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OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#821 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:50 pm

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Rick Wilson - and Steve Schmidt - have both brutalized Trump. And I love it.


Schmidt is on MSNBC a lot, correct? I don't watch it that often, but recognize the name.


He was McCain's (and plenty of other R's) presidential campaign manager in '08


Yeah, I was just wondering where on TV he pops up a lot - over there sometimes, right?
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

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Schmidt is on MSNBC a lot, correct? I don't watch it that often, but recognize the name.


He was McCain's (and plenty of other R's) presidential campaign manager in '08


Yeah, I was just wondering where on TV he pops up a lot - over there sometimes, right?


Yea, MSNBC snapped him up after the conservative media kinda shunned him for saying Palin was a cancer on the party.
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Post#823 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:40 pm

The Military Community Might Actually Be Souring on Trump
The president’s disgraceful response to John McCain’s death is just the latest example in a string of disrespectful words and actions

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#826 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:50 pm

This is an example of what Cap and I were talking about. Trump is goading his fringe supporters to violence against his opposition and especially against journalists. He was repeating Trump's phrase for the media as the enemy of the people.

Encino man charged with threatening to shoot Boston Globe employees

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-encino-boston-globe-threats-20180830-story.html

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Does anyone actually think this is OK?

And does anyone actually think Trump is not directly responsible for this behavior?

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Post#827 » by CharlesOakley » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:23 am

I don't see how this is any different from yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. It's just a much bigger theater.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#828 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:42 am

CharlesOakley wrote:I don't see how this is any different from yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. It's just a much bigger theater.


Every republican in Congress who has failed to vociferously denounce Trump should be held accountable for their silence.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#829 » by Pointgod » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:45 am

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This dude has fully lost his mind. My theory? the stress has pushed his dementia to another level and everyone's afraid to speak up.


The truth is that he lost his mind a long time ago. Just go back to the campaign and he was the same rambling idiot saying that Obama founded ISIS, Ted Cruzs dad killed JFK, Muslims cheering during 911 The man is mentally deficient and he managed to con Americans into voting for him simply by lying his was off. This is who Trump always was becoming President just amplified his mega phone.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#830 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:49 am

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This dude has fully lost his mind. My theory? the stress has pushed his dementia to another level and everyone's afraid to speak up.


The truth is that he lost his mind a long time ago. Just go back to the campaign and he was the same rambling idiot saying that Obama founded ISIS, Ted Cruzs dad killed JFK, Muslims cheering during 911 The man is mentally deficient and he managed to con Americans into voting for him simply by lying his was off. This is who Trump always was becoming President just amplified his mega phone.


Some have said that the pressure has made it worse. More things out of his control. More allies getting convicted and getting "flipped" as he likes to say. They say an animal is most dangerous when its back is against the wall. (At least that's what I've heard on TV. :lol: )

But as to his basic character flaws, of which there are many, he's basically the same scamming, liar, puffer, grifter that he's always been since he was a teen. It's just amazing to me how so many voters either didn't care or were just outright ignorant of who he is.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#831 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:21 am

Clyde_Style wrote:This is an example of what Cap and I were talking about. Trump is goading his fringe supporters to violence against his opposition and especially against journalists. He was repeating Trump's phrase for the media as the enemy of the people.

Encino man charged with threatening to shoot Boston Globe employees

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-encino-boston-globe-threats-20180830-story.html

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Does anyone actually think this is OK?

And does anyone actually think Trump is not directly responsible for this behavior?

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Sad that he turned bad.
"Ultimately after he adjusted to modern life, adjusting to a changing economy must have been too much" said a mainstream reporter, in another justification of (mostly) white rage.


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#832 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:23 am

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CharlesOakley wrote:I don't see how this is any different from yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. It's just a much bigger theater.


Every republican in Congress who has failed to vociferously denounce Trump should be held accountable for their silence.


I looked up the phrase "Feckless Cowards" and found 99.9% of the GOP congress in the picture
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#833 » by j4remi » Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:35 pm

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Pointgod wrote:The truth is that he lost his mind a long time ago. Just go back to the campaign and he was the same rambling idiot saying that Obama founded ISIS, Ted Cruzs dad killed JFK, Muslims cheering during 911 The man is mentally deficient and he managed to con Americans into voting for him simply by lying his was off. This is who Trump always was becoming President just amplified his mega phone.


Some have said that the pressure has made it worse. More things out of his control. More allies getting convicted and getting "flipped" as he likes to say. They say an animal is most dangerous when its back is against the wall. (At least that's what I've heard on TV. :lol: )

But as to his basic character flaws, of which there are many, he's basically the same scamming, liar, puffer, grifter that he's always been since he was a teen. It's just amazing to me how so many voters either didn't care or were just outright ignorant of who he is.


Pretty much, he was always fairly aimless but it just sounded like he didn't know wtf he was talking about and trying to "used car salesman" his way out of it (I cannot believe this garbage worked). Now he sounds straight up delusional, like zero grip on reality brought about by masses buying his schtick for too long and validating his conspiratorial speculations that he passes off as fact. It's kinda crazy but I miss when he was just coming across stupid rather than unhinged...remember this one?

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”


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Post#834 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:09 pm

j4remi wrote:
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Pointgod wrote:The truth is that he lost his mind a long time ago. Just go back to the campaign and he was the same rambling idiot saying that Obama founded ISIS, Ted Cruzs dad killed JFK, Muslims cheering during 911 The man is mentally deficient and he managed to con Americans into voting for him simply by lying his was off. This is who Trump always was becoming President just amplified his mega phone.


Some have said that the pressure has made it worse. More things out of his control. More allies getting convicted and getting "flipped" as he likes to say. They say an animal is most dangerous when its back is against the wall. (At least that's what I've heard on TV. :lol: )

But as to his basic character flaws, of which there are many, he's basically the same scamming, liar, puffer, grifter that he's always been since he was a teen. It's just amazing to me how so many voters either didn't care or were just outright ignorant of who he is.


Pretty much, he was always fairly aimless but it just sounded like he didn't know wtf he was talking about and trying to "used car salesman" his way out of it (I cannot believe this garbage worked). Now he sounds straight up delusional, like zero grip on reality brought about by masses buying his schtick for too long and validating his conspiratorial speculations that he passes off as fact. It's kinda crazy but I miss when he was just coming across stupid rather than unhinged...remember this one?

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”


www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence


Trump's brain is essentially a word salad constructed from a limited vocabulary. His synapses fire at a quarter impulse compared to any one of us so he never actually completes a thought. Everything in his brain is thinkus interruptus which explains his lack of attention span, inability to form logical thoughts or coherent sentences.

Yes, it is hard to believe there are that many people who actually supported this low IQ used car lot dealer. That's why Betsy Devos is a significant character in our society now. She's putting the final touches on the GOP's three decade assault on the educational system, an agenda driven by the desire to exert control over a dumbed down citizenry which finally bore the perhaps unintended fruit of being able to elect a knuckle dragging freak like Trump.

The irony of this deliberate destruction of our educational system is it also resulted in dumbed down candidates that sprouted from this humus of decomposing brain matter. The Tea Party was that first wave of idiocy rolling like an incoming tide over the GOP and that Sarah Palin level of intellect ended up becoming the norm. So the end result has become idiots ruling over idiots.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#835 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:11 pm

Speaking of freaks, here is Roger Stone's Instagram account. He was banned from Twitter for threatening to kill people a few times or more.

This guy's indictment is imminent.

https://www.instagram.com/rogerjstonejr/?hl=en
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#836 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:28 pm

j4remi wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Pointgod wrote:The truth is that he lost his mind a long time ago. Just go back to the campaign and he was the same rambling idiot saying that Obama founded ISIS, Ted Cruzs dad killed JFK, Muslims cheering during 911 The man is mentally deficient and he managed to con Americans into voting for him simply by lying his was off. This is who Trump always was becoming President just amplified his mega phone.


Some have said that the pressure has made it worse. More things out of his control. More allies getting convicted and getting "flipped" as he likes to say. They say an animal is most dangerous when its back is against the wall. (At least that's what I've heard on TV. :lol: )

But as to his basic character flaws, of which there are many, he's basically the same scamming, liar, puffer, grifter that he's always been since he was a teen. It's just amazing to me how so many voters either didn't care or were just outright ignorant of who he is.


Pretty much, he was always fairly aimless but it just sounded like he didn't know wtf he was talking about and trying to "used car salesman" his way out of it (I cannot believe this garbage worked). Now he sounds straight up delusional, like zero grip on reality brought about by masses buying his schtick for too long and validating his conspiratorial speculations that he passes off as fact. It's kinda crazy but I miss when he was just coming across stupid rather than unhinged...remember this one?

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”


www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence


I remember that rant well. I have no doubt Fred pulled strings and made the necessary financial endowments to both Fordham and Univ. of Pa. (Donald only attended there his senior year) to get him in. Trump was so desperate to birtherize Obama but won't show us his tax returns and school transcripts.

See what you did now? You got me all annoyed at the mo-fo and it's Friday of the Labor Day holiday weekend. :lol:
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#837 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:29 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
j4remi wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Some have said that the pressure has made it worse. More things out of his control. More allies getting convicted and getting "flipped" as he likes to say. They say an animal is most dangerous when its back is against the wall. (At least that's what I've heard on TV. :lol: )

But as to his basic character flaws, of which there are many, he's basically the same scamming, liar, puffer, grifter that he's always been since he was a teen. It's just amazing to me how so many voters either didn't care or were just outright ignorant of who he is.


Pretty much, he was always fairly aimless but it just sounded like he didn't know wtf he was talking about and trying to "used car salesman" his way out of it (I cannot believe this garbage worked). Now he sounds straight up delusional, like zero grip on reality brought about by masses buying his schtick for too long and validating his conspiratorial speculations that he passes off as fact. It's kinda crazy but I miss when he was just coming across stupid rather than unhinged...remember this one?

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”


www.c-span.org/video/?c4546796/donald-trump-sentence


Trump's brain is essentially a word salad constructed from a limited vocabulary. His synapses fire at a quarter impulse compared to any one of us so he never actually completes a thought. Everything in his brain is thinkus interruptus which explains his lack of attention span, inability to form logical thoughts or coherent sentences.

Yes, it is hard to believe there are that many people who actually supported this low IQ used car lot dealer. That's why Betsy Devos is a significant character in our society now. She's putting the final touches on the GOP's three decade assault on the educational system, an agenda driven by the desire to exert control over a dumbed down citizenry which finally bore the perhaps unintended fruit of being able to elect a knuckle dragging freak like Trump.

The irony of this deliberate destruction of our educational system is it also resulted in dumbed down candidates that sprouted from this humus of decomposing brain matter. The Tea Party was that first wave of idiocy rolling like an incoming tide over the GOP and that Sarah Palin level of intellect ended up becoming the norm. So the end result has become idiots ruling over idiots.


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Post#839 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:43 pm

People don’t vote for what they want. They vote for who they are.

http://www.washingtonpost.com%2Foutlook%2Fpeople-dont-vote-for-want-they-want-they-vote-for-who-they-are%2F2018%2F08%2F30%2Ffb5b7e44-abd7-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html

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James Alicie, left, and Richard M. Birchfield, of Delaware, Ohio, at a Trump rally earlier this month.

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You remember the photo, taken in early August, of two men at an Ohio Trump rally whose matching T-shirts read, “I’d rather be a Russian than a Democrat.” (Now you can buy them online for $14.) It was a gibe that spoke to our moment. The Republican brand — as with presidential nominees John McCain and Mitt Romney — used to be pointedly anti-Russian; Romney called Moscow our chief global enemy. In the Trump era, though, you can be a Republican Russophile for whom Vladi­mir Putin is a defender of conservative values. American politics, it has become plain, is driven less by ideological commitments than by partisan identities — less by what we think than by what we are. Identity precedes ideology.

“The Democratic Party today is divided over whether it wants to focus on the economy or identity,” the veteran strategist and pollster Stanley B. Greenberg, a man of the economy-first school, has said. But once you come to grips with the potency of partisan-identity politics, the binary falls away. So does the assumption that the great majority of Republicans who support Trump are drawn to his noxious views. (That’s the good news in the bad news.) Among candidates who led in the Republican primaries, after all, his percentage of the vote was the lowest in nearly half a century. Identity groups come to rally behind their leaders, and partisan identification wouldn’t be so stable if it didn’t allow for a great deal of ideological flexibility. That’s why rank-and-file Republicans could go from “We need to stand up to Putin!” to “Why wouldn’t we want to get along with Putin?” in the time it takes to say: Rubio’s out, Trump’s in.

What’s true of partisan allegiance is true of ideological allegiance. In research published earlier this year, political scientist Lilliana Mason conducted a national survey that determined where people stood on various hot-button issues: same-sex marriage, abortion, gun control, immigration, the Affordable Care Act, the deficit. Then they were asked how they felt about spending time with liberals or conservatives. About becoming friends with one. About marrying one.

The best predictor of ideological animus, the study found, wasn’t a respondent’s opinions or even how strongly she held them, but what label she embraced, conservative or liberal. Mason calls this “identity-based ideology,” as opposed to “issue-based ideology.” Other researchers in political psychology prefer to speak of “affective polarization.” Either formulation is a polite way of saying that political cleavages are not so much “I disagree with your views” as “I hate your stupid face.” You can be an ideologue without ideology.

“Implicit bias,” and the special tests designed to measure it, come up often in the wake of police shootings and #BlackLivesMatter. They show in-group preferences among whites and among blacks. But experiments suggest that partisan in-group preferences are far more powerful. We’re more polarized by party than by race. Indeed, while few Americans are still bothered by interracial marriage, recent surveys find that between 30 and 60 percent of people who identify as Democrats or Republicans want their kids to marry in the party. It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that identity politics is the only kind of politics we’ve got.

That’s a feature of people, not simply politics. Long before anyone instructs children to group people into categories, research tells us, they’re programmed to do it anyway, and one of our basic ways of making sense of the world is to form generalizations of the sort linguists call “generics” — such as “bears eat people” or “tick bites give you Lyme disease.” Those generalizations count as true, but it’s not easy to say why. Hardly any bears have eaten people , and less than 2 percent of tick bites transmit the Lyme spirochete. But, as the philosopher Sarah-Jane Leslie has argued, we’re more likely to accept a generic if it involves a reason for concern, such as getting eaten or getting sick.

What’s more, generics encourage us to think of the class in question as a kind, a group with a shared essence. To show how this works, Leslie joined with psychologists Marjorie Rhodes and Christina Tworek to design an experiment in which 4-year-olds were shown pictures of a fictional kind of person they called a Zarpie. The people in the pictures were male and female, black, white, Latino, Asian, young and old. With one group of 4-year-olds, the experimenters made lots of generic remarks. (“Zarpies are scared of ladybugs” and the like.) With another group, they made specific statements, not generic ones. (“Look at this Zarpie! He’s afraid of ladybugs!”) A couple of days later, they showed the kids a Zarpie and said he made a buzzing sound. It turned out that the children who’d heard a lot of generics about Zarpies were much more likely to believe that all Zarpies made buzzing sounds. Generic talk encouraged them to think of Zarpies as a category of person.

Generic remarks about people, in short, encourage you to think of them as a kind, and you’re more likely to accept a generic claim about a group if it’s negative or worrying. (Liberals hate America; conservatives are bigots.) As everyone knows on some level, we’re tribal creatures. We not only belong to groups but are easily triggered to take arms against other groups. Evolutionary psychologists think these dispositions helped our ancestors survive by creating groups they could rely on to deal with the perils of prehistoric life, including other groups competing for resources. True, that was before cable news and social media. But those us-and-them instincts remain an indelible part of human nature.

Still, if tribalism is responsible for some of the worst aspects of our politics, it’s also responsible for some of the best. According to the historian David Herbert Donald, the 19th-century abolitionists belonged to a tribe — essentially, an old-line Northern elite displaced by a new commercial and manufacturing class — that sought to regain its position through ethical crusades. The moral math was correct, but social identity was what helped it spread. Another kind of tribalism helped the civil rights movement go mass. We’re always hearing that the Democrats lost the South when — especially after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 — the party of segregation became the party of civil rights. And the red shift was real. But we don’t pause to reflect on how partisan identity politics actually slowed that defection.

Southerners, after World War II, were increasingly out of step with the national Democratic Party. They were more conservative than the leadership, and they were becoming more affluent than they used to be. (Richer Democrats went Republican before poor ones did.) White identity politics played a big and growing role, particularly in the wake of 1954’s Brown v. Board of Education . The region, by the usual reckoning, should have been a GOP stronghold after the civil rights era.

Yet we all belong to multiple tribes, and many Democrats who had once supported or been reconciled to segregation stuck it out when their leaders reversed course. Almost the entire South went in 1976 for Jimmy Carter, who won by wide margins in notably white states like Arkansas and Tennessee. Voters who had supported states-rights candidates got behind the progressive from Plains, Ga., because — well, they were Southern Democrats, and so was Carter. In national elections, the region didn’t become reliably Republican until the late 1990s. A generation of Southern Democrats had to die first.

To wish away identity politics is to wish away gravity. It burdens us, but it also grounds us. A workable politics enlists its force — and broadens its scope. At its very broadest, this gave us the inclusive nationalisms of FDR, Ike and JFK, with all their limitations. Successful politicians know that I’m with you counts for more than I’m for you. To say identity precedes issues doesn’t mean that issues aren’t important. But high-flown ideas — including a moral commitment to equality — must come down to earth to gain power: They matter when they connect to groups that matter to us, when they enter into a collective sense of who and what we are. For better or worse, it’s only through identity that ideas can change the world. Maybe someone could put that on a T-shirt.
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Post#840 » by Capn'O » Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:48 pm

TL:DR version: we're surrounded by morons on all sides


Tribalism is such an utterly stupid way to frame the world. And it's the only way we ever have.
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