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Post#681 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:56 am

stuporman wrote:If Trump does get indicted, I doubt it is for something like treason, it will be something along the lines of obstruction. Which will continue to allow him and his cult followers to dance around acting like he didn't do anything wrong.


Very hard to predict right now what Mueller's strategic plan is, but he certainly can file multiple indictments for Trump just like everyone else.

Obstruction may be the swiftest path to booting from office, but that doesn't mean he won't subsequently also be tried for treason.

Altogether, Trump is so incredibly dirty he is going to get pecked to death by multiple trials.

The NY State AG has wasted no time to dig into the Trumps so he'll also be fending off prosecutions from state AGs either as president or civilian. A judge ruled exactly a month ago that the emoulements case against Trump can now go to trial so that is not even in the news right now, but its coming.
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the house of cards is definitely vulnerable right now. this is nixon-level rough.
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Jeff Van Gully wrote:the house of cards is definitely vulnerable right now. this is nixon-level rough.


Yes, it is getting fragile already. And a resignation is never out of the question if Trump can be convinced he'll receive some form of leniency if he vacates. If Nixon had lingered, he would have been impeached and possibly have faced time. He got his get of out jail card and took it.

Nixon also tried to hack his election, but Trump did that with the help of a foreign adversary. Once you get past their common obstruction of justice, Trump is a whole other stratosphere criminally speaking considering the treason and massive financial corruption prior to politics and during his tenure.

Trump may never be able to deal his way out of some form of penalty, but he may be facing a choice of:

Stay two more years if you can and potentially spend the rest of your life in litigation and imprisonment or leave voluntarily and perhaps do better.

He's not a rational guy though, so that kind of decision will still probably be made emotionally. Not very predictable.

And I could be wrong about any deal being made available to him. There might be no escape hatch for Trump.
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Post#684 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:42 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:the house of cards is definitely vulnerable right now. this is nixon-level rough.


Yes, it is getting fragile already. And a resignation is never out of the question if Trump can be convinced he'll receive some form of leniency if he vacates. If Nixon had lingered, he would have been impeached and possibly have faced time. He got his get of out jail card and took it.

Nixon also tried to hack his election, but Trump did that with the help of a foreign adversary. Once you get past their common obstruction of justice, Trump is a whole other stratosphere criminally speaking considering the treason and massive financial corruption prior to politics and during his tenure.

Trump may never be able to deal his way out of some form of penalty, but he may be facing a choice of:

Stay two more years if you can and potentially spend the rest of your life in litigation and imprisonment or leave voluntarily and perhaps do better.

He's not a rational guy though, so that kind of decision will still probably be made emotionally. Not very predictable.

And I could be wrong about any deal being made available to him. There might be no escape hatch for Trump.


they all seem to be facing a tough call.

manafort kind of has little choice but to ride and hope for a pardon. trump is praising him for not "flipping." but, what is there to flip if no one has done anything wrong? trump sounding a little gangstalicious right now. homies know how to keep a secret.

cohen has clearly chosen his path. he's going to talk. i'd be extremely worried about what he has to say if i were trump or anyone close to him. cohen has not been incentivized to not "flip."

and if trump is guilty of anything that any of these investigations can tie a can to, i think you're absolutely right about the decision he faces. get out early with a pass, or just go down swinging. with how things have gone with his base, i could understand completely why he thinks he might as well take the big shot. but that's not a risk i'd be comfortable taking with all of the chipping away happening at my foundation. circle of trust is in jeopardy.
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Post#685 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:45 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:the house of cards is definitely vulnerable right now. this is nixon-level rough.


Yes, it is getting fragile already. And a resignation is never out of the question if Trump can be convinced he'll receive some form of leniency if he vacates. If Nixon had lingered, he would have been impeached and possibly have faced time. He got his get of out jail card and took it.

Nixon also tried to hack his election, but Trump did that with the help of a foreign adversary. Once you get past their common obstruction of justice, Trump is a whole other stratosphere criminally speaking considering the treason and massive financial corruption prior to politics and during his tenure.

Trump may never be able to deal his way out of some form of penalty, but he may be facing a choice of:

Stay two more years if you can and potentially spend the rest of your life in litigation and imprisonment or leave voluntarily and perhaps do better.

He's not a rational guy though, so that kind of decision will still probably be made emotionally. Not very predictable.

And I could be wrong about any deal being made available to him. There might be no escape hatch for Trump.


Trump isn't going quietly. His entire business is built on branding. How is the brand going to do if he is sent packing in disgrace? If the businesses get hit by criminal investigations and lose all sorts of money?

He's in an all or nothing end game and knows it. That's dangerous.
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Post#686 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:55 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
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Jeff Van Gully wrote:the house of cards is definitely vulnerable right now. this is nixon-level rough.


Yes, it is getting fragile already. And a resignation is never out of the question if Trump can be convinced he'll receive some form of leniency if he vacates. If Nixon had lingered, he would have been impeached and possibly have faced time. He got his get of out jail card and took it.

Nixon also tried to hack his election, but Trump did that with the help of a foreign adversary. Once you get past their common obstruction of justice, Trump is a whole other stratosphere criminally speaking considering the treason and massive financial corruption prior to politics and during his tenure.

Trump may never be able to deal his way out of some form of penalty, but he may be facing a choice of:

Stay two more years if you can and potentially spend the rest of your life in litigation and imprisonment or leave voluntarily and perhaps do better.

He's not a rational guy though, so that kind of decision will still probably be made emotionally. Not very predictable.

And I could be wrong about any deal being made available to him. There might be no escape hatch for Trump.


they all seem to be facing a tough call.

manafort kind of has little choice but to ride and hope for a pardon. trump is praising him for not "flipping." but, what is there to flip if no one has done anything wrong? trump sounding a little gangstalicious right now. homies know how to keep a secret.

cohen has clearly chosen his path. he's going to talk. i'd be extremely worried about what he has to say if i were trump or anyone close to him. cohen has not been incentivized to not "flip."

and if trump is guilty of anything that any of these investigations can tie a can to, i think you're absolutely right about the decision he faces. get out early with a pass, or just go down swinging. with how things have gone with his base, i could understand completely why he thinks he might as well take the big shot. but that's not a risk i'd be comfortable taking with all of the chipping away happening at my foundation. circle of trust is in jeopardy.


The one thing I'm confident Trump does understand about pardons is they liberate the pardonee to testify against him because you can still be subpoenaed and under threat of perjury if you lie in court. So if you can't go to jail at that point for telling the truth you spill the beans.

Trump used pardons so far only on people with no prior affiliations like Arpaio and D'Souza to show off his pardoning powers, but he keeps dangling that in front of his former associates like candy without pulling the trigger. Flynn, Gates and Cohen figured out it was a ruse and they would never get that pardon so they flipped.

Something else is making Manafort tick and he has another trial in three weeks. If he flips by then he was hoping to beat the charges in this last trial before he decided. If he doesn't then he is either afraid of Putin (with good reason) or expects a pardon now. I don't think Manafort is that kind of sucker so I think it is the former.

Nobody in Trump's orbit has more dirt on Putin's activities in the Ukraine than Manafort. Paulie Walnuts has probably already woken up with a horse's head in his bed at least once so to speak. So perhaps he truly is a case of better red than dead.

Yeah, Trump is playing this gangsta so much the NY Times ran this article yesterday:

With a Vocabulary From ‘Goodfellas,’ Trump Evokes His Native New York

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/politics/trump-vocabulary-mob.html
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Post#687 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:07 pm

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:the house of cards is definitely vulnerable right now. this is nixon-level rough.


Yes, it is getting fragile already. And a resignation is never out of the question if Trump can be convinced he'll receive some form of leniency if he vacates. If Nixon had lingered, he would have been impeached and possibly have faced time. He got his get of out jail card and took it.

Nixon also tried to hack his election, but Trump did that with the help of a foreign adversary. Once you get past their common obstruction of justice, Trump is a whole other stratosphere criminally speaking considering the treason and massive financial corruption prior to politics and during his tenure.

Trump may never be able to deal his way out of some form of penalty, but he may be facing a choice of:

Stay two more years if you can and potentially spend the rest of your life in litigation and imprisonment or leave voluntarily and perhaps do better.

He's not a rational guy though, so that kind of decision will still probably be made emotionally. Not very predictable.

And I could be wrong about any deal being made available to him. There might be no escape hatch for Trump.


Trump isn't going quietly. His entire business is built on branding. How is the brand going to do if he is sent packing in disgrace? If the businesses get hit by criminal investigations and lose all sorts of money?

He's in an all or nothing end game and knows it. That's dangerous.


You may be right simply from a psych profile POV.

Trump's persona doesn't exist without ridiculous bluster and this is the biggest stage on the planet. Hard for a sociopathic narcissist to willingly let that go even if the building is burning down around him.

But we know there is no soft landing for him so whatever goes on in his mind about the future, i.e. protecting the brand, protecting assets and a career post-WH is already so disconnected from reality that he cannot be expected to make decisions based on realistic outcomes.

The realistic outcome post-WH is:

1) Putin calls in his bank loans
2) State AG's batter away with fraud cases
3) His assets are seized as his financial house of cards collapse

and that is not even considering every criminal act he may be held accountable for

His brand in terms of licensing the Trump name is finished though Buzz. No licensees will embrace his brand again. His sole brand left is crazy time for the faithful hour stuff.

so if post-WH he is somehow not put on trial that can put him in prison, his career opportunities will be fringe at best and amount to babbling like an idiot about the Clintons to that 11% of crazy white Americans who think he is their god

but since Trump's security clearances + his big mouth make him a threat to the functioning of the country post-presidency I still expect the objective is to put him behind bars where he cannot mouth off and do any more harm

How Trump plays this is another matter and you may be right that he will go down swinging. Like I said, I think it will partly be a mood-based decision to resign or not. And lordy he's gonna be moody AF from now on if he stays
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Post#688 » by JohnStarksTheDunk » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:42 pm

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Yes, it is getting fragile already. And a resignation is never out of the question if Trump can be convinced he'll receive some form of leniency if he vacates. If Nixon had lingered, he would have been impeached and possibly have faced time. He got his get of out jail card and took it.

Nixon also tried to hack his election, but Trump did that with the help of a foreign adversary. Once you get past their common obstruction of justice, Trump is a whole other stratosphere criminally speaking considering the treason and massive financial corruption prior to politics and during his tenure.

Trump may never be able to deal his way out of some form of penalty, but he may be facing a choice of:

Stay two more years if you can and potentially spend the rest of your life in litigation and imprisonment or leave voluntarily and perhaps do better.

He's not a rational guy though, so that kind of decision will still probably be made emotionally. Not very predictable.

And I could be wrong about any deal being made available to him. There might be no escape hatch for Trump.


they all seem to be facing a tough call.

manafort kind of has little choice but to ride and hope for a pardon. trump is praising him for not "flipping." but, what is there to flip if no one has done anything wrong? trump sounding a little gangstalicious right now. homies know how to keep a secret.

cohen has clearly chosen his path. he's going to talk. i'd be extremely worried about what he has to say if i were trump or anyone close to him. cohen has not been incentivized to not "flip."

and if trump is guilty of anything that any of these investigations can tie a can to, i think you're absolutely right about the decision he faces. get out early with a pass, or just go down swinging. with how things have gone with his base, i could understand completely why he thinks he might as well take the big shot. but that's not a risk i'd be comfortable taking with all of the chipping away happening at my foundation. circle of trust is in jeopardy.


The one thing I'm confident Trump does understand about pardons is they liberate the pardonee to testify against him because you can still be subpoenaed and under threat of perjury if you lie in court. So if you can't go to jail at that point for telling the truth you spill the beans.



Correct. If pardoned, Manafort can still be compelled to testify and would be unable to claim his 5th Amendment rights. And if he lies under oath, he would face new charges of perjury. Of course, Trump could also pardon him for that after the fact, and continue the cycle, but at that point the damage would already be done as he would have already testified.

Thus, pardoning Manafort would probably be more damaging to Trump than beneficial. However, the hints at a potential pardon are meant more to send a signal, and these types of things can also be construed as potential witness tampering.
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they all seem to be facing a tough call.

manafort kind of has little choice but to ride and hope for a pardon. trump is praising him for not "flipping." but, what is there to flip if no one has done anything wrong? trump sounding a little gangstalicious right now. homies know how to keep a secret.

cohen has clearly chosen his path. he's going to talk. i'd be extremely worried about what he has to say if i were trump or anyone close to him. cohen has not been incentivized to not "flip."

and if trump is guilty of anything that any of these investigations can tie a can to, i think you're absolutely right about the decision he faces. get out early with a pass, or just go down swinging. with how things have gone with his base, i could understand completely why he thinks he might as well take the big shot. but that's not a risk i'd be comfortable taking with all of the chipping away happening at my foundation. circle of trust is in jeopardy.


The one thing I'm confident Trump does understand about pardons is they liberate the pardonee to testify against him because you can still be subpoenaed and under threat of perjury if you lie in court. So if you can't go to jail at that point for telling the truth you spill the beans.



Correct. If pardoned, Manafort can still be compelled to testify and would be unable to claim his 5th Amendment rights. And if he lies under oath, he would face new charges of perjury. Of course, Trump could also pardon him for that after the fact, and continue the cycle, but at that point the damage would already be done as he would have already testified.

Thus, pardoning Manafort would probably be more damaging to Trump than beneficial. However, the hints at a potential pardon are meant more to send a signal, and these types of things can also be construed as potential witness tampering.


Yes, it is witness tampering. Trump has done it via Twitter innumerable times already. The itemized list on obstruction charges is very long at this point
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Post#690 » by Capn'O » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:52 pm

The ol' perjury trap. Another one of my favorite phrases to come out of this mess.
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Capn'O wrote:The ol' perjury trap. Another one of my favorite phrases to come out of this mess.


Just Rudy playing to his ignorant base that doesn't understand shyt about legal proceedings.
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Post#692 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:32 pm

Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, granted Immunity In Cohen Investigation. This guy knows where all the bodies are buried.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/allen-weisselberg-immunity-cohen-investigation_us_5b801bc4e4b0cd327dfc3fb1

No one knows Trump’s finances better than Weisselberg. Aside from Trump himself, Weisselberg is the longest-serving employee of the Trump Organization. He has worked for the company since the 1970s, beginning as an accountant with Fred Trump, the president’s father, and working his way up to chief financial officer.

He is currently one of three executives, alongside the president’s elder sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, who run the trust set up to manage the Trump Organization while Trump serves as president. Weisselberg was named by Cohen’s lawyer Lanny Davis as the executive who approved the Trump Organization’s reimbursement of Cohen for the payments made to Daniels.

Weisselberg handled not just the Trump Organization’s finances but also those of Trump himself. This means Weisselberg is the accountant who filed Trump’s tax returns. He also signed the checks for Trump’s fake university that was fined $25 million for defrauding students. And he was named treasurer of the Donald J. Trump Foundation, which is currently under investigation by the New York attorney general for fraud.

“He plays an integral part in the Trump Organization’s growth and continued financial success,” Ivanka Trump said in an emailed statement to The Wall Street Journal in 2016. “He is deeply passionate, fiercely loyal and has stood alongside my father and our family for over [three] decades.”
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HarthorneWingo wrote:Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, granted Immunity In Cohen Investigation. This guy knows where all the bodies are buried.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/allen-weisselberg-immunity-cohen-investigation_us_5b801bc4e4b0cd327dfc3fb1

No one knows Trump’s finances better than Weisselberg. Aside from Trump himself, Weisselberg is the longest-serving employee of the Trump Organization. He has worked for the company since the 1970s, beginning as an accountant with Fred Trump, the president’s father, and working his way up to chief financial officer.

He is currently one of three executives, alongside the president’s elder sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, who run the trust set up to manage the Trump Organization while Trump serves as president. Weisselberg was named by Cohen’s lawyer Lanny Davis as the executive who approved the Trump Organization’s reimbursement of Cohen for the payments made to Daniels.

Weisselberg handled not just the Trump Organization’s finances but also those of Trump himself. This means Weisselberg is the accountant who filed Trump’s tax returns. He also signed the checks for Trump’s fake university that was fined $25 million for defrauding students. And he was named treasurer of the Donald J. Trump Foundation, which is currently under investigation by the New York attorney general for fraud.

“He plays an integral part in the Trump Organization’s growth and continued financial success,” Ivanka Trump said in an emailed statement to The Wall Street Journal in 2016. “He is deeply passionate, fiercely loyal and has stood alongside my father and our family for over [three] decades.”


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Post#695 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:15 pm

Trump is finished now. It is just a matter of how his demise plays out, but he will not survive this.

Weisselberg is literally the whole tamale. With him you've got Trump on both State and Federal, financial fraud and treason.

As we can see from this week, there was a huge backlog of built-up evidentiary material that is now resulting in critical mass and the domino effect whereby anybody who does not take a plea deal will go to prison. It is as simple as that.

What that means is Kushner, Trump Jr. and Ivanka's time to decide if they want to sink with their father is rapidly approaching.

This carpet bombing will not relent. Roger Stone is on deck with Assange. There are many conspiracies to be revealed involving not just Russia, but any number of Middle Eastern countries from the Saudis, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar. This is a smorgasbord of crime.

Perhaps now doubters understand why I was so confident this was being timed to precede the mid-terms. Trump might not even survive that long, but he surely will not serve out his term at this rate.
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Post#696 » by GONYK » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:38 pm

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The one thing I'm confident Trump does understand about pardons is they liberate the pardonee to testify against him because you can still be subpoenaed and under threat of perjury if you lie in court. So if you can't go to jail at that point for telling the truth you spill the beans.



Correct. If pardoned, Manafort can still be compelled to testify and would be unable to claim his 5th Amendment rights. And if he lies under oath, he would face new charges of perjury. Of course, Trump could also pardon him for that after the fact, and continue the cycle, but at that point the damage would already be done as he would have already testified.

Thus, pardoning Manafort would probably be more damaging to Trump than beneficial. However, the hints at a potential pardon are meant more to send a signal, and these types of things can also be construed as potential witness tampering.


Yes, it is witness tampering. Trump has done it via Twitter innumerable times already. The itemized list on obstruction charges is very long at this point


I don't think Trump alluding to pardons on Twitter is witness tampering. There needs to be explicitly understood quid pro quo for tampering.
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Correct. If pardoned, Manafort can still be compelled to testify and would be unable to claim his 5th Amendment rights. And if he lies under oath, he would face new charges of perjury. Of course, Trump could also pardon him for that after the fact, and continue the cycle, but at that point the damage would already be done as he would have already testified.

Thus, pardoning Manafort would probably be more damaging to Trump than beneficial. However, the hints at a potential pardon are meant more to send a signal, and these types of things can also be construed as potential witness tampering.


Yes, it is witness tampering. Trump has done it via Twitter innumerable times already. The itemized list on obstruction charges is very long at this point


I don't think Trump alluding to pardons on Twitter is witness tampering. There needs to be explicitly understood quid pro quo for tampering.


Since it is not law JohnStarks and I are saying we see it for what it is, but a judge or a jury will be how that question is settled.

It is something that probably will be addressed when Trump is indicted for obstruction, but you cannot say with any certainty it is not witness tampering legally until it is settled in court.

https://www.justsecurity.org/54356/dangling-pardon-obstruction-justice-even-pardon-power-absolute/

And per quid pro quo, I don't see how that even enters into it. Mutuality has nothing to do with. When a witness is intimidated or misled there is no equivocable relationship required to deem it manipulation or tampering.
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Post#698 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:58 pm

Talk about micro-corruption. So petty cheap :nonono:

Duncan Hunter is the GOP Rep just arrested for using campaign funds for personal expenses

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Post#699 » by GONYK » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:00 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, granted Immunity In Cohen Investigation. This guy knows where all the bodies are buried.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/allen-weisselberg-immunity-cohen-investigation_us_5b801bc4e4b0cd327dfc3fb1

No one knows Trump’s finances better than Weisselberg. Aside from Trump himself, Weisselberg is the longest-serving employee of the Trump Organization. He has worked for the company since the 1970s, beginning as an accountant with Fred Trump, the president’s father, and working his way up to chief financial officer.

He is currently one of three executives, alongside the president’s elder sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, who run the trust set up to manage the Trump Organization while Trump serves as president. Weisselberg was named by Cohen’s lawyer Lanny Davis as the executive who approved the Trump Organization’s reimbursement of Cohen for the payments made to Daniels.

Weisselberg handled not just the Trump Organization’s finances but also those of Trump himself. This means Weisselberg is the accountant who filed Trump’s tax returns. He also signed the checks for Trump’s fake university that was fined $25 million for defrauding students. And he was named treasurer of the Donald J. Trump Foundation, which is currently under investigation by the New York attorney general for fraud.

“He plays an integral part in the Trump Organization’s growth and continued financial success,” Ivanka Trump said in an emailed statement to The Wall Street Journal in 2016. “He is deeply passionate, fiercely loyal and has stood alongside my father and our family for over [three] decades.”


This is verrrrry interesting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but granting immunity doesn't necessarily mean that the witness is cooperating, right? Mueller could be using as a means to force a testimony, since Weisselberg can't plead the fifth if he was granted immunity.

If Weisselberg is cooperating though, that would be significant.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#700 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:08 pm

GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, granted Immunity In Cohen Investigation. This guy knows where all the bodies are buried.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/allen-weisselberg-immunity-cohen-investigation_us_5b801bc4e4b0cd327dfc3fb1

No one knows Trump’s finances better than Weisselberg. Aside from Trump himself, Weisselberg is the longest-serving employee of the Trump Organization. He has worked for the company since the 1970s, beginning as an accountant with Fred Trump, the president’s father, and working his way up to chief financial officer.

He is currently one of three executives, alongside the president’s elder sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, who run the trust set up to manage the Trump Organization while Trump serves as president. Weisselberg was named by Cohen’s lawyer Lanny Davis as the executive who approved the Trump Organization’s reimbursement of Cohen for the payments made to Daniels.

Weisselberg handled not just the Trump Organization’s finances but also those of Trump himself. This means Weisselberg is the accountant who filed Trump’s tax returns. He also signed the checks for Trump’s fake university that was fined $25 million for defrauding students. And he was named treasurer of the Donald J. Trump Foundation, which is currently under investigation by the New York attorney general for fraud.

“He plays an integral part in the Trump Organization’s growth and continued financial success,” Ivanka Trump said in an emailed statement to The Wall Street Journal in 2016. “He is deeply passionate, fiercely loyal and has stood alongside my father and our family for over [three] decades.”


This is verrrrry interesting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but granting immunity doesn't necessarily mean that the witness is cooperating, right? Mueller could be using as a means to force a testimony, since Weisselberg can't plead the fifth if he was granted immunity.

If Weisselberg is cooperating though, that would be significant.


They only grant immunity to fully cooperating witnesses. The three people I am aware of thus far to have receive this level of immunity are him, David Pecker and George Nader.

Those deals are reserved for people who have come to the feds voluntarily and who have blockbuster evidence to share. You can assume all three have extremely important info.

Pecker apparently has a Trump vault due to his practice of catch and kill which means the deets on pretty much every woman Trump has paid off is now in Mueller's hands.

Nader was the motherlode for BOTH Russian and the Middle East. He had to have some serious dirt, because he's a very dirty guy with pedophilia on his record. He was present in the Seychelles with Erik Prince for several days of meeting with Kremlin agents.

Weisselberg was subpoenaed a month ago. He is THE GUY if you want to understand Trump's criminal history financially. He was an accountant for Fred Trump and has been with the Trumps over 30+ years. He signs all of the checks and files Trump's taxes.

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