Wizards interested in trading for knicks guard cortney lee per legion hoops tweet august 18 2018

[taj2133]

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It has seemed obvious for a while... Bradley Beal is on the trading block.

If I had to guess, the idea is to get rid of Beal, take back a short-term contract like Courtney Lee's, & then sign Cousins next off season.

Shortly thereafter will come a total rebuild -- by a different GM one would hope. More likely by Ernie, however, given Ted's love of mediocrity.

[Ruzious]

Lol, Ross' sources are the man in the moon and the tooth fairy. He's trying to get twitter hits and made it up.

[nate33]

The only way this deal would make any sense from our standpoint is if we're trading Mahinmi for Lee. That might actually make sense for New York if New York does indeed stretch Noah.

[80sballboy]

I don't believe this for a second. Unless they are trading Oubre? Or going to play Lee and Rivers in the backcourt, maybe dealing Sato or just benching him? I doubt they take Mahinmi but if they did, sure, it's a no-brainer.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/08/20/new-york-knicks-courtney-lee-nba-trade-rumors/

[taj2133]

i believe the trade would be for jason smith and jodie meeks for lee

[80sballboy]

i believe the trade would be for jason smith and jodie meeks for lee

Lee is making $12.2M this year and $12.7 next year. They would need to trade more than Smith ($5.4) and Meeks ($3.4 -19 games so about $2.7). Don't think Ted pays that extra lux tax. Unless PIF is right, that we are trading Beal. Lee is gone in two years and then they groom Brown and possibly Oubre if they re-sign him to play the win.

[NatP4]

LOL. What is this?

That's just some twitter idiot searching for clicks.

[Dark Faze]

not happening

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Courtney Lee 5 years ago would have been a decent get.

That’s why I thInk Ernie will make this happen....

Three years from now.

[80sballboy]

Courtney Lee 5 years ago would have been a decent get.

That’s why I thInk Ernie will make this happen....

Three years from now.

Actually, he can help now. As a guy coming off the bench, making 40.6% of his three-point shots and 40.2% the year before with a TS% of 56.4%.

[nuposse04]

id trade rivers for him straight up. That would make sense. Mostly cause i detest rivers.

[pcbothwel]

id trade rivers for him straight up. That would make sense. Mostly cause i detest rivers.

God no. You can argue that Lee is better, but not another year at 12M?!?

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i believe the trade would be for jason smith and jodie meeks for lee

Lee is making $12.2M this year and $12.7 next year. They would need to trade more than Smith ($5.4) and Meeks ($3.4 -19 games so about $2.7). Don't think Ted pays that extra lux tax. Unless PIF is right, that we are trading Beal. Lee is gone in two years and then they groom Brown and possibly Oubre if they re-sign him to play the wing.

It's just a rumor, as folks have pointed out. But if the rumor has any substance, it can only be b/c we're trying to deal Brad & his big salary. Even if Beal isn't part of the deal for Lee.

Mahinmi for Lee would be fine, obviously. How about Beal for Lee & the Knicks' 2019 R1 pick.

Smith/Meeks won't work as you point out -- there is no way we can add a $12.7m player next year.

Again, if Beal is on the block it's seems likely it's to make room for DeMarcus Cousins. More marketing-driven personnel decisions. Stupid...

But, it's only a rumor.

[Illmatic12]

i believe the trade would be for jason smith and jodie meeks for lee

Lee is making $12.2M this year and $12.7 next year. They would need to trade more than Smith ($5.4) and Meeks ($3.4 -19 games so about $2.7). Don't think Ted pays that extra lux tax. Unless PIF is right, that we are trading Beal. Lee is gone in two years and then they groom Brown and possibly Oubre if they re-sign him to play the wing.

It's just a rumor, as folks have pointed out. But if the rumor has any substance, it can only be b/c we're trying to deal Brad & his big salary. Even if Beal isn't part of the deal for Lee.

Mahinmi for Lee would be fine, obviously. How about Beal for Lee & the Knicks' 2019 R1 pick.

Smith/Meeks won't work as you point out -- there is no way we can add a $12.7m player next year.

Again, if Beal is on the block it's seems likely it's to make room for DeMarcus Cousins. More marketing-driven personnel decisions. Stupid...

But, it's only a rumor.

Think it should be pointed out that there's never been any indication that the Wizards want to acquire Cousins (even when he was healthy).

Sources close to the team - including J Michael who is something of a mouthpiece for the FO - have implied that the Wizards are one of those teams with a "no Cousins policy "and they have no interest in ever bringing him here. Obviously we know that John is close with Boogie and would like to get him in the future. But from the front office's perspective there's never been any interest in Boogie at all.

[doclinkin]

i believe the trade would be for jason smith and jodie meeks for lee

Lee is making $12.2M this year and $12.7 next year. They would need to trade more than Smith ($5.4) and Meeks ($3.4 -19 games so about $2.7). Don't think Ted pays that extra lux tax. Unless PIF is right, that we are trading Beal. Lee is gone in two years and then they groom Brown and possibly Oubre if they re-sign him to play the wing.

It's just a rumor, as folks have pointed out. But if the rumor has any substance, it can only be b/c we're trying to deal Brad & his big salary. Even if Beal isn't part of the deal for Lee.

Mahinmi for Lee would be fine, obviously. How about Beal for Lee & the Knicks' 2019 R1 pick.

I doubt Brad is on the block. So far this team is all in on John + Brad. Merchandise, promotion, etc. Especially not for Boogie who is a free agent next year, coming off an injury this year, and a notable bad actor. IF it were for Boogie, the push would be to placate John Wall, but we added Howard as our 'athletic big' as his offseason request, and have to see how it plays out. Nah, that's a loopy pessimists view of this whisper.

So. I doubt there's substance to the Wiz involvement, this one, likely floated by the Knicks to drive interest in the market.

But pretending its credible. I think I liked it. The Knicks are in a rebuilding phase, and the Wiz are always in a win-now, sorta, kinda, why not, phase. With LeBJ out and us capped out and in Lux land the FO could see this as a chance to win an extra round in the playoffs, since we are cashed out anyway might as well look like we are trying to win with the $.

Lee is a solid 3&D team player. Putting in good work defending positions 1-3. Offensively he's an excellent fit next to John. Lee is one of the better catch and shoot players in the league. We add another player to spread the floor, giving Howard room and time to operate down low without the 2nd defender to swipe the ball away. And with an outside in attack there's nobody underneath to hedge against his the roll to interior. John, Brad, Lee, Otto, Howard gives us a dominant mismatch in speed at PG, power at Center, and 3pt shooting outside to provide options on the drive and kick.

Our 2nd unit backcourt is also realistically deep with this add. The backcourt bench has been an achilles heel for us, we build leads with our starters then lose them when we go to the reserves. The blame is most often due to a dogs breakfast of PG/2G options. We've never had a realistic back up for Brad at shooting guard. Not ever. So he ends up playing far too many minutes, and as the only option with the 2nd unit he has to run through so many screens to even catch the ball and get free. Here we may not have to play him, or of we do its as a decoy to overload defense in his direction but expose attackers elsewhere. Everybody eats worked okay until scouts realized that Brad as primary ballhandler plus best option on offense was a liability. Double him and we got nothin.

Adding Lee helps a bit. Gives options.

Saty & Lee are a good mesh with each other. Feisty defenders. One a pass first glue guy with drive & kick instincts, he has a savvy that makes up for his 2nd tier athleticism (*). The other a 2nd tier offensive option but a smart off ball player. I've been curious for a while about seeing if we can try Otto in a 2nd line-up and ask him to be lead dog on finding his own offense there. Surrounding him with similar tough defenders and unselfish passers seems like he may rise to the challenge.

(* and actually, the same can be said about rookie Troy Brown. I can see a few small ball line-ups mixing the rookie/bench/starters, as interchangeable parts to keep players fresh).

Saty/Troy --IQ passing, leadership,
Brad -- 3ball, seeming star, off ball decoy.
Lee -- 3ball
Otto -- 3ball, crash forward, backdoor, offensive rebounding
Kieff/Jeff -- midrange low-post junk, JG: Georgetown back door putback work same as Otto --
Or with a true big: TBJr --3 ball big man, spoon-fed by savvy veterans.

Seems like a solid "Everybody Eats" team.

Having zero depth behind Howard though (with Ian gone) would mean Thomas Bryant Jr is our only back-up 5. But if he develops like I hope then that's not a bad thing. He needs minutes and reps and savvy veterans around him to help him find his position and role on the floor. Playing with Saty Otto Lee and even Journeyman Jeff with his Georgetown/Princeton offense training, seem like a good fit next to a Big with range.

[stilldropin20]

would you guys take zach lavine for beal?

[Illmatic12]

would you guys take zach lavine for beal?

Cmon man.. what?

Post this on the Bulls board and see whether your fellow fans think this is reasonable

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Lee is making $12.2M this year and $12.7 next year. They would need to trade more than Smith ($5.4) and Meeks ($3.4 -19 games so about $2.7). Don't think Ted pays that extra lux tax. Unless PIF is right, that we are trading Beal. Lee is gone in two years and then they groom Brown and possibly Oubre if they re-sign him to play the wing.

It's just a rumor, as folks have pointed out. But if the rumor has any substance, it can only be b/c we're trying to deal Brad & his big salary. Even if Beal isn't part of the deal for Lee.

Mahinmi for Lee would be fine, obviously. How about Beal for Lee & the Knicks' 2019 R1 pick.

I doubt Brad is on the block. So far this team is all in on John + Brad. Merchandise, promotion, etc. Especially not for Boogie who is a free agent next year, coming off an injury this year, and a notable bad actor. IF it were for Boogie, the push would be to placate John Wall, but we added Howard as our 'athletic big' as his offseason request, and have to see how it plays out. Nah, that's a loopy pessimists view of this whisper.

So. I doubt there's substance to the Wiz involvement, this one, likely floated by the Knicks to drive interest in the market.

But pretending its credible. I think I liked it. The Knicks are in a rebuilding phase, and the Wiz are always in a win-now, sorta, kinda, why not, phase. With LeBJ out and us capped out and in Lux land the FO could see this as a chance to win an extra round in the playoffs, since we are cashed out anyway might as well look like we are trying to win with the $.

Lee is a solid 3&D team player. Putting in good work defending positions 1-3. Offensively he's an excellent fit next to John. Lee is one of the better catch and shoot players in the league. We add another player to spread the floor, giving Howard room and time to operate down low without the 2nd defender to swipe the ball away. And with an outside in attack there's nobody underneath to hedge against his the roll to interior. John, Brad, Lee, Otto, Howard gives us a dominant mismatch in speed at PG, power at Center, and 3pt shooting outside to provide options on the drive and kick.

Our 2nd unit backcourt is also realistically deep with this add. The backcourt bench has been an achilles heel for us, we build leads with our starters then lose them when we go to the reserves. The blame is most often due to a dogs breakfast of PG/2G options. We've never had a realistic back up for Brad at shooting guard. Not ever. So he ends up playing far too many minutes, and as the only option with the 2nd unit he has to run through so many screens to even catch the ball and get free. Here we may not have to play him, or of we do its as a decoy to overload defense in his direction but expose attackers elsewhere. Everybody eats worked okay until scouts realized that Brad as primary ballhandler plus best option on offense was a liability. Double him and we got nothin.

Adding Lee helps a bit. Gives options.

Saty & Lee are a good mesh with each other. Feisty defenders. One a pass first glue guy with drive & kick instincts, he has a savvy that makes up for his 2nd tier athleticism (*). The other a 2nd tier offensive option but a smart off ball player. I've been curious for a while about seeing if we can try Otto in a 2nd line-up and ask him to be lead dog on finding his own offense there. Surrounding him with similar tough defenders and unselfish passers seems like he may rise to the challenge.

(* and actually, the same can be said about rookie Troy Brown. I can see a few small ball line-ups mixing the rookie/bench/starters, as interchangeable parts to keep players fresh).

Saty/Troy --IQ passing, leadership,
Brad -- 3ball, seeming star, off ball decoy.
Lee -- 3ball
Otto -- 3ball, crash forward, backdoor, offensive rebounding
Kieff/Jeff -- midrange low-post junk, JG: Georgetown back door putback work same as Otto --
Or with a true big: TBJr --3 ball big man, spoon-fed by savvy veterans.

Seems like a solid "Everybody Eats" team.

Having zero depth behind Howard though (with Ian gone) would mean Thomas Bryant Jr is our only back-up 5. But if he develops like I hope then that's not a bad thing. He needs minutes and reps and savvy veterans around him to help him find his position and role on the floor. Playing with Saty Otto Lee and even Journeyman Jeff with his Georgetown/Princeton offense training, seem like a good fit next to a Big with range.

I wasn't suggesting that trading Beal would be to bring us Cousins now, but that trading him would open salary for next year when we'd sign him as a FA. Just a thought, however, & it may be true that we have zero interest in Cousins.

I love your non-Rivers rotation, doc.

I agree that Courtney Lee is a good player.

The hidden benefit here is getting Thomas Bryant on the floor. Some here have no idea how good this kid can be. In my book, he's a lock to be the next Thomas Bryant -- & you know how high I am on him, right?

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't believe this for a second. Unless they are trading Oubre? Or going to play Lee and Rivers in the backcourt, maybe dealing Sato or just benching him? I doubt they take Mahinmi but if they did, sure, it's a no-brainer.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/08/20/new-york-knicks-courtney-lee-nba-trade-rumors/

I doubt anything happens and have no idea if there is or isn't any substance behind the rumor. I also don't see why Mahinmi as the centerpiece for Courtney Lee would be so out there, nor do I even see why it would spell the end of Beal in Washington, as a few here are suggesting. The real fear I'd have is that Ernie would do something like Mahinmi, Oubre and a pick for Lee and Lance Thomas or something like that. That kind of trade would absolutely help the Wizards this coming season (by how much is up in the air, but it would help), while getting older, complicating the ongoing tax crunch and mortgaging the potential for ongoing success - basically sounds like an Ernie move across the board.