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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
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9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
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34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#61 » by kg01 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:21 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:UNC hasn't had a top-5 draft prospect play for them in years.


But they have 5-stars every year so ... my point stands (since that's the level we're talking about).


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'Little Nas' is gonna get featured in a way any of the 'Blue Devil Big-3' likely will not.


Seems like he wanted to be the man on his college team...as opposed to joining a super team filled with NBA talent.

That appeals to me.


Untrue. I like him but this is categorically false. You're looking at the results and trying to affix your narrative.

I'm basing my opinions on statements made by his father during the recruitment. You'll have to just trust me on this (for once). He didn't go to UNC to avoid 'teaming up'.

And there was a pretty strong rumor that you were ded. We had a funeral, emphasis on 'fun'. I won't say who started the rumor. :)
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Post#62 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:51 pm

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kg01 wrote:LOL (hard) at the idea that Little avoided playing with other star players by choosing to go to UNC of all places.



Duke4life831 wrote:Duke started recruiting Little very late (no one thought he was going to Duke) and by the time Little committed to UNC only Cam had committed to Duke. RJ committed a month later and many didn't think RJ was a lock and almost no one expected Zion at Duke at that time.



What makes you think I was referring to RJ, Cam and Zion? :)

UNC hasn't had a top-5 draft prospect play for them in years.

It should be a great opportunity for Nassir to be the featured player on a competitive team. I wouldn't be surprised by a Carmelo--Syracuse type run next college season.


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Five-star prospect Nassir Little committed to North Carolina on Wednesday.

Little, a 6-foot-6 small forward, chose the Tar Heels over Georgia Tech, Duke, Arizona and Miami.

Arizona and Miami were considered the favorites for most of the past couple months, but both schools were mentioned in an FBI investigation last week.

Shortly after the news broke, Little said he removed Arizona and Miami from consideration.


True Javin Delaurier, Marques Bolden and Alex O'Connell is a star studded bunch. Cant blame another star for not wanting to team up with those power houses haha.

Again this is not me trying to hate on Little or anything like that, I like him a lot. Im just not seeing this "wanting to not team up with other stars" narrative. Again especially when he signed in October of last year, well before a ton of the other star recruits even decided. I just think the dude really liked UNC.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#63 » by socialsavant » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:01 am

Zion Williamson looks amazing right now. 21 points in the first half and 3/4 from 3. He obviously has the godlike athleticism, but he's showing off a corner 3 right now (they haven't closed out on him so they don't respect it yet). If he's gonna make corner 3's and dazzling dunks while playing A+ defense then he'll be an all star Kawhi Leonard type player. His athleticism allows him to push the break which he has done very well when given the opportunity. Also his drives to the basket are crisp. He's catching the ball in the corner and if he has a driving lane he's taking it and either getting an open layup or making a crisp pass to the open man. He's missed a couple of layups, they're the type that only he could make because he just jumps so high, but he missed them. He will be must see tv this season.

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Post#64 » by PhilBlackson » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:28 am

Personally I think Nasty Nas (Little) is going to be the best player out this draft as of now BUT I think IF it's an option I believe your GM and owner will elect to draft Zion because he's such a huge draw.

The poster above comparing him to Kawhi is hilarious lol and no disrespect but clearly just seen some block highlights but his actual defensive instincts aren't on par (not that's a knock because short of Pippen there really isn't many historically that do). If there is a good defensive player it will be Nas or Sekou, quote me on that. But again I think if he's there I can't see your ownership passing on the marketability of Tre & Zion (if Tre can turn it around). As an early guess with the DAL pick I think the target will be Langford but so much can change between now and next year's draft.
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Post#65 » by atlantabbq99 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:45 am

I'm not a fan of Zion and I'm not going to overhype the Duke freshmen who went up against basically a D3 team, but if Zion can finish the year shooting 35% from three and 80% from the free throw line, then I will change my opinion on him. I still have him some where between Anthony Bennett and Larry Johnson.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#66 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:55 pm

I am also not a fan of young Zion...but holey shirts and pants this kid can jump!!!!

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Post#67 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:32 pm

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Canadian superstar R.J. Barrett left his countrymen with fresh memories of his talents Friday night. The 18-year-old Duke freshman scored 35 points, showing improved offensive efficiency, as the Blue Devils routed the University of Toronto 96-60 at the Paramount Fine Foods Centre in Mississauga, Ontario, outside Toronto.

On Friday night, the versatile 6-7 forward produced his team-leading point total by making 15 of 26 shots. That included making 3 of 8 3-pointers and also adding nine rebounds, three assists and a blocked shot.
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Post#68 » by atlantabbq99 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:41 pm

Barrett reminds me of Justice Winslow, both in his dominate physical presence, shooting, and freshmen hype.
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Post#69 » by atlantabbq99 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:10 pm

I'm a Zion hater, but after the 3 game Canada tour, i'm kind of coming around. I'm still not buying the over hype on Zion just because of the youtube dunks, but his body control has been impressive. I still consider him a weak prospect in a weak draft but he could be worth the pick for the Hawks if nobody better is left on the board.

RJ Barrett on the other hand, came in as #1 prospect of the draft, but after watching the 3 Canada games, I wouldn't waste a lottery pick on the guy, his jump shot and shooting looks so bad, he is Evan Turner or Justice Winslow bust level.
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Post#70 » by macd-gm » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:24 pm

I've seen exactly one Zion game but count me in. Reminds me of young Shawn Kemp plus about 50 pounds.
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Post#71 » by atlantabbq99 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:16 pm

macd-gm wrote:I've seen exactly one Zion game but count me in. Reminds me of young Shawn Kemp plus about 50 pounds.


Zion is hyper athletic, who is short for his position, but with alot of body mass, and shows flashes of defensive potential , would a PF version of Dwight be a good comparison?

We really need to see how his 3pt shooting and free throw shooting stands up through the course of the season.

Hopefully I'm wrong and his skills shine through and he can be a stronger version of Millsap.
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Post#72 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:38 pm

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Is R.J. Barrett the Greatest Canadian Basketball Prospect Ever?

Steve Nash’s godson almost single-handedly handed Team USA its first loss in international competition in six years. He’s the real deal, and he’s only entering his junior year of high school

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R.J. Barrett shook up the basketball world last weekend. The 17-year-old prodigy led Canada to its first gold medal in basketball in the FIBA U19 World Championship, and he was named MVP of the tournament despite being two years younger than most of the other players in Cairo. Barrett’s shining moment came in the semifinals against the United States, when he had 38 points on 12-of-24 shooting, 13 rebounds, and five assists, giving Team USA its first defeat in international competition in six years.

He won’t be eligible for the NBA draft until at least 2019, but he already looks like one of the best prospects in the world, regardless of age.

R.J.’s star has been rising over the past year: He dominated the Basketball Without Borders international camp at All-Star Weekend this season, and he shined at the Nike Hoop Summit in April. Like most elite Canadian players, Barrett attends high school in the U.S., playing at the same school in Florida (Montverde Academy) that produced Joel Embiid, Ben Simmons, and D’Angelo Russell.

Like James Harden and Manu Ginobili, Barrett is a left-hander who plays at his own pace and uses his ability to change speeds and score from awkward angles to keep the defense off balance.

The biggest hole in his game right now is his 3-point shot, which is fairly common for elite wings his age.

Even without a great jumper, though, Barrett should be able to thrive at the NBA level. Playing as a lead ball handler means he wouldn’t spend as much time spotting up, and he’s agile and savvy enough to take advantage of the space created when defenders sag off him. As he gets older and adds weight to his frame, he will have the physical tools to match up with all three perimeter positions, making it easy to put shooters around him who can space the floor. His rebounding ability means he might eventually be able to play some as a small-ball power forward.
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Post#73 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:44 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Barrett reminds me of Justice Winslow, both in his dominate physical presence, shooting, and freshmen hype.

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Post#74 » by socialsavant » Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:12 pm

Zion looking like the best player in this class right now. It's clear to me now that people that don't like him just don't get basketball. The things he can do on the court, 99% of other ball players just can't do. He's showcased above average passing ability and IQ in the three Canadian games he's played (passing and IQ are easily translatable to the pros) and if he can prove to be a decent free throw shooter, he should be the #1 overall pick. His efficiency is incredibile. His finishing ability (not just dunks) is elite already, he has the potential to be an elite rebounder regardless the position (think Barkley or Rodman), and he can set up his teammates for easy plays because the defense is looking at him so much. To the poster that tried to discredit my Kawhi comp, just know that I'm looking at these guys at where they were at the same age. He can be that type of defender because he's so athletic. Kawhi is the only player in the world that can guard Lebron because of his strength, length, and lateral quickness. Zion possesses all of these traits. I know the trend these days is to try and discredit players who generate a lot of hype (see Trae Young and Lonzo Ball) and herald lesser known guys but I don't care about trends. I make observations and that's what I talk about. Everyone that I talk to that's seen this kid play agrees, he's a generational type of talent. RJ Barrett is much more skilled than him (partly because he's had the advantage of working with some amazing trainers and coaches) but Zion can leave his mark on the game with or without the ball. Zion's presence is felt as soon as he steps onto the court. I thought he could only play well in transition. I couldn't have been more wrong. In the half court he's a monster, fake passes, pump fakes, in-out dribble, hanging in the air for a layup, misses (rarely but it happens), second jump, throw down. He will absolutely dominate the college ranks. He's also not a big, he's a WING!!!! Tank for Zion!
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Post#75 » by atlantabbq99 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:27 am

The 2019 draft is going to be weak but i'm really starting to become a fan of Tyus Battle. Right now he is projected to be a late first round pick, but after watching some film, he looks like a lottery pick to me.


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Post#76 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:27 am

^Tyus does show some scoring chops. But his inefficient shooting, limited playmaking and poor defense couldn't even get him into the first round conversation last year.

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Battle shot only 45.2 percent from 2-point range and was 32.2 percent from beyond the arc (he took 6.5 3-point attempts per game). That lack of efficiency was probably his biggest hindrance in standing out for scouts and general managers not just during the season but in recent weeks at workouts.
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"The feedback he was getting was that he would be drafted, but not in the position where he wanted to be,'' Battle's father, Gary, said late Wednesday night just minutes after Battle submitted his paperwork to the NBA's office.

"It wasn't likely that he was going to be drafted in the first round,'' Gary Battle said. "We were hearing maybe first half of the second half, but there's nothing definite. He wanted to be drafted, but he wanted to be able to play.''
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Post#77 » by kg01 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:45 pm

socialsavant wrote:Zion looking like the best player in this class right now. It's clear to me now that people that don't like him just don't get basketball. The things he can do on the court, 99% of other ball players just can't do. He's showcased above average passing ability and IQ in the three Canadian games he's played (passing and IQ are easily translatable to the pros) and if he can prove to be a decent free throw shooter, he should be the #1 overall pick. His efficiency is incredibile. His finishing ability (not just dunks) is elite already, he has the potential to be an elite rebounder regardless the position (think Barkley or Rodman), and he can set up his teammates for easy plays because the defense is looking at him so much. To the poster that tried to discredit my Kawhi comp, just know that I'm looking at these guys at where they were at the same age. He can be that type of defender because he's so athletic. Kawhi is the only player in the world that can guard Lebron because of his strength, length, and lateral quickness. Zion possesses all of these traits. I know the trend these days is to try and discredit players who generate a lot of hype (see Trae Young and Lonzo Ball) and herald lesser known guys but I don't care about trends. I make observations and that's what I talk about. Everyone that I talk to that's seen this kid play agrees, he's a generational type of talent. RJ Barrett is much more skilled than him (partly because he's had the advantage of working with some amazing trainers and coaches) but Zion can leave his mark on the game with or without the ball. Zion's presence is felt as soon as he steps onto the court. I thought he could only play well in transition. I couldn't have been more wrong. In the half court he's a monster, fake passes, pump fakes, in-out dribble, hanging in the air for a layup, misses (rarely but it happens), second jump, throw down. He will absolutely dominate the college ranks. He's also not a big, he's a WING!!!! Tank for Zion!


This Zion stuff is completely out of control. Yes, he's a good prospect but suggesting he's shown all he needs to show at this point is simply untrue.

Comparing him to Kawhii defensively is insulting to Kawhii. What makes him great defensively has nothing to do with physical tools.

And one cannot be an "elite" finisher one-handed which is what Zion is right now. And he cannot be a "wing" until he improves both his shooting and ballhandling.

I say none of this to say what he "can't" be or that he's not someone we should draft at some point. I'm merely trying to offer some sensible counters to the kool-aid drinking going on with this kid.

And it's not simply en vogue to tear down guys who garner hype. It's simply a byproduct of over-exposure. The longer folks 'know about' a guy, the longer they have to break down their games. IOW, nobody's out to get Zion.

He is very much a work in progress - basketball-wise.
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Post#78 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:58 pm

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R.J. Barrett makes for an interesting, more traditional, perimeter-oriented wing prospect.

Barrett looks like he’s already in outstanding shape and has begun to pop even more as an athlete, getting downhill decisively and having his way around the basket more often than not. He’s an aggressive slasher with the ball, and quick and strong enough to defend both bigger and smaller opponents. Barrett is in the early mix but certainly not a lock to go first overall, as the top pack of players in a wing-heavy group (including Reddish, Williamson, Nassir Little and Sekou Doumbouya) have yet to separate themselves.

Skill diversity is an important showing point for Barrett this season, and he was functional playing point guard on this trip. He’ll make the appropriate dump-off passes and reads, but isn’t as instinctual a playmaker as Reddish or even Williamson and stands to slow the game down a touch at times. He’s already a mature player, and the decision-making component should improve.
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Post#79 » by akhan786 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:49 am

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kg01 wrote:LOL (hard) at the idea that Little avoided playing with other star players by choosing to go to UNC of all places.



Duke4life831 wrote:Duke started recruiting Little very late (no one thought he was going to Duke) and by the time Little committed to UNC only Cam had committed to Duke. RJ committed a month later and many didn't think RJ was a lock and almost no one expected Zion at Duke at that time.



What makes you think I was referring to RJ, Cam and Zion? :)

UNC hasn't had a top-5 draft prospect play for them in years.

It should be a great opportunity for Nassir to be the featured player on a competitive team. I wouldn't be surprised by a Carmelo--Syracuse type run next college season.


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Five-star prospect Nassir Little committed to North Carolina on Wednesday.

Little, a 6-foot-6 small forward, chose the Tar Heels over Georgia Tech, Duke, Arizona and Miami.

Arizona and Miami were considered the favorites for most of the past couple months, but both schools were mentioned in an FBI investigation last week.

Shortly after the news broke, Little said he removed Arizona and Miami from consideration.


True Javin Delaurier, Marques Bolden and Alex O'Connell is a star studded bunch. Cant blame another star for not wanting to team up with those power houses haha.

Again this is not me trying to hate on Little or anything like that, I like him a lot. Im just not seeing this "wanting to not team up with other stars" narrative. Again especially when he signed in October of last year, well before a ton of the other star recruits even decided. I just think the dude really liked UNC.


Interestingly enough, actually Nas was $igned $ealed and delivered to Arizona until the FBI report about adidas schools and Arizona “specifically” named him and therefore made it impossible for him to go there anymore.

It was almost necessary that he went to a Nike school after the report.
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Post#80 » by kg01 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:04 pm

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What makes you think I was referring to RJ, Cam and Zion? :)

UNC hasn't had a top-5 draft prospect play for them in years.

It should be a great opportunity for Nassir to be the featured player on a competitive team. I wouldn't be surprised by a Carmelo--Syracuse type run next college season.

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True Javin Delaurier, Marques Bolden and Alex O'Connell is a star studded bunch. Cant blame another star for not wanting to team up with those power houses haha.

Again this is not me trying to hate on Little or anything like that, I like him a lot. Im just not seeing this "wanting to not team up with other stars" narrative. Again especially when he signed in October of last year, well before a ton of the other star recruits even decided. I just think the dude really liked UNC.


Interestingly enough, atually Nas was $igned $ealed and delivered to Arizona until the FBI report about adidas schools and Arizona “specifically” named him and therefore made it impossible for him to go there anymore.

It was almost necessary that he went to a Nike school after the report.


True.

Also interesting is that he was all GT's until being '$igned, $ealed and delivered' to AZ ... allegedly.
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