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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#701 » by JohnStarksTheDunk » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:30 pm

At this point, it's unclear just how much Weisselberg agreed to provide. All we know thus far is that he was granted immunity by federal investigators in NY (which is not the same as working with Mueller) in exchange for his testimony about his role in the hush money payments. David Pecker was given the same thing. It is not yet clear if the information Weisselberg provided was used to help charge Cohen, or to support Cohen's statements/evidence, or as part of something larger.

We don't yet know if he has been asked to cooperate in other ways, or if prosecutors have/had additional leverage over him to force full cooperation on all matters.

Of course, if he has agreed to pretty much give them EVERYTHING he knows about Trump, then Trump is basically done.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#702 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:49 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Trump is finished now. It is just a matter of how his demise plays out, but he will not survive this.

Weisselberg is literally the whole tamale. With him you've got Trump on both State and Federal, financial fraud and treason.

As we can see from this week, there was a huge backlog of built-up evidentiary material that is now resulting in critical mass and the domino effect whereby anybody who does not take a plea deal will go to prison. It is as simple as that.

What that means is Kushner, Trump Jr. and Ivanka's time to decide if they want to sink with their father is rapidly approaching.

This carpet bombing will not relent. Roger Stone is on deck with Assange. There are many conspiracies to be revealed involving not just Russia, but any number of Middle Eastern countries from the Saudis, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar. This is a smorgasbord of crime.

Perhaps now doubters understand why I was so confident this was being timed to precede the mid-terms. Trump might not even survive that long, but he surely will not serve out his term at this rate.


Like when the feds got Capone's accountant.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#703 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:52 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:At this point, it's unclear just how much Weisselberg agreed to provide. All we know thus far is that he was granted immunity by federal investigators in NY (which is not the same as working with Mueller) in exchange for his testimony about his role in the hush money payments. David Pecker was given the same thing. It is not yet clear if the information Weisselberg provided was used to help charge Cohen, or to support Cohen's statements/evidence, or as part of something larger.

We don't yet know if he has been asked to cooperate in other ways, or if prosecutors have/had additional leverage over him to force full cooperation on all matters.

Of course, if he has agreed to pretty much give them EVERYTHING he knows about Trump, then Trump is basically done.


I'm sure he agreed to provide whatever they want. That's the only way to get full immunity. He must've already told them what they wanted to hear.

Trust me, Mueller is knows everything that's going on whether it's in NY or DC. All these prosecutions are each bricks in Mueller's wall.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#704 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:54 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, granted Immunity In Cohen Investigation. This guy knows where all the bodies are buried.



This is what happens when your way of operating your business for basically your entire life is by screwing people over and showing zero concern for ethics, along with throwing people under the bus multiple times over the years. All these insiders like Cohen and Weisselberg, Pecker etc know what a venal, vindictive and selfish pr*ck Trump is and know that he'd either do nothing to save them, or actually actively try to screw them to save himself.

That and they are aware of Trump's misdeeds and participated in them and realize they'll be going to jail for a looonnnnggggg time if they don't cooperate.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#705 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:54 pm

Malcolm Nance says this will turn into a RICO case before all is said and done.

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#706 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:00 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, granted Immunity In Cohen Investigation. This guy knows where all the bodies are buried.



This is what happens when your way of operating your business for basically your entire life is by screwing people over and showing zero concern for ethics, along with throwing people under the bus multiple times over the years. All these insiders like Cohen and Weisselberg, Pecker etc know what a venal, vindictive and selfish pr*ck Trump is and know that he'd either do nothing to save them, or actually actively try to screw them to save himself.

That and they are aware of Trump's misdeeds and participated in them and realize they'll be going to jail for a looonnnnggggg time if they don't cooperate.


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#707 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:06 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:At this point, it's unclear just how much Weisselberg agreed to provide. All we know thus far is that he was granted immunity by federal investigators in NY (which is not the same as working with Mueller) in exchange for his testimony about his role in the hush money payments. David Pecker was given the same thing. It is not yet clear if the information Weisselberg provided was used to help charge Cohen, or to support Cohen's statements/evidence, or as part of something larger.

We don't yet know if he has been asked to cooperate in other ways, or if prosecutors have/had additional leverage over him to force full cooperation on all matters.

Of course, if he has agreed to pretty much give them EVERYTHING he knows about Trump, then Trump is basically done.


This is all about what Mueller gets. NYS & the Feds are joined at the hip now. If he got immunity, it means he doesn't get to pick and choose about what he discloses.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#708 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:09 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Malcolm Nance says this will turn into a RICO case before all is said and done.



Yep, I've been saying that for over a year now. And the GOP and the NRA may become RICO defendants too, not just the Trump Organization.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#709 » by JohnStarksTheDunk » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:09 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:At this point, it's unclear just how much Weisselberg agreed to provide. All we know thus far is that he was granted immunity by federal investigators in NY (which is not the same as working with Mueller) in exchange for his testimony about his role in the hush money payments. David Pecker was given the same thing. It is not yet clear if the information Weisselberg provided was used to help charge Cohen, or to support Cohen's statements/evidence, or as part of something larger.

We don't yet know if he has been asked to cooperate in other ways, or if prosecutors have/had additional leverage over him to force full cooperation on all matters.

Of course, if he has agreed to pretty much give them EVERYTHING he knows about Trump, then Trump is basically done.


I'm sure he agreed to provide whatever they want. That's the only way to get full immunity. He must've already told them what they wanted to hear.

Trust me, Mueller is knows everything that's going on whether it's in NY or DC. All these prosecutions are each bricks in Mueller's wall.


Yeah, I was actually just reading that this means Weisselberg has likely agreed to provide full cooperation to ANY Dept of Justice component, which would obviously include Mueller's investigation. So it appears I spoke a little too soon.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#710 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:11 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Trump Organization CFO, Allen Weisselberg, granted Immunity In Cohen Investigation. This guy knows where all the bodies are buried.



This is what happens when your way of operating your business for basically your entire life is by screwing people over and showing zero concern for ethics, along with throwing people under the bus multiple times over the years. All these insiders like Cohen and Weisselberg, Pecker etc know what a venal, vindictive and selfish pr*ck Trump is and know that he'd either do nothing to save them, or actually actively try to screw them to save himself.

That and they are aware of Trump's misdeeds and participated in them and realize they'll be going to jail for a looonnnnggggg time if they don't cooperate.


Come on admit it. You just cut and paste the definition of Karma from Webster's didn't you?
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#711 » by Pointgod » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:49 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Malcolm Nance says this will turn into a RICO case before all is said and done.



Yep, I've been saying that for over a year now. And the GOP and the NRA may become RICO defendants too, not just the Trump Organization.

If we were only so fortunate to see the demise of both organizations.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#712 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:16 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Malcolm Nance says this will turn into a RICO case before all is said and done.



Yep, I've been saying that for over a year now. And the GOP and the NRA may become RICO defendants too, not just the Trump Organization.

If we were only so fortunate to see the dentist of both organizations.


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#713 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:29 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
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Yep, I've been saying that for over a year now. And the GOP and the NRA may become RICO defendants too, not just the Trump Organization.

If we were only so fortunate to see the dentist of both organizations.


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#714 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:30 pm

I still can’t believe Trump’s tax returns haven’t been leaked.


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#715 » by Fat Kat » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:09 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Jeff Sessions Rejects Trump’s Latest Attack, Says Justice Dept. Will Not Be Influenced by Politics

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/politics/trump-flipping-cohen-manafort.html


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#716 » by Capn'O » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:22 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:Jeff Sessions Rejects Trump’s Latest Attack, Says Justice Dept. Will Not Be Influenced by Politics

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/politics/trump-flipping-cohen-manafort.html


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#717 » by GONYK » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:43 pm

President Donald Trump’s lawyers and a cadre of informal White House advisers claim they’ve convinced him not to pardon Paul Manafort — but White House officials expect the president to do it anyway.

The president’s characterization of his former campaign chairman as a victim and “brave man” is being read by aides as a signal that Trump wants to use his unilateral authority to issue pardons to absolve Manafort, according to eight current and former administration officials and outside advisers.

“Trump is setting it up. He’s referring to the investigation as a ‘witch hunt’ and saying this never would have happened to an aide to Hillary Clinton,” said one former campaign official.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/24/trump-manafort-pardon-white-house-aides-795712
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Post#718 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:59 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Jeff Sessions Rejects Trump’s Latest Attack, Says Justice Dept. Will Not Be Influenced by Politics

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/us/politics/trump-flipping-cohen-manafort.html


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#719 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:03 am

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President Donald Trump’s lawyers and a cadre of informal White House advisers claim they’ve convinced him not to pardon Paul Manafort — but White House officials expect the president to do it anyway.

The president’s characterization of his former campaign chairman as a victim and “brave man” is being read by aides as a signal that Trump wants to use his unilateral authority to issue pardons to absolve Manafort, according to eight current and former administration officials and outside advisers.

“Trump is setting it up. He’s referring to the investigation as a ‘witch hunt’ and saying this never would have happened to an aide to Hillary Clinton,” said one former campaign official.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/24/trump-manafort-pardon-white-house-aides-795712


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#720 » by E86 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:49 am

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That's how you fight crime. Mueller was the 2nd longest serving FBI Director and he dismantled mafia organizations in the same way.

Since Trump, Cohen and Manafort have long been in bed with mobsters IN ADDITION TO BEING TRAITORS, there is nothing tainted about the investigation.

You attack one set of crimes to get leverage to prosecute the other set of crimes.

Unless you are also saying you don't care if Trump and his associates committed treason in which case you are free to also say right now that you don't care if they committed treason. That's fine. If the shoe fits, then wear it.

But there is nothing UNFAIR about this investigation. They are serial criminals being dismantled by professional crime fighters.


And torture works on black sites to get accurate information from enemies of the state.

If you fight crime by going after Russian collusion and some how end up prosecuting a bunch of unrelated crimes while squeezing desperate informants for information that may or may not be accurate then the system needs changing. Fast.

The last thing democracy needs is a gestapo like agency that can destroy people’s lives and operates independently without elected officials.

The FBI has always been a **** show. Since J Edgar. **** the police.


Perhaps you don't understand how judges had to approve warrants. The judges are a check and balance.

Wrong agency though. Mueller is working inside the DOJ now which is not the same thing as running the FBI. He has a boss called Rod Rosenstein. Jeff Sessions, the head of the DOJ, just came out and said he will not interfere with justice.

You can rage about your favorite person being unfairly treated all you want, but nothing you're saying indicates you have any interest in actual justice being rendered. You just don't want your guy to get popped.

That has nothing to do with you having higher principles and being interested in freedom. If you were so interested in freedom, you'd want this kind of corruption exposed and brought to justice.

Nothing changes the facts that already multiple witnesses are going to testify in court Trump committed treason.

If you actually cared about justice, you'd be against a president committing treason.

So it is a simple question:

Will you state that you will support Trump even with irrefutable proof that he committed treason?

And, no, you don't get to qualify that by saying you would if the methods of investigation were legit, because Trump has implicated himself every step of the way. Only a bonehead investigator would have a hard time proving Trump's guilt. No malfeasance is required to pursue this case.

And your use of historical terms is also very confused.

The Gestapo did not function with any due process. There were no checks and balances to hold the gestapo accountable. Calling Mueller the Gestapo is laughable. Mueller has demonstrated he will proceed in a non-partisan fashion and has already referred Democrats for possible prosecution. Does the name Podesta mean anything to you? Yeah, well he's in trouble too.

As far as your recommendations that defendants not be squeezed by prosecutors, that's just silly. You received about ten responses that threw that misguided complaint back in your face. Why don't you reply to each of those too and see where that gets you? You clearly don't know what you're talking about and how our legal system functions. You're pretending this is not the way it should be done. You're living in a fairytale if you actually believe that.


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