peers. black men should have a black judge and jury. same for whites. same for hispanics, asian, etc. we should remove as much of the bias as possible. and if a white judge and jury brings the hammer? you know it was justified. my two cents

I don't think you understand what bias means.

[JWizmentality]

I think we should only be judged by our peers. black men should have a black judge and jury. same for whites. same for hispanics, asian, etc. we should remove as much of the bias as possible. and if a white judge and jury brings the hammer? you know it was justified. my two cents

I don't think you understand what bias means.

OMG I'm dying

[verbal8]

i really don't want to have a conversation with you, especially since you recently brought up the notion of trump cutting a check to eliminate the debt.

Hmm I wonder where Trump might have gotten the cash to eliminate debt?

it's just fascinating to watch you stump for trump.

i mean, you're right in that his base is historically supportive and unwavering, and more people - including minorities - are normalizing trump thanks to the economy. everything else though - it's just scary how much we can convince ourselves of.

I know racial resentment is a big factor keeping Trump's level of support from eroding further.

I think there also is a significant factor that the economy is relatively good, so some people think "whatever Trump is doing is working", so they to some degree blindly approve. There really is no excuse for politicians who are in this group, but it is somewhat understandable for an average person who doesn't care much about politics. It might be why a lot of times congressional leaders claim not to know when the president has said/tweeted something. There is a significant portion of the electorate that isn't very engaged.

[verbal8]

I think we should only be judged by our peers. black men should have a black judge and jury. same for whites. same for hispanics, asian, etc. we should remove as much of the bias as possible. and if a white judge and jury brings the hammer? you know it was justified. my two cents

I don't think you understand what bias means.

Not even Kavanaugh would support Plessy v. Ferguson.

[Kanyewest]

Trump wants Omarosa arrested.
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/150721/trump-wants-omarosa-arrested

[pancakes3]

Targeting members of the government (revoking security clearances and calling for firings) and private citizens are literally fascist tactics.

Again, disregarding his "policies" Trump can theoretically accomplish all of his without engaging in any of these histrionics. I don't get why his base tolerates any of this.

[Ruzious]

Trump wants Omarosa arrested.
https://newrepublic.com/minutes/150721/trump-wants-omarosa-arrested

Trump doesn't just want to be a dictator; he truly believes he should be a dictator.