Political Roundtable Part XXII

[pancakes3]

entirely lopsided investigation. the conservative american public is not dumb. see you at the ballot box.

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this is a hack article, and if you believe it, then you are dumb.

the special counsel can only investigate what it is tasked to investigate, narrowly. mueller does not have authority to go outside the scope of what is asked of him.

this is a basic fact of special counsels, and the fact that strassel wrote it - even in an op/ed piece, is disingenuous at best, but really makes her a hack journalist because she really ought to know better.

even trump knows this, which is why he's upset at Sessions and Rosenstein - ostensibly his guys that he appointed for not opening cases on the Dems. Presumably Sessions would like to oblige but there just is not enough probable cause to do so - they wouldn't be able to get warrants, articulable subpoenas, discovery requests, etc.

[gtn130]

Again, an investigation in search of a crime.

You've acknowledged there was a crime involving Russian election interference. There is ample reason to believe members of the Trump campaign were party to that crime. Trump fired the guy investigating the crime and explained on national TV that he fired the guy because he was investigating it.

This isn't difficult.

[Zonkerbl]

The hacking of the DNC was an actual crime. I don't think you missed it but seem
to have conveniently forgotten that indictments have been returned against
those the govt accuses of being responsible. The indictments have been described
as going into great detail about who did it and how it was done.

A crime in which there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it.

The interference, by Russia, in the 2016 election, not just the hacking of emails,
was an actual crime.

A crime in which there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it. And it's a "crime" that every major nation does to every other nation's elections. Only this time around, we get a special prosecutor going after Trump.

The payment to Daniels was in fact an actual crime.

No. That is not yet the case. Many, including former heads of the FEC, say it wasn't. They must first conclude that the payment was specifically and only for the good of the campaign (and not for the good of a high public profile media star and husband). Also, they must conclude criminal intent. Trump instructed his lawyer to take care of the issue. Surely, he meant to take care of it in a legal manner. Cohen screwed up, not Trump.

High ranking campaign officials lying (why did they think they needed to or should lie about these
meetings and contacts?) to the FBI about Russian contacts was an actual crime.

No high ranking campaign officials lied. Papadoplous may have lied but he's hardly high ranking. He was an unpaid volunteer whom Trump never even met. Regarding Flynn, the 302's say that both FBI agents didn't believe that Flynn lied with intent. And let's not forget that he was ambushed by FBI agents (without a lawyer present) on the matter for the "crime" of acting totally appropriately in having conversations with Russian representatives during the transition period. He should never have been put in that position. Flynn plead guilty because he was going bankrupt with legal fees. Also, that case is still open.

Firing Comey with corrupt intent is a crime. (why did the story change multiple times
on why this decision was made?)

No. It's not. Trump can fire anyone he wants to in the Executive Branch. That's what Alan Dershowitz says. Comey clearly deserved firing for his frequent and flagrant violations of procedure, and his uneven application of the law.

Another thing we're likely to be hearing more about in the not too distant future
is the illegality of self dealing by charitable foundations.

Again, an investigation in search of a crime. If you performed an extensive enough legal anal exam on any President or significant political figure, you will find evidence of campaign finance violations or questionable tax dodging using charitable foundations or offshore businesses.

Your first few arguments here confuse the hell out of me. Do you not understand that the Mueller investigation is about Russia and not Trump? That Trump, if he was not involved, should have absolutely zero reason to fear Mueller? That, in fact, by pretending the investigation is about him (when either you or Trump does it), when it is not, it *stupidly* and *unnecessarily* casts suspicion on Trump? You keep saying "investigation in search of a crime" when what you seem to be saying is "legitimate investigation veering into investigating Trump for no reason." Those two things are not even remotely equivalent.

As someone who hates Trump's guts, I would be *delighted* if Mueller were to find evidence supporting my suspicion that Trump was nuts-deep in cahoots with the Russians. It sure seems possible, and the likelihood of that happening seems to increase every day as Trump unnecessarily tees off lifelong friends in an insane attempt to fend off an investigation that *would not be looking at him at all but for his suspicious behavior.* I think it would also be a huge vindication of the DOJ if it was found that Trump in fact had nothing to do with it. Either way Democracy wins. Trump just needs to shut his big stupid yap.

[gtn130]

Walls are closing in on our guy. The CFO immunity thing is a big deal

[JWizmentality]

The hacking of the DNC was an actual crime. I don't think you missed it but seem
to have conveniently forgotten that indictments have been returned against
those the govt accuses of being responsible. The indictments have been described
as going into great detail about who did it and how it was done.

A crime in which there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it.

The interference, by Russia, in the 2016 election, not just the hacking of emails,
was an actual crime.

A crime in which there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it. And it's a "crime" that every major nation does to every other nation's elections. Only this time around, we get a special prosecutor going after Trump.

The payment to Daniels was in fact an actual crime.

No. That is not yet the case. Many, including former heads of the FEC, say it wasn't. They must first conclude that the payment was specifically and only for the good of the campaign (and not for the good of a high public profile media star and husband). Also, they must conclude criminal intent. Trump instructed his lawyer to take care of the issue. Surely, he meant to take care of it in a legal manner. Cohen screwed up, not Trump.

High ranking campaign officials lying (why did they think they needed to or should lie about these
meetings and contacts?) to the FBI about Russian contacts was an actual crime.

No high ranking campaign officials lied. Papadoplous may have lied but he's hardly high ranking. He was an unpaid volunteer whom Trump never even met. Regarding Flynn, the 302's say that both FBI agents didn't believe that Flynn lied with intent. And let's not forget that he was ambushed by FBI agents (without a lawyer present) on the matter for the "crime" of acting totally appropriately in having conversations with Russian representatives during the transition period. He should never have been put in that position. Flynn plead guilty because he was going bankrupt with legal fees. Also, that case is still open.

Firing Comey with corrupt intent is a crime. (why did the story change multiple times
on why this decision was made?)

No. It's not. Trump can fire anyone he wants to in the Executive Branch. That's what Alan Dershowitz says. Comey clearly deserved firing for his frequent and flagrant violations of procedure, and his uneven application of the law.

Another thing we're likely to be hearing more about in the not too distant future
is the illegality of self dealing by charitable foundations.

Again, an investigation in search of a crime. If you performed an extensive enough legal anal exam on any President or significant political figure, you will find evidence of campaign finance violations or questionable tax dodging using charitable foundations or offshore businesses.

Your first few arguments here confuse the hell out of me. Do you not understand that the Mueller investigation is about Russia and not Trump? That Trump, if he was not involved, should have absolutely zero reason to fear Mueller? That, in fact, by pretending the investigation is about him (when either you or Trump does it), when it is not, it *stupidly* and *unnecessarily* casts suspicion on Trump? You keep saying "investigation in search of a crime" when what you seem to be saying is "legitimate investigation veering into investigating Trump for no reason." Those two things are not even remotely equivalent.

As someone who hates Trump's guts, I would be *delighted* if Mueller were to find evidence supporting my suspicion that Trump was nuts-deep in cahoots with the Russians. It sure seems possible, and the likelihood of that happening seems to increase every day as Trump unnecessarily tees off lifelong friends in an insane attempt to fend off an investigation that *would not be looking at him at all but for his suspicious behavior.* I think it would also be a huge vindication of the DOJ if it was found that Trump in fact had nothing to do with it. Either way Democracy wins. Trump just needs to shut his big stupid yap.

But aren't ya glad he just won't.

My only petty gripe with this whole mess is "Why Now?" In that respect I actually do agree with some conservatives. Trump should have been indicted and convicted years ago. Everyone in NY knew Trump was a fraud, thug, and con man and did nothing about it! Obama did nothing about the bankers. But this is America. Rife with corruption and white collar criminals (aka white guys) never get prosecuted.

It allows people like nate to come on here and pontificate about the ills of the black community.

[stilldropin20]

entirely lopsided investigation. the conservative american public is not dumb. see you at the ballot box.

Read on Twitter

this is a hack article, and if you believe it, then you are dumb.

the special counsel can only investigate what it is tasked to investigate, narrowly. mueller does not have authority to go outside the scope of what is asked of him.

this is a basic fact of special counsels, and the fact that strassel wrote it - even in an op/ed piece, is disingenuous at best, but really makes her a hack journalist because she really ought to know better.

even trump knows this, which is why he's upset at Sessions and Rosenstein - ostensibly his guys that he appointed for not opening cases on the Dems. Presumably Sessions would like to oblige but there just is not enough probable cause to do so - they wouldn't be able to get warrants, articulable subpoenas, discovery requests, etc.

mueller was tasked with investigating (any kind of) foreign interference in the 2016 election and to see if any campaign colluded or conspired with any foreigners in the 2016 election. While investigating he was also tasked with chasing down any other crimes.

Why hasn't mueller gone after DNC law firm perkins coie?

Which is similar to Trumps lawyer?

We know that both the DNC and HRC paid perkins coie $10 Million each in 2016.

and in fact Barrack Obama paid perkins coie $1 M in 2016. Obama used the same law firm from 2008-2016.

We know perkins Coie paid Fusion GPS to perform oppo research in 2016 on behalf of the DNC and HRC. (and Obama?)

We know that fusion hired and paid steele. who is a foreigner <--there is your collusion right there!!! Fusion hired a foreign actor!! Fusion intereferred with foreigners!! Let's charge fusion GPS with conspiring to interfer with our elctions and see who and what they sing about and perkins coie. Once we tighten the clamps on perkins coie, lets see what they say about HRC, the DNC, and Obama. How about that part of the "investigation?????"

We also know Steele paid russians for the so-called dirt on trump. So there is your russian collusion as well.

Why has perkins coie law firms not been raided at 4am no-knock. Why has Fusions offices not been raided? Why has steele not been brought to the US for testimony(and offered full immunity?

Once they get dirt on perkins coie and fusion...i mean tax, or pay roll, or banking errors on the corps or any of their officers...anything at all......anything!!!! and throw the book at them...to get them to flip to sing or compose?

^^^^Why has none of that occured????????? Why have we only gone after Trump?????

and after going after trump in this manner...this is all they got!!???? he had sex 10 years ago!!! and while he was about to win an election, the sex partners wanted to get paid...so trump paid them!! thats all you got!!!!??


Where are the russians!!!!! where are the foreigners!!!!!! what does this have to do with foreigners interferring with our elections!!! Nothing!!! But steele is a foreigner!!! and was paid by fusion!!! who was paid by Perkins coie!!! who was paid by all 3 of the DNC, HRC, and Obama in 2016. And steele paid russians with that money!!!! And on top of that....it was all lies!!!!!!!!!! they made up nearly everything!!!!!!!!!! To influence the election!!!!! <--and they still lost~!!!!!!!!!!!!! So now they are trying to get trump out with a phony investigation that is allowing them go down evry single rabbit hole...which all will go nowhere. Trump may pay a fine!! Who cares!!??? I dont!!!! I',m still voting for him in 2020 and so are all the trump supporters. Trump being a playboy and a billionaire was already baked into the cake!!! We know who he is!! We dont care!!!

We care about jobs! the economy! record unemployment!!! lower taxes! Entitlement reform!!! Immigration reform!!!!! etc etc!! real issues!!!!!! We are not petty asspoles!!!! We got jobs!! own small businesses!! own boats and bars!! and have hot girlfriends!!! We dont care about palace intrigue!!!!!!

But we do care about foreign influence on our elections and its about time we get to the bottom of that. and it starts and ends with fusion, perkin, steele, and the russians he paid. <--and a little side note...Bruce Ohrs wife worked for fusion who fed the dossier to Bruce Ohr who fed it to the FBI. and the FBI used it to illegally surveil trump campaign. <--we care about that too!! And someday that too will be brought to light. like right after Sessions is fired and replaced by a competent AG.

[Zonkerbl]

A crime in which there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it.




A crime in which there is no evidence that Trump had anything to do with it. And it's a "crime" that every major nation does to every other nation's elections. Only this time around, we get a special prosecutor going after Trump.



No. That is not yet the case. Many, including former heads of the FEC, say it wasn't. They must first conclude that the payment was specifically and only for the good of the campaign (and not for the good of a high public profile media star and husband). Also, they must conclude criminal intent. Trump instructed his lawyer to take care of the issue. Surely, he meant to take care of it in a legal manner. Cohen screwed up, not Trump.



No high ranking campaign officials lied. Papadoplous may have lied but he's hardly high ranking. He was an unpaid volunteer whom Trump never even met. Regarding Flynn, the 302's say that both FBI agents didn't believe that Flynn lied with intent. And let's not forget that he was ambushed by FBI agents (without a lawyer present) on the matter for the "crime" of acting totally appropriately in having conversations with Russian representatives during the transition period. He should never have been put in that position. Flynn plead guilty because he was going bankrupt with legal fees. Also, that case is still open.



No. It's not. Trump can fire anyone he wants to in the Executive Branch. That's what Alan Dershowitz says. Comey clearly deserved firing for his frequent and flagrant violations of procedure, and his uneven application of the law.



Again, an investigation in search of a crime. If you performed an extensive enough legal anal exam on any President or significant political figure, you will find evidence of campaign finance violations or questionable tax dodging using charitable foundations or offshore businesses.

Your first few arguments here confuse the hell out of me. Do you not understand that the Mueller investigation is about Russia and not Trump? That Trump, if he was not involved, should have absolutely zero reason to fear Mueller? That, in fact, by pretending the investigation is about him (when either you or Trump does it), when it is not, it *stupidly* and *unnecessarily* casts suspicion on Trump? You keep saying "investigation in search of a crime" when what you seem to be saying is "legitimate investigation veering into investigating Trump for no reason." Those two things are not even remotely equivalent.

As someone who hates Trump's guts, I would be *delighted* if Mueller were to find evidence supporting my suspicion that Trump was nuts-deep in cahoots with the Russians. It sure seems possible, and the likelihood of that happening seems to increase every day as Trump unnecessarily tees off lifelong friends in an insane attempt to fend off an investigation that *would not be looking at him at all but for his suspicious behavior.* I think it would also be a huge vindication of the DOJ if it was found that Trump in fact had nothing to do with it. Either way Democracy wins. Trump just needs to shut his big stupid yap.

But aren't ya glad he just won't.

My only petty gripe with this whole mess is "Why Now?" In that respect I actually do agree with some conservatives. Trump should have been indicted and convicted years ago. Everyone in NY knew Trump was a fraud, thug, and con man and did nothing about it! Obama did nothing about the bankers. But this is America. Rife with corruption and white collar criminals (aka white guys) never get prosecuted.

It allows people like nate to come on here and pontificate about the ills of the black community.

Yeah it is a little stupid that Trump and all his toadies have been running around committing tax evasion and bank fraud willy nilly all they want and *now* all of a sudden, now that Democracy is *literally on fire,* now we start pursuing white collar crime. And Trump is like "oh now that I'm PRESIDENT all of a sudden all this crap you have ignored my *entire life* is suddenly a deadly serious crime?"

Still no excuse - they had to know that what they were doing to Hillary can be done to them. And if you've *actually committed crimes* the outcome will be much different.

[Doug_Blew]

Walls are closing in on our guy. The CFO immunity thing is a big deal

From nothingburger to Weisselburger

[barelyawake]

I love how the conservatives keep arguing each leaf, while trying to pretend the forest doesn’t exist. They scream “there is no evidence” during an investigation, as if they have seen the facts of the case. They scream one thing Trump said isn’t racist, as if Trump didn’t put c for colored on rental applications; as if his father wasn’t in the KKK; as if he didn’t call Nazis good people; as if he hasn’t been called out for using the n-word; as if he didn’t invent birtherism; as if he didn’t hire Steve Bannon to fan an Arian firestorm. They keep laser focused on spinning each lie, as if the preseident doesn’t lie seven times a day (things that are provably untrue).

Global warming isn’t a hoax. Wealth inequality is killing us. Robots are only going to make that gap worse. Tax cuts for the rich doubly so, when that bill comes. Destroying our alliance with the European Union (to help Trump cozy up to a dicatator like Putin, for his own personal gain) is treason.

Any of you on the right who dare call yourselves Christians ought to be publically shamed. You’re as much like Christ as the Catholic Church. Christ didn’t tote guns; didn’t grab women by the pussy and purposefully spy on teenage girls changing; didn’t lie with every breath; didn’t tell the sick to work harder or die; didn’t build a wall to keep out the poor from working for a living, and he certainly believed that the rich were going to Hell. It’s your book. Do us all a favor and follow your own rules, rather than pretending the rules match your greedy, hateful, petty egos and wants.

[pancakes3]

The 30,000 foot view of the investigation is that the Russian GOVERNMENT influenced the 2016 election, using tactics that included but not limited to hacking the DNC's emails.

The theory, one that Trump's own DOJ has sufficient belief to launch a special investigation for (which is pretty damn serious), is that there is collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russian Government to undermine the opposition.

The heart of the investigation is to figure out what went on at the Russian meeting at Trump Tower, if there were other meetings between the Campaign and Russia, if there were other communications with Russians, etc. because the figurative smoking gun in this case is that in October 2016, Trump shifted course on his campaigning to specifically focus on states where Hilary decided to forego (without knowledge that Hilary was skipping stops) in an act of coincidence so large that it calls into question whether those moves were motivated by information gathered via hacked emails.

Nobody is saying this is what happened but there is sufficient evidence to suspect it, and justify an investigation.

So yeah, it's a big f*cking deal, and we need to let the investigation run its course. You can imagine how frustrating it must be for Mueller to do his job while Trump is tweeting and pundits are misleading. Take this seriously, people.

The ancillary charges on Cohen, Manafort, and others is a standard white collar crime prosecution tactic, specifically to flip witnesses because evidence is nearly impossible to come by. There are no fingerprints or smoking guns in white collar, and the smart ones don't leave a paper trail either. This is why Stormy Daniels is important.

And if you want to play the false equivalency game of why it's ok for the dems to hire Perkins Cole to do oppo research that used a firm that hired a foreign national, v. Trump's campaign directly meeting in person with agents of the Russian government, you're completely missing the point.

[Ruzious]

It's bizarre how little we've heard from Pence. And it's clear how little Trump thinks of him when Trump says:

"I will tell you what, if I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash. I think everybody would be very poor," Trump said on "Fox and Friends." "You would see -- you would see numbers that you wouldn't believe in reverse."

Trump seems to consider Pence to be irrelevant at best. I'd like to hear Pence's reactions to his comments. Perhaps the idiot interviewers on Fox that are left should ask him.

[stilldropin20]

The heart of the investigation is to figure out what went on at the Russian meeting at Trump Tower, if there were other meetings between the Campaign and Russia, if there were other communications with Russians, etc. because the figurative smoking gun in this case is that in October 2016, Trump shifted course on his campaigning to specifically focus on states where Hilary decided to forego (without knowledge that Hilary was skipping stops) in an act of coincidence so large that it calls into question whether those moves were motivated by information gathered via hacked emails.

Nobody is saying this is what happened but there is sufficient evidence to suspect it, and justify an investigation.

So yeah, it's a big f*cking deal, and we need to let the investigation run its course.

pancakes,

those exact same russians met with glen simpson (principle of Fusion GPS) both 1 day before the trump tower meeting and 1 day after the trump tower meeting. We got this from testimony directly from the russians and Simpson and intelligence.

So why are we not raiding the offices and home and all residences of both glen simpson, and fusion GPS and looking at his tax returns from 10 years ago!!!!!!!!!!

and again, fusion was hired by perkins coie who was the election camapign attorneys of record for all 3 of Obama, the DNC at large, and HRC.

in 2016 obama paid perkins $1M. HRC paid them $10 million. and the DNC paid them $10 Million


$21 effin million dollars!!! Perkins hired fusion (glen simpson) for oppo research. Fusion hired steels. Steele talked to and paid russians for the phoney dirt on trump.

^^^^^^^^There is your gotdamn russian collusion!!!!!!!!!

This is all confirmed and Nate and I have documented it, sourced, linked, etc. Sara Carter and Judicial watch have been at this via FOIA for 2 years!!! its all sourced. Its all documented. Everybody following this case knows this is FACT. CNN wont report it. neither MSNBC nor any other liberal media. All they talk about is palace intrigue.

[nate33]

Again, an investigation in search of a crime.

You've acknowledged there was a crime involving Russian election interference. There is ample reason to believe members of the Trump campaign were party to that crime. Trump fired the guy investigating the crime and explained on national TV that he fired the guy because he was investigating it.

This isn't difficult.

No. There isn't ample evidence. And the indictment against the Russians was very clear in stating that there is no allegation than any U.S. citizens were involved in the crime.

[nate33]

Walls are closing in on our guy. The CFO immunity thing is a big deal

No. It isn't.

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[nate33]

The heart of the investigation is to figure out what went on at the Russian meeting at Trump Tower, if there were other meetings between the Campaign and Russia, if there were other communications with Russians, etc. because the figurative smoking gun in this case is that in October 2016, Trump shifted course on his campaigning to specifically focus on states where Hilary decided to forego (without knowledge that Hilary was skipping stops) in an act of coincidence so large that it calls into question whether those moves were motivated by information gathered via hacked emails.

That's a new and absurd theory. Are you serious? You think that Trump changed campaign tactics because of information they hacked out of the DNC server? Isn't it much easier to believe that Trump's internal polling showed that Michigan was in play? And Republicans always spend time in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

[gtn130]

Again, an investigation in search of a crime.

You've acknowledged there was a crime involving Russian election interference. There is ample reason to believe members of the Trump campaign were party to that crime. Trump fired the guy investigating the crime and explained on national TV that he fired the guy because he was investigating it.

This isn't difficult.

No. There isn't ample evidence. And the indictment against the Russians was very clear in stating that there is no allegation than any U.S. citizens were involved in the crime.

I said ample reason to believe. We're talking about the run-up to an investigation not an indictment. There does not need to be smoking gun evidence to launch an investigation. You're arguing in bad faith.

[gtn130]

Walls are closing in on our guy. The CFO immunity thing is a big deal

No. It isn't.

Read on Twitter

True. Things that are a big deal: unmasking, FISA warrant application protocol, email server management

[nate33]

I love how the conservatives keep arguing each leaf, while trying to pretend the forest doesn’t exist. They scream “there is no evidence” during an investigation, as if they have seen the facts of the case. They scream one thing Trump said isn’t racist, as if Trump didn’t put c for colored on rental applications; as if his father wasn’t in the KKK; as if he didn’t call Nazis good people; as if he hasn’t been called out for using the n-word; as if he didn’t invent birtherism; as if he didn’t hire Steve Bannon to fan an Arian firestorm. They keep laser focused on spinning each lie, as if the preseident doesn’t lie seven times a day (things that are provably untrue).

Global warming isn’t a hoax. Wealth inequality is killing us. Robots are only going to make that gap worse. Tax cuts for the rich doubly so, when that bill comes. Destroying our alliance with the European Union (to help Trump cozy up to a dicatator like Putin, for his own personal gain) is treason.

Okay. So because you disagree with Trump's policies, it's perfectly okay to investigate him in perpetuity throughout his presidency in the hopes of finding something impeachable. That's essentially what you are saying.

Any of you on the right who dare call yourselves Christians ought to be publically shamed. You’re as much like Christ as the Catholic Church. Christ didn’t tote guns; didn’t grab women by the pussy and purposefully spy on teenage girls changing; didn’t lie with every breath; didn’t tell the sick to work harder or die; didn’t build a wall to keep out the poor from working for a living, and he certainly believed that the rich were going to Hell. It’s your book. Do us all a favor and follow your own rules, rather than pretending the rules match your greedy, hateful, petty egos and wants.

Welcome to the new rules. We're not letting your Alinksy tactics work anymore. Democrats can lie, cheat, steal, sexually harass and rape and they're not held accountable; but they immediately start talking about Jesus when our side does the same thing. Screw that. We're not going to let Trump's infidelities prevent us from implementing our agenda. Your cynical appeal to our morality isn't going to work anymore. Bend over and take it.

[nate33]

You've acknowledged there was a crime involving Russian election interference. There is ample reason to believe members of the Trump campaign were party to that crime. Trump fired the guy investigating the crime and explained on national TV that he fired the guy because he was investigating it.

This isn't difficult.

No. There isn't ample evidence. And the indictment against the Russians was very clear in stating that there is no allegation than any U.S. citizens were involved in the crime.

I said ample reason to believe. We're talking about the run-up to an investigation not an indictment. There does not need to be smoking gun evidence to launch an investigation. You're arguing in bad faith.

LOL. Do you think these are magic words or something?

You haven't made a good faith argument since joining this board. You can barely make a post with leveling a personal insult on someone.

[stilldropin20]

The heart of the investigation is to figure out what went on at the Russian meeting at Trump Tower, if there were other meetings between the Campaign and Russia, if there were other communications with Russians, etc. because the figurative smoking gun in this case is that in October 2016, Trump shifted course on his campaigning to specifically focus on states where Hilary decided to forego (without knowledge that Hilary was skipping stops) in an act of coincidence so large that it calls into question whether those moves were motivated by information gathered via hacked emails.

That's a new and absurd theory. Are you serious? You think that Trump changed campaign tactics because of information they hacked out of the DNC server? Isn't it much easier to believe that Trump's internal polling showed that Michigan was in play? And Republicans always spend time in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

yeah i let that one go because it was so odd. even CNN's phony polls said those were in play for someone with a no quitting attitude like trump. and Trump didn't get discouraged from polls that said he was 4-5 points down a week before the election. Trump even went to mexico to meet with the mexican president. he went to african american neighborhoods in michigan where he was only getting 4-5% at the time. turned that into 8% and might be as high as 21-36% right now depending on the poll you believe.


Trump wasn't discouraged. He looked at them as in play, got on his plance and made 3-4 stops per day in front of 10,000 people or more at each state and as Barrack Obama advised him, he "went and made his case to the american people." Obama: the unintentional comedic gift that keeps on giving.

We the people voted trump into office in a landslide electoral victory and he will win by even larger margin right now. We know all about stormy and mcdougal and the payments and dont care. so NO EFFECT on the election. We are and would have still voted for him. Nobody in their right mind would vote trump out of office right now....not anyone who cares about their job market and wages and take home pay, their children's jobs market, future jobs market. As well as their savings in the stock market. their house value.