Defense - Every position ranked by 5 years of DRPM data

[Da ThRONe]

Chris Paul is pretty easily the most complete point guard of all time. The Point God on offense and an elite defensive player through his entire career. I always scoff when people make excuses and say guys are too undersized to play good defense. Chris Paul. Nuff said.

Paul defense is terribly overrated.

[Da ThRONe]

One of the worse stats around.

[Rockazoids]

So how is it 5 yrs of data & Porzingis has only played 3 yrs so far?
7 Kristaps Porzingis 2.13

[hoosierdaddy34]

5 years of data is far too long of a time frame to go back. A player could have been a completely different player that long ago, so why should that data be impacting today? I’d go back 2 years at this most, that’s more than enough of a sample size

[perempe20]

can't believe Klay's -0.37

[Atmanne]

can't believe Klay's -0.37

I believe DRPM is influenced by steals, rebounds and blocks, and Klay doesn't get many of any of those.

[Pillendreher]

[OkcSinceSGA]

Hold on. Nobody is gonna comment on the hilarity of Jabari Parking ranking DEAD LAST at his position... shortly after talking about how "guys don't get paid for defense" and justifying his lack of effort.

[SweetTouch]

I always knew Kyle Korver was a lock down defender

Top 9 defensively in the last five years

You want a post season stop , I’ll take him over wade and Marion, because of this stat

[Atmanne]

Hold on. Nobody is gonna comment on the hilarity of Jabari Parking ranking DEAD LAST at his position... shortly after talking about how "guys don't get paid for defense" and justifying his lack of effort.

I was endlessly frustrated by the apologists in that thread. He's one of the worst defenders in the league and openly admits he doesn't take pride in defending and dudes are on some "show me the lie" ****? Get the entire **** out of here.

[Filthadelphia]

2 of the 5 best defensive point guards of the past 5 years have barely stood 6 foot tall (Paul and Lowry). Dont talk about undersized on D; its all about hustle, quickness and BBIQ.

A PG'S IMPACT ON TEAM DEFENSE IS MINIMAL. A center's impact on defense is paramount.
Its why Gobert is an impactful player despite being a zero on offense.

Curry's and Nash's of the world dont contribute heavily to defense anyway so as long as they dominate on offense they straight

[Scatocephalus]

Can I also point out that my Jazz have 4 out of 5 starters in the positive(one is a rookie and doesn't qualify) and 2 of the 5 are #1 and #2 at their position? And that Kanter was basically traded for Rubio?

All total they have 9 players with a positive rating. With Mitchell and O'neal having over a hundred games by year's end I expect even more Jazz players to have positive ratings. They were both positive on the alternate ESPN rankings that included rooks. Allen will likely be on this list as well. I am also hopeful after watching X's defense against Harden in the playoffs that he can achieve a positive rating staying relatively healthy for an entire season. That would give the Jazz 11-13 players with positive defense ratings.

[Uncle Dennis]

If Green recovers healthily our defence is going to be a treat to watch. Kawhi/Green/Lowry/OG

[mademan]

2 of the 5 best defensive point guards of the past 5 years have barely stood 6 foot tall (Paul and Lowry). Dont talk about undersized on D; its all about hustle, quickness and BBIQ.

A PG'S IMPACT ON TEAM DEFENSE IS MINIMAL. A center's impact on defense is paramount.
Its why Gobert is an impactful player despite being a zero on offense.

Curry's and Nash's of the world dont contribute heavily to defense anyway so as long as they dominate on offense they straight

GSW lost a title because of Curry's defense on Lebron/Kyrie. Ya, he shouldnt be expected to guard a guy like Lebron, but saying that a pg's defensive impact is minimal when we saw the Cavs win on the strategy of continuously picking on Curry is laughable. They did it again in 2017 and had a ridiculous offensive showing against the best defensive team in basketball that year and only lost because KD gave them an insane talent advantage

[Unbiased hater]

:o Raptors have three in the top 5: Leonard (1st), Green (2nd), Lowry (4th)

Five in the top 10: VanVleet (9th), Ibaka (10th)

Portland has Aminu and Nurkic in top 5

[Lukeem]

If Green recovers healthily our defence is going to be a treat to watch. Kawhi/Green/Lowry/OG

Sf #1. Plus OG not eligible but great
Sg#2. Plus back will be norm pretty good, or Delon #13 Sg would be #10 Sg
Pg # 4,9,13
Pf # 10 plus siakim - should be great not eligible
C.... #48. Makes a good case to make a trade for Tyson chandler / other defensive specialist

[Triples333]

Rudy Gobert is the best NBA defender since ORL's Dwight Howard.

Interesting conclusion considering Draymond rumps him here yet again.

[vxmike]

Both of the Bulls new $20m men are league worst at their position!!

[Unbiased hater]

Both of the Bulls new $20m men are league worst at their position!!

And Portis is third worst at his position

[Ballings7]

Funny everyone keeps gushing over Lowry, but doesn't mention Murray who's a fantastic, long, hybrid defender at PG.

Lowry isn't surprising because he came into the league as a scrapper, athletic role-playing PG who couldn't shoot. His calling card was hustling and defense, scoring on open paint points like at Villanova. See time with Memphis. He obviously worked hard and got to where he is offensively, so isn't the defender he maybe would of been, but when the time and focus is there, he's still a tough, impactful defender at guard. Sacrificing for offense happens.

Similar case was and is Paul Millsap.

So the interesting question is: how far would a team with

PG: Murray
SG: Roberson
SF: Leonard
PF: Green
C: Gobert

go?

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I would want to watch one game for the experiment.
- You could triple Kawhi in most situations.
- The opposing team would have no way to gain any matchup advantage. They'd have to force a tough shot on almost every possession - (just like this defensive team would due to lack of shooting)
- It wouldn't look like basketball as we've come to know it. It would be a wrestling match of taking tough shots.

"As we've come to know it"... I and many others know it to be different and more balanced than of the last 9-10 years.. a game in the 60s by the end of the third quarter can really be great, becuase that means each shot means more, each good shot a team may get means more, shots are tougher to come by, good passing lanes are tougher to come by, and each score is more dramatic... since generally the tone of the game is working to get good shots and keep a flow.

That's basketball. Creates intrigue and a story, and sense of the challenge for the teams or some players who are looked at to score.

Not throwing up easy shots all the time or threes or just getting calls more often than not for 1-2 players in the game. It gets repetitive when most of the games are like that.

Depending who the team would play, it would be a defensive battle most games and most likely they'd use team-ball as their offensive idenity while going to Kawhi when they need to run their offense in a dedicated manner.

People don't think about how these guys are still basketball players and know how to play as a team + good coaching to impose that -- moving the ball, taking good shots, using time on the clock.

"oh they're all known for defense so they'd automatically suck as a team offensively"

They'd develop a system of team-ball --- passing in the half-court, cutting, picking spots to score individually, hitting open jumpers. They'd be a very good fastbreak team in terms of rim-finishing. Kawhi and Draymond wouldn't be a bad tandem to have shooting on the wing.

With Popovich or Stevens or someone like that as coach, they'd be a top team in the conference because of their defense and team-offense.

Also, Murray will be a better shooter in another season or two (including upcoming). People don't consider this.