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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#441 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:07 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:Still interested in this game:

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:OK, so this is a twist I was close to proposing for the current game, but it could also work in a regular eight-round draft.

Basically the players would again be divided into tiers, but each tier would correspond to the highest level of accolade each player achieved over the course of their career. I'd rank them as follows:

1. MVP
2. All-NBA First Team
3. All-NBA Second Team
4. All-NBA Third Team
5. All-Star

The difference would be that you have to pick a season corresponding to each accolade. So if your player won an MVP, you have to use that season (or one of those seasons). If he made All-NBA First Team at an any time, you can't drop down to a Second Team year to save FGA. And so on down the line. You could pick any number of players from each tier, as well as players who never achieved any of those accolades and wouldn't be subject to any restrictions on the season chosen.

Just an example, using my team in the Batman/Robin game, I'd be forced to select:

- D-Rob's MVP season (1994-95)
- Pierce's All-NBA Second Team season (2008-09)
- Mason's All-NBA Third Team season (1996-97)

The whole idea is that if you pick Player X in the MVP tier for example, you also have to pay an MVP price. This obviously won't impact everyone, but suddenly the calculus changes for guys like D-Rob, Hakeem, and Barkley whose MVP seasons are usually avoided to save FGA, or someone like Iguodala who is often used as a bench player.


I would play, but it is pretty similar to a peak WS draft, since that correlates well to a players highest accolade year.

How about being forced to draft one of and pay that accolade's price for MVP, All-NBA 1st team, All-NBA 2nd team and All-NBA 3rd team/All-star, and the other four players must be non all-stars?

If 8on wants to run it I'd be down.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#442 » by 8on » Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:06 pm

any early favorites?

pre-occupied for a couple hours
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#443 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:47 pm

8on wrote:any early favorites?

pre-occupied for a couple hours

What about the one in the post above you?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#444 » by Laimbeer » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:35 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
8on wrote:any early favorites?

pre-occupied for a couple hours

What about the one in the post above you?


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1) It's less than the MLE
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4) The cap is going up
5) It's only __ years
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#445 » by 8on » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:50 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
8on wrote:any early favorites?

pre-occupied for a couple hours

What about the one in the post above you?


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Pre-occupied still. I have to read that long post and then edit the draft thread. Stand by.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#446 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:56 pm

8on wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:What about the one in the post above you?


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Pre-occupied still. I have to read that long post and then edit the draft thread. Stand by.


Make sure you take into account Laimbeer and I's responses

How about being forced to draft one of and pay that accolade's price for MVP, All-NBA 1st team, All-NBA 2nd team and All-NBA 3rd team/All-star, and the other four players must be non all-stars?


I would agree with one of each and also add only one of each. That gives people the flexibility to draft, say, their MVP late knowing they won't all be snapped up.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#447 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:56 pm

8on wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:What about the one in the post above you?


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Pre-occupied still. I have to read that long post and then edit the draft thread. Stand by.

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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#448 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:12 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
8on wrote:I would run the next one. Doesn’t have to be an idea of mine. Whatever you guys want to do


I think the opposite of what we're doing is a logical follow up if you want to kick that off.

I don't have a strong preference but want to keep playing - have more time right now.

Is the literal opposite of the current game really a big challenge? Seems like it would be fairly straightforward.


I'm on the fence about it but after thinking about it I think there would still be some strategy as teams would have to decide how aggressively they want to get cheaper to be the one to get to Magic, Nash, Stockton, Draymond, etc. first
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#449 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:28 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
I think the opposite of what we're doing is a logical follow up if you want to kick that off.

I don't have a strong preference but want to keep playing - have more time right now.

Is the literal opposite of the current game really a big challenge? Seems like it would be fairly straightforward.


I'm on the fence about it but after thinking about it I think there would still be some strategy as teams would have to decide how aggressively they want to get cheaper to be the one to get to Magic, Nash, Stockton, Draymond, etc. first

Sure there would be some strategy, but the stakes wouldn't be as high. The draft order would be broadly similar to what it typically is, and you don't face the temptation of reaching for a cheaper but inferior version of a star. I think it needs an additional twist, although I don't know what that would be.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#450 » by 8on » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:42 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Is the literal opposite of the current game really a big challenge? Seems like it would be fairly straightforward.


I'm on the fence about it but after thinking about it I think there would still be some strategy as teams would have to decide how aggressively they want to get cheaper to be the one to get to Magic, Nash, Stockton, Draymond, etc. first

Sure there would be some strategy, but the stakes wouldn't be as high. The draft order would be broadly similar to what it typically is, and you don't face the temptation of reaching for a cheaper but inferior version of a star. I think it needs an additional twist, although I don't know what that would be.


how about an exception. you can go up in FGAs once, but your next season must be lower in FGAs than the pick you made before the “jump.” This way, you can grab a star if one fits your plan.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#451 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:45 pm

8on wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:
I'm on the fence about it but after thinking about it I think there would still be some strategy as teams would have to decide how aggressively they want to get cheaper to be the one to get to Magic, Nash, Stockton, Draymond, etc. first

Sure there would be some strategy, but the stakes wouldn't be as high. The draft order would be broadly similar to what it typically is, and you don't face the temptation of reaching for a cheaper but inferior version of a star. I think it needs an additional twist, although I don't know what that would be.


how about an exception. you can go up in FGAs once, but your next season must be lower in FGAs than the pick you made before the “jump.” This way, you can grab a star if one fits your plan.


Wouldn't that just make it even more of a normal draft?
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#452 » by 8on » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:49 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:
8on wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Sure there would be some strategy, but the stakes wouldn't be as high. The draft order would be broadly similar to what it typically is, and you don't face the temptation of reaching for a cheaper but inferior version of a star. I think it needs an additional twist, although I don't know what that would be.


how about an exception. you can go up in FGAs once, but your next season must be lower in FGAs than the pick you made before the “jump.” This way, you can grab a star if one fits your plan.


Wouldn't that just make it even more of a normal draft?


You still have to make it to 85 with the jump.

I don’t know. My ideas usually end up on the waiting list.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#453 » by 8on » Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:19 am

Ironing out a kink or two with the Accolade Specific draft, for which I will soon post a sign-up thread. if anyone wants to answer some questions about the concept (Dr P? Laimbeer?) I will ask them. I'll try to find the least egregious solution, and post a working rules/sign-up thread tonight.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#454 » by 8on » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:31 am

Still working out kinks. In the meantime, here's an idea I just thought of:

Each round, pick a season in which the player was:
-Rookie of the Year and/or All-Rookie
-Sixth Man of the Year
-Most Improved Player of the Year
-Olympic Team member
-DPOY and/or All-Defensive team selection
-All-Star Game MVP
-Finals MVP
-Regular season MVP

in no particular order.
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Post#455 » by Missing Rings » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:23 pm

What about a teammates game where each player you draft had to have played with the player you picked previous. The exception being the season you choose for Pick 1 had to play the season with the player you pick with Pick 2, ect.

Lets say your first pick is and you choose 2009 LeBron James. For your second pick, you can't pick Dwyane Wade because he didn't play with 2009 James. However, if you pick 2013 LeBron James then you would be able to pick 2009 Dwyane Wade since Dwyane Wade played with LeBron James in 2013. Then, for your following pick you need to pick a player who played with 2009 Dwyane Wade. Let's say you pick 2006 Shawn Marion, then keep repeating.

The draft would require you to be aware of FGA right away as you need to be selecting a season as you pick.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#456 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:31 pm

I'd still like to try the game Dr P (I think) suggested with only the first five seasons of each player's career being available. Preferably 90s to now at the earliest to make some of the current young guns more appealing. Maybe throw in a non-star "veteran" exception given that good role players tend to be older.
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Post#457 » by migya » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:27 pm

migya wrote:How about a build a normal type of team draft. You can only have two players in an allstar season, no more than two all nba team players (can't be players who are not the two allstars), no more than three 20pts players, atleast two players from each decade from 1980 onwards, four players that were on a finals team (one player from each decade), one 6th man of the Year winner, one double figure rebounder, one PG that was top ten in assists and one player on an all nba defensive team.


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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#458 » by poopdamoop » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:31 pm

Haven't read too many of the previous posts, but what about a draft where only 3 of your players could have more than 12 FGA? Would put a lot of emphasis on role players and fit and curb some of the super stacked teams we always see
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Post#459 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:57 pm

poopdamoop wrote:Haven't read too many of the previous posts, but what about a draft where only 3 of your players could have more than 12 FGA? Would put a lot of emphasis on role players and fit and curb some of the super stacked teams we always see

I agree with the thought process, but I would tie it more to All-Star appearances or something. There are plenty of stars who come in at under 13 FGA.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#460 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:12 am

Dr Positivity wrote:All players must be in their first five seasons - I thought of how one of the appeals of a pre 90s draft in bringing in some rarely used seasons like late 80s Jordan, Malone, Drexler, Hakeem, etc., which led me to the idea of going first five years for everyone

I know it's been a while but is it safe you assume you were thinking 80s to now for this one?

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