Preseason Game 4: SB I Rematch - Packers/Chiefs - 7:30 Channel 4

[MickeyDavis]

McCarthy confused. Stunning

[Mags FTW]

If I have another son, I think I’m naming him Adonis.

Either that or Twirl. Have to think about it.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I think Demovsky said the Packers planned on keeping Boyle on the 53 man. Would be a terrible move if they did. Worthwhile guy to have on the PS but not anywhere close to good enough right now to take a 53 man spot.

Tonight he certainly looked like a player you could sneak onto a practice squad. Kizer threw a garbage ball for a pick tonight, but the guy was open and the decision was the right one. Boyle looked lost, and when he was under pressure he went fetal. It was not a good night for him. I thought he would dominate because he had superior receiver talent compared to the string of depth he played against. Woof.

We have no one past 3 deep at OLB. Biegel and Fackrell are both pretty bad. Biegel at least gives 100% every time he's on the field. Khalil Mack makes it into a very complete position for us.

Morrison looked like a starter quality linebacker out there. He does stuff we haven't seen since Desmond Bishop. He engaged a lineman and caked him. I have no idea how we pulled this guy for Pipkins, but it came at the right time.

I don't know who Bouagnon is sleeping with, but I can't see how he could ever make a roster. Mays didn't even get a down and he was supposed to be healthy. I think we probably hold Williams, Ty, and (hopefully) Leshun Daniels on practice squad. Maybe keep Tonyan until Jones can come back. In the middle of that game I kept saying "Stop making plays Tonyan, or we won't get you to our practice squad." If we want to save some money, it might make sense to keep Tonyan and cut Kendricks.

Corners after Jackson, King, Jaire, and House left the field looked pretty sparse. I have to think the last CB spot goes to Herb Waters at this point, but who knows. I also like Raven Greene for 4th safety. I spent the majority of quarters 1 and 2 wondering how a team could just pick on 2 guys (Martini and Whitehead) for so long without those guys getting pulled.

At WR, I have to think that Kumerow is the victim of his own non availability. I don't know how you cut any of the rookie WRs and Trevor Davis (I concede that he had a fumble tonight, but its also his first game film) is pretty much the only person who looks like he should be returning punts. I don't want Jaire back there, and honestly he was a bit too laissez-faire with punt returning. I think your 7 are Davante, Cobb, Geronimo, J'Mon, MVS, EQ, and Trevor Davis.

JK Scott smashed the ball tonight. He turned the field over for us big time. I saw a lot of Triner long snapping too, so I am wondering if Hunter Bradley is dunzo. JK also does a really nice job holding.

[BUCKnation]

Trevor Davis isn't nearly good enough at returner to keep him around. Rather have Cobb back there to fair catch every time.

[Balls2TheWalls]

He was the best returner in the league as rated by PFF (last year). A team with a better defense is going to have more chances at punt returns. a PR/KR specialist is going to have more impact than a WR that doesn't see the field.

[El Duderino]

Boyle has looked like **** this half

I'm happy about that

He has great size and a great arm, but is raw, perfect for a practice squad spot.

Had he played well in the 2nd half also though, it would have put the Packers in a tough spot given they wouldn't really want to keep three quarterbacks on the 53 man roster, but waiving him would be risky.

Now they can waive him and he likely clears waivers, allowing the team to put him on the practice squad where he belongs.

[HKPackFan]

Boyle has looked like **** this half

I'm happy about that

He has great size and a great arm, but is raw, perfect for a practice squad spot.

Had he played well in the 2nd half also though, it would have put the Packers in a tough spot given they wouldn't really want to keep three quarterbacks on the 53 man roster, but waiving him would be risky.

Now they can waive him and he likely clears waivers, allowing the team to put him on the practice squad where he belongs.

I watched 2.5 quarters, so I think I was spared the worst of the middle of the 3rd to 4th quarters.

I think Boyle's arm is a real live canon and he looked good early on the first couple of drives after Kizer went out. There's some serious risk of losing him if we try to sneak him on the PS. I think they want to keep him long term and might not want to risk it.

Aaron Jones looked really good. Man, he's going to make that RB group look fantastic in a couple weeks.

I'm disappointed in beigel. He was getting stone walled against the scrubs.

[Balls2TheWalls]

Boyle has looked like **** this half

I'm happy about that

He has great size and a great arm, but is raw, perfect for a practice squad spot.

Had he played well in the 2nd half also though, it would have put the Packers in a tough spot given they wouldn't really want to keep three quarterbacks on the 53 man roster, but waiving him would be risky.

Now they can waive him and he likely clears waivers, allowing the team to put him on the practice squad where he belongs.

I watched 2.5 quarters, so I think I was spared the worst of the middle of the 3rd to 4th quarters.

I think Boyle's arm is a real live canon and he looked good early on the first couple of drives after Kizer went out. There's some serious risk of losing him if we try to sneak him on the PS. I think they want to keep him long term and might not want to risk it.

Aaron Jones looked really good. Man, he's going to make that RB group look fantastic in a couple weeks.

I'm disappointed in beigel. He was getting stone walled against the scrubs.

He started forcing really bad balls and eyeing down receivers. It was bad.

[HKPackFan]

I'm happy about that

He has great size and a great arm, but is raw, perfect for a practice squad spot.

Had he played well in the 2nd half also though, it would have put the Packers in a tough spot given they wouldn't really want to keep three quarterbacks on the 53 man roster, but waiving him would be risky.

Now they can waive him and he likely clears waivers, allowing the team to put him on the practice squad where he belongs.

I watched 2.5 quarters, so I think I was spared the worst of the middle of the 3rd to 4th quarters.

I think Boyle's arm is a real live canon and he looked good early on the first couple of drives after Kizer went out. There's some serious risk of losing him if we try to sneak him on the PS. I think they want to keep him long term and might not want to risk it.

Aaron Jones looked really good. Man, he's going to make that RB group look fantastic in a couple weeks.

I'm disappointed in beigel. He was getting stone walled against the scrubs.

He started forcing really bad balls and eyeing down receivers. It was bad.

Oh no.

My only concern is....if someone is willing to give up a draft pick on proven trash (see 2017 starts) like Hundley, someone is going to be willing to take a chance on a completely raw skilled qb like Boyle.

Boyle supposedly had bad coaches in college and it was faster coaching turnover than a 1hr motel bed in Bangkok. He might suck, but I don't mind taking a year or two to see if he could become something.

I'm on the fence with Davis. This was really limited action, but we know he has talent. I don't mind spending a roster spot on a special teams KR/PR and I read he can play gunner too. NO ONE really stepped it up either. I don't want to risk a starter as a PR like Cobb or Alexander. Monte is kind of annoying, because he was drafted with return skills, but hasn't shown much in the NFL.

What's 78 year old Devon Hestor doing?

We need a good returner, I don't know if it's Davis. Is what he showed last year enough? Is one crappy preseason game enough to get cut? Can we IR Kumerow? I don't want to cut Kumerow for Davis.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I did a roster breakdown of what I thought would make the roster, and I saw about 50 players that are likely on this team; and another 5-6 that could fill the last 3 (2 when Jones comes back).

QB (2)(2) - Rodgers, Kizer
RB (2)(4) - Williams, Montgomery
FB (1)(5) - Ripkowski
WR (7)(12) - Adams, Cobb, Allison, MVS, St.Brown, Moore, Davis
TE (3)(15) - Graham, Lewis, Kendricks
OL (9)(24) - Bakhtiari, Taylor, Linsley, McCray, Bulaga, Spriggs, Pankey, Day, Bell

DE/DT (5)(29) - Clark, Daniels, Wilkerson, Adams, Lowry
OLB (5)(34) - Matthews, Perry, Gilbert, Fackrell, Biegel
ILB (3)(37) - Martinez, Burks, Morrison
CB (6)(43) - Williams, King, Alexander, Jackson, House, Waters
S (4)(47) - Clinton-Dix, Brice, Jones, Greene

SP (3)(50) - Crosby, Scott, Bradley

Potential Keepers before Aaron Jones comes back:
Tim Boyle (QB) - If we are afraid our 3rd option is going to get picked up again.
LeShun Daniels (RB) - Thought he looked the best of the backup options, like him for the practice squad.
Jake Kumerow (WR) - Obviously looked great, but the best ability is availability.
Robert Tonyan (TE) - Looked good enough that if we cut him there is a good chance that he gets picked up by another team.
Kyle Murphy (T) - McCarthy did nothing but jump on this guy's horrible grenade of a performance last week, but he looked god awful.
James Looney (DT) - Didn't do anything special, but we might want more bodies at DT. Lock for practice squad.
Ahmad Thomas (ILB) - Might want more depth here with the injury to Burks.
Jermaine Whitehead (S) - Thought he was in the lead to make the roster, but I think he looked incredibly bad in this last game where he should have been in a position to shine.
Zach Triner (LS) - Honestly just not sure which LS is going to make the team.

I would say that the most likely course of action is that the Packers keep Boyle, Murphy, and a running back to fill in until Jones can come back. I think it feels awful to get rid of Kumerow after he played his heart out. I think we should try to keep him on roster. I don't think anyone on that list outside of Kumerow, and maybe Tonyan, is better than what could be gotten on the open market in case of injuries.

ETA: I don't like how Fackrell or Biegel has played. I just don't think anyone has done anything to work them off of the roster.

[Ron Swanson]

There were reports that multiple teams have sent scouts to our games and identified Boyle as a roster spot candidate, so practice squad would seem unlikely. I'll trust the organization to put him on the 53 if it's between that and losing him to another club. I'm not gonna let 2 quarters of bad preseason play alter my evaluations of him.

[Mags FTW]

Gute will probably be more active than TT when it comes to picking up other team’s cut down casualties.

[neiLz]

There were reports that multiple teams have sent scouts to our games and identified Boyle as a roster spot candidate, so practice squad would seem unlikely. I'll trust the organization to put him on the 53 if it's between that and losing him to another club. I'm not gonna let 2 quarters of bad preseason play alter my evaluations of him.

I don't know. he played 2 bad quarters of football and maybe 1.5 - 2 quarters of good football. It's a mixed bag and he does have talent but is he one of the 53 best players to get this team to a SB? if it means keeping one extra lineman/WR/CB/LB that probably will play I'll roll the dice and try to get him on the PS. If Boyle has to play in any game this year or next the team is ****.

[ReasonablySober]

Tim Boyles are a dime a dozen. He isn't good enough to warrant a 53 man spot and he would be easily replaceable with any other young toolsy QB prospect that's no where near ready to start an NFL game.

[Ron Swanson]

There were reports that multiple teams have sent scouts to our games and identified Boyle as a roster spot candidate, so practice squad would seem unlikely. I'll trust the organization to put him on the 53 if it's between that and losing him to another club. I'm not gonna let 2 quarters of bad preseason play alter my evaluations of him.

I don't know. he played 2 bad quarters of football and maybe 1.5 - 2 quarters of good football. It's a mixed bag and he does have talent but is he one of the 53 best players to get this team to a SB? if it means keeping one extra lineman/WR/CB/LB that probably will play I'll roll the dice and try to get him on the PS. If Boyle has to play in any game this year or next the team is ****.

Can you stash that extra WR/CB/LB on the practice squad instead though? That's the point. If the rumors are true then you certainly won't be able to with Boyle. It's a quarterback's league and QB starved teams are always gonna take a chance on guys like him. I'd rather risk some team poaching Josh Hawkins or Greer Martini then I would someone who could eventually end up beating out Kizer for the backup QB job in the not so distant future. The aforementioned guys are much more replaceable.

[trwi7]

Tim Boyles are a dime a dozen. He isn't good enough to warrant a 53 man spot and he would be easily replaceable with any other young toolsy QB prospect that's no where near ready to start an NFL game.

Yeah, this Tim Boyle love is weird. Sub 50% completion percentage and a 69 QB rating (nice) against 3rd and 4th string scrubs mostly. You can try to keep him on the practice squad but there is not a single reason to keep him on the 53 man because he is not going to help at all and is a complete waste of a roster spot.