Luka Doncic Part III

[XTraderXL]

I think this was actually a great experience for him because now he knows he has to take better care of his body, needs to work more on his fitness and not to eat crappy food in Mexican restaurants and drink Cola every day if he wants to stay in shape during the whole season. His body not looking great was my criticism of him even before the Eurobasket.

One of his friends and his teammate on Slovenian NT told me that Luka went to fitness exactly one time this past season (he thought it affected his shooting). His trening was also meh. If he commits to transforming his body he very well could end up as the best European player of all time.

I actually dont doubt that he was not really working too hard this past season. I mentioned it in the other thread about him many times last season. As the season went on, his body was getting worse and worse and by the end of the season he looked completely out of shape and perfromance dropped significantly in the second half of the season. I have been claiming that his shot % went down because he got physically worse and I was speculating that the Reals coaches are not doing their job as they should so what you are saying makes total sense.

I also think that lifting weights ruins your shot is a myth, especially with Yugo coaches. Weightlifting doesnt hurt your shot if you dont exaggerate, it actually improves it.

As I have been saying whole season, its all about him being physically in best possible shape if he wants to be a great player. He will have to work harder than most other players because he is just not as physically gifted. It will take a lot of discipline so we will see. I wont knock him too much if his first season isnt very good because he will play against top level athletes for the first time every single game. He will see how he prepared he has to be and will have more than enough time after this season to really get ready for his second NBA season. If he is not going to be readyph ysically a year from now, then it will be a problem.

We will just have to wait and see what happens, its going to be very interesting....

[3baller9]

I was really surprised and disapponted to hear that something like this goes on in a club as big as Real. On the other hand knowing this gets me even more excited to see what else Luka can do with the right coaching. Can't wait.

[Archx]

I think this was actually a great experience for him because now he knows he has to take better care of his body, needs to work more on his fitness and not to eat crappy food in Mexican restaurants and drink Cola every day if he wants to stay in shape during the whole season. His body not looking great was my criticism of him even before the Eurobasket.

One of his friends and his teammate on Slovenian NT told me that Luka went to fitness exactly one time this past season (he thought it affected his shooting). His trening was also meh. If he commits to transforming his body he very well could end up as the best European player of all time.

I actually dont doubt that he was not really working too hard this past season. I mentioned it in the other thread about him many times last season. As the season went on, his body was getting worse and worse and by the end of the season he looked completely out of shape and perfromance dropped significantly in the second half of the season. I have been claiming that his shot % went down because he got physically worse and I was speculating that the Reals coaches are not doing their job as they should so what you are saying makes total sense.

I also think that lifting weights ruins your shot is a myth, especially with Yugo coaches. Weightlifting doesnt hurt your shot if you dont exaggerate, it actually improves it.

As I have been saying whole season, its all about him being physically in best possible shape if he wants to be a great player. He will have to work harder than most other players because he is just not as physically gifted. It will take a lot of discipline so we will see. I wont knock him too much if his first season isnt very good because he will play against top level athletes for the first time every single game. He will see how he prepared he has to be and will have more than enough time after this season to really get ready for his second NBA season. If he is not going to be readyph ysically a year from now, then it will be a problem.

We will just have to wait and see what happens, its going to be very interesting....

I mentioned this in Dallas thread that Luka has been slacking a lot while others are already training hard and i was told by 2 of his most trusted followers that i was crazy

It is freaking visibly noticeable that he is not even remotely in the right shape to go through the hard NBA season. He won't last 82 games with 30 mins per game, no chance. I have no clue why he waited this long to start with fitness program. I work out i know how long and what it takes to be in great shape but he also needs to get his conditioning in check. At the end of Madrid's season he was really tired. NBA league will drain his energy even more.

[juanc]

One of his friends and his teammate on Slovenian NT told me that Luka went to fitness exactly one time this past season (he thought it affected his shooting). His trening was also meh. If he commits to transforming his body he very well could end up as the best European player of all time.

I actually dont doubt that he was not really working too hard this past season. I mentioned it in the other thread about him many times last season. As the season went on, his body was getting worse and worse and by the end of the season he looked completely out of shape and perfromance dropped significantly in the second half of the season. I have been claiming that his shot % went down because he got physically worse and I was speculating that the Reals coaches are not doing their job as they should so what you are saying makes total sense.

I also think that lifting weights ruins your shot is a myth, especially with Yugo coaches. Weightlifting doesnt hurt your shot if you dont exaggerate, it actually improves it.

As I have been saying whole season, its all about him being physically in best possible shape if he wants to be a great player. He will have to work harder than most other players because he is just not as physically gifted. It will take a lot of discipline so we will see. I wont knock him too much if his first season isnt very good because he will play against top level athletes for the first time every single game. He will see how he prepared he has to be and will have more than enough time after this season to really get ready for his second NBA season. If he is not going to be readyph ysically a year from now, then it will be a problem.

We will just have to wait and see what happens, its going to be very interesting....

I mentioned this in Dallas thread that Luka has been slacking a lot while others are already training hard and i was told by 2 of his most trusted followers that i was crazy

It is freaking visibly noticeable that he is not even remotely in the right shape to go through the hard NBA season. He won't last 82 games with 30 mins per game, no chance. I have no clue why he waited this long to start with fitness program. I work out i know how long and what it takes to be in great shape but he also needs to get his conditioning in check. At the end of Madrid's season he was really tired. NBA league will drain his energy even more.

It wasn't sarcasm? :O
The season was over in march for almost all the other prospects in this draft.. Luka was playing his last game 2 days before the draft... And Luka is training with P3 now, so I think it won't be an issue

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And Luka is training with P3 now, so I think it won't be an issue

I hope you are right, other players or specifically rookies will be going after him.

[XTraderXL]

One of his friends and his teammate on Slovenian NT told me that Luka went to fitness exactly one time this past season (he thought it affected his shooting). His trening was also meh. If he commits to transforming his body he very well could end up as the best European player of all time.

I actually dont doubt that he was not really working too hard this past season. I mentioned it in the other thread about him many times last season. As the season went on, his body was getting worse and worse and by the end of the season he looked completely out of shape and perfromance dropped significantly in the second half of the season. I have been claiming that his shot % went down because he got physically worse and I was speculating that the Reals coaches are not doing their job as they should so what you are saying makes total sense.

I also think that lifting weights ruins your shot is a myth, especially with Yugo coaches. Weightlifting doesnt hurt your shot if you dont exaggerate, it actually improves it.

As I have been saying whole season, its all about him being physically in best possible shape if he wants to be a great player. He will have to work harder than most other players because he is just not as physically gifted. It will take a lot of discipline so we will see. I wont knock him too much if his first season isnt very good because he will play against top level athletes for the first time every single game. He will see how he prepared he has to be and will have more than enough time after this season to really get ready for his second NBA season. If he is not going to be readyph ysically a year from now, then it will be a problem.

We will just have to wait and see what happens, its going to be very interesting....

I mentioned this in Dallas thread that Luka has been slacking a lot while others are already training hard and i was told by 2 of his most trusted followers that i was crazy

It is freaking visibly noticeable that he is not even remotely in the right shape to go through the hard NBA season. He won't last 82 games with 30 mins per game, no chance. I have no clue why he waited this long to start with fitness program. I work out i know how long and what it takes to be in great shape but he also needs to get his conditioning in check. At the end of Madrid's season he was really tired. NBA league will drain his energy even more.

He was already training before he went to Dallas so he didnt come there completely unprepared. But I also think he is nowhere near in shape he will need to be. He still has 2 more months to get ready and you can do a lot in 2 months.

[Johnny Firpo]

And Luka is training with P3 now, so I think it won't be an issue

I hope you are right, other players or specifically rookies will be going after him.

Why would they be going after him?

[Archx]

And Luka is training with P3 now, so I think it won't be an issue

I hope you are right, other players or specifically rookies will be going after him.

Why would they be going after him?

It really isn't that hard to figure out, is it? Most decorated rookie to come into the NBA at his age? TOP3 pick? Dunno... pick one.

[Johnny Firpo]

It really isn't that hard to figure out, is it? Most decorated rookie to come into the NBA at his age? TOP3 pick? Dunno... pick one.

There was a recent survey among rookies when they asked who will be ROY, who will have the most successful career, etc, have you read about that?

[Archx]

It really isn't that hard to figure out, is it? Most decorated rookie to come into the NBA at his age? TOP3 pick? Dunno... pick one.

There was a recent survey among rookies when they asked who will be ROY, who will have the most successful career, etc, have you read about that?

Why are you trying to take things so literally? Those were similar words or similar thinking that he himself expressed for our media... Don't know why are you trying to even argue this with me. He is most decorated european coming to the NBA for his age who has a lot to prove in the NBA, it's obvious that they will pay extra attention to him just like they will pay extra attention to guys like Ayton. It is common sense.

[BostonCouchGM]

Just rewatched Euroleague Finals... I wasn't impressed as he wasn't that dominant at all. He is not ball dominant player even though he listed as PG.

He is also better as a rebounder than as a passer.

agreed. People blame it on him being tired but it had as much to do with a higher level of competition and more attention being given to him. Something that pales in comparison to the ultra athletic wings he'll be facing in the NBA. I don't just think he's overrated, I think it's going to be jarring just how much once we see him playing regular season games. It's not to say he won't eventually be a contributor but he's 19 y/o, can't really shoot well from deep, can't put the ball on the deck well enough to get past NBA defenders and cannot guard anyone. Why are people expecting him to be ROTY and take the league by storm? And remember, when the Mavs are almost dead last in the standings, their lottery pick is likely going to the Hawks. Doncic basically needs to be generational for it to warrant two lottery picks.

You obviously havent watched the whole season. He played the same teams earlier in the season and dominated them but second part of the season he played much worse and was out of shape. Playing Fener in February and in May is the same level of competition and you have to know that EL is not like NBA, in EL the regular season games are actually competitive and they count for something. Of course in F4 the teams are even more focused but the difference is not as huge as NBA regular season games and the playoffs.

And if thats not good enough for you, how do you explain playing ACB teams with clearly inferior talent in early part of the season looking like LBJ and playing them in the second half in the season looking very average? Did those teams improve that much? It was clear to everyone who was watching that he was completely out of shape which started to show in late January/early February. His performances dropped off around that time, he started having minor injusries which he hasnt had before, was sick a couple of times and thats all because there was just too much put on him earlier in the season when half of the team was injured. He hasnt had any real time off since summer of 2016 and it all caught up to him. I actually called it at the end of December, predicted an injury in the next 2 weeks a week before it happened and this was not hard to do if you know what you are watching.

I think this was actually a great experience for him because now he knows he has to take better care of his body, needs to work more on his fitness and not to eat crappy food in Mexican restaurants and drink Cola every day if he wants to stay in shape during the whole season. His body not looking great was my criticism of him even before the Eurobasket.

And regarding his shot, you really dont know what you are talking about. You will be surprised how well he can shoot from deep. You seem to be one of those people who watch a couple of games, looks at the stats and make conclusions based on very limited info. Maybe I am wrong and you were following his career closely but in that case your knowledge of basketball is just very poor.

yeah, it can't possibly be because he's playing against G-League washouts, shot 31% from the closer 3 pt line, won't be able to defend his position whether that be the 1, 2, or 3 and lacks the athleticism to get his own shot. Nope. Must be my lack of basketball knowledge. I swear, a lot of people are going to get their comeuppance about their European golden boy and it's going to be a rude awakening.

[batigol18]

I mentioned this in Dallas thread that Luka has been slacking a lot while others are already training hard and i was told by 2 of his most trusted followers that i was crazy

It is freaking visibly noticeable that he is not even remotely in the right shape to go through the hard NBA season. He won't last 82 games with 30 mins per game, no chance. I have no clue why he waited this long to start with fitness program. I work out i know how long and what it takes to be in great shape but he also needs to get his conditioning in check. At the end of Madrid's season he was really tired. NBA league will drain his energy even more.

So according to your opinion Luka should just started to train without real summer break? Because it is funny to write how he had break while others had trained hard like they would all finish their season end of June like Luka did. Others rested two to three months by that time already...

[Archx]

I mentioned this in Dallas thread that Luka has been slacking a lot while others are already training hard and i was told by 2 of his most trusted followers that i was crazy

It is freaking visibly noticeable that he is not even remotely in the right shape to go through the hard NBA season. He won't last 82 games with 30 mins per game, no chance. I have no clue why he waited this long to start with fitness program. I work out i know how long and what it takes to be in great shape but he also needs to get his conditioning in check. At the end of Madrid's season he was really tired. NBA league will drain his energy even more.

So according to your opinion Luka should just started to train without real summer break? Because it is funny to write how he had break while others had trained hard like they would all finish their season end of June like Luka did. Others rested two to three months by that time already...

If you think that seasoned or even less experienced NBA or pro players go into full 2-3 months rest mode, then you are really naive. I only meant he could have started training earlier. IF he want's to be the guy who can carry a franchise for years to come, he will have to go full beast mode. No excuses. Unless Mavs training staff evaluated him and thought he is ready enough to have a big rest. But we don't know that and i highly doubt that is true, since he was really out of shape towards the end of Madrid's season.

[batigol18]

I mentioned this in Dallas thread that Luka has been slacking a lot while others are already training hard and i was told by 2 of his most trusted followers that i was crazy

It is freaking visibly noticeable that he is not even remotely in the right shape to go through the hard NBA season. He won't last 82 games with 30 mins per game, no chance. I have no clue why he waited this long to start with fitness program. I work out i know how long and what it takes to be in great shape but he also needs to get his conditioning in check. At the end of Madrid's season he was really tired. NBA league will drain his energy even more.

So according to your opinion Luka should just started to train without real summer break? Because it is funny to write how he had break while others had trained hard like they would all finish their season end of June like Luka did. Others rested two to three months by that time already...

If you think that seasoned or even less experienced NBA or pro players go into full 2-3 months rest mode, then you are really naive. I only meant he could have started training earlier. IF he want's to be the guy who can carry a franchise for years to come, he will have to go full beast mode. No excuses. Unless Mavs training staff evaluated him and thought he is ready enough to have a big rest. But we don't know that and i highly doubt that is true, since he was really out of shape towards the end of Madrid's season.

And how long was Doncic rest this season? Draft was end of June and after that he stayed and trained alone and with the Dallas team before and between Summer League. Went home after 14 days from draft and started with rest, that lasted maximum 1 month, probably even less.

Se tell me, when he should finish with rest to please you? And yes, his rest and starting of workouts was controlled by Maverics staff, not his own preference.

[Archx]

And how long was Doncic rest this season? Draft was end of June and after that he stayed and trained alone and with the Dallas team before and between Summer League. Went home after 14 days from draft and started with rest, that lasted maximum 1 month, probably even less.

Se tell me, when he should finish with rest to please you? And yes, his rest and starting of workouts was controlled by Maverics staff, not his own preference.

He had plenty of rest to start fitness program. The so called training with the Mavs were short shooting exercises it's completely different. And in a way you basically answered yourself. So i am not even in the mood to debate this kind of things into details because you can't reason with his die hard fans. But it is true that he had a lot of promotion work to do so that can be an excuse in his favor. Anyway, i know you will drag this forever so lets just leave as it is and we can only hope he can last full season.

[Johnny Firpo]

Why are you trying to take things so literally? Those were similar words or similar thinking that he himself expressed for our media... Don't know why are you trying to even argue this with me. He is most decorated european coming to the NBA for his age who has a lot to prove in the NBA, it's obvious that they will pay extra attention to him just like they will pay extra attention to guys like Ayton. It is common sense.

But that's my point, his fellow rookies don't even know him, they didn't rate him at all in that survey, does that tell you they will go extra hard on him? I guess we disagree then.

[Archx]

Why are you trying to take things so literally? Those were similar words or similar thinking that he himself expressed for our media... Don't know why are you trying to even argue this with me. He is most decorated european coming to the NBA for his age who has a lot to prove in the NBA, it's obvious that they will pay extra attention to him just like they will pay extra attention to guys like Ayton. It is common sense.

But that's my point, his fellow rookies don't even know him, they didn't rate him at all in that survey, does that tell you they will go extra hard on him? I guess we disagree then.

You also have a good point. Never said you were wrong. But the way he was hyped before and after the draft, i do believe they know him quite well by now. If they believe that he is as good as he is being presented? That's the real question. Apparently they don't since like you said, they didn't vote him to be ROY.

[batigol18]

And how long was Doncic rest this season? Draft was end of June and after that he stayed and trained alone and with the Dallas team before and between Summer League. Went home after 14 days from draft and started with rest, that lasted maximum 1 month, probably even less.

Se tell me, when he should finish with rest to please you? And yes, his rest and starting of workouts was controlled by Maverics staff, not his own preference.

He had plenty of rest to start fitness program. The so called training with the Mavs were short shooting exercises it's completely different. And in a way you basically answered yourself. So i am not even in the mood to debate this kind of things into details because you can't reason with his die hard fans. But it is true that he had a lot of promotion work to do so that can be an excuse in his favor. Anyway, i know you will drag this forever so lets just leave as it is and we can only hope he can last full season.

Great, you immediately turn this into “die hard fan”. I’m far away from this, I for sure won’t even wake up in the middle of the night to watch his games.

But you started this discussion, not me. So you can explain this “plenty of rest to start fitness program”. How much is this plenty for you? I mean in days or weeks.

I easily showed you that his rest was less than a month before he started again with trainings. As you called training with Dallas as not important, yes it wasn’t condition training, but it still posponed his post-season rest for additional 14 days. So how is this “nothing” as you would like to show?

What really bothered me with your post, is that you tried to show him as some lazy, uninterested guy for hard work. Which is very far from thruth...

[Archx]

And how long was Doncic rest this season? Draft was end of June and after that he stayed and trained alone and with the Dallas team before and between Summer League. Went home after 14 days from draft and started with rest, that lasted maximum 1 month, probably even less.

Se tell me, when he should finish with rest to please you? And yes, his rest and starting of workouts was controlled by Maverics staff, not his own preference.

He had plenty of rest to start fitness program. The so called training with the Mavs were short shooting exercises it's completely different. And in a way you basically answered yourself. So i am not even in the mood to debate this kind of things into details because you can't reason with his die hard fans. But it is true that he had a lot of promotion work to do so that can be an excuse in his favor. Anyway, i know you will drag this forever so lets just leave as it is and we can only hope he can last full season.

Great, you immediately turn this into “die hard fan”. I’m far away from this, I for sure won’t even wake up in the middle of the night to watch his games.

But you started this discussion, not me. So you can explain this “plenty of rest to start fitness program”. How much is this plenty for you? I mean in days or weeks.

I easily showed you that his rest was less than a month before he started again with trainings. As you called training with Dallas as not important, yes it wasn’t condition training, but it still posponed his post-season rest for additional 14 days. So how is this “nothing” as you would like to show?

What really bothered me with your post, is that you tried to show him as some lazy, uninterested guy for hard work. Which is very far from thruth...

We won't get anywhere with this no matter how much we discuss it i already said it. And i didn't start this debate, i just followed someone else's post with my own opinion. So even though i wasn't even debating this with you, we can get back to this in feb/march and see how he is. I will gladly say i was wrong and i do hope i am wrong because i obviously want him to succeed.

[Mirotic12]

We can stop with all the made up untrue myths that EuroLeague players don't work out, don't train, and don't have to watch their diets now. It's reported all the time, how every EuroLeague team requires such things, yet we constantly have claims in these Doncic threads that no training, no lifting weights, and no proper diet exists at all in EuroLeague....

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/trademarks/730052/how-euroleague-players-work-out-and-what-do-they-eat-during-offseason/

People really need to stop confusing proper training and diet with rampant doping.