Soul Glo, the Afro Samurai - The Jarrett Allen Thread

[MrDollarBills]

how did he get jobbed? he barely played the first third/half of the season and everyone who made the all rookie teams ahead of him had a clear better season.

Josh Jackson had a better season overall than Allen? On what grounds?

If a player on the Nets posted what Jackson posted with that kind of inefficiency you would not be saying this, you'd be calling him a inefficient chucker on a bad team. Jackson was a complete negative on the floor and his TS was 48%.

Jackson isnt a knock down shooter or go to scorer, he is a Kirilenko mold jack of all trades swiss army knife. and he had a horrible first couple months. second half of the year he dropped 19/6/3/2/1 with some solid defense despite being surrounded by a team of awful defenders, playing next to a real chucker in booker, and being on a team that was openly and actively tanking.

as a starter jackson was 16/5/2/1/.5 and allen was 10/6/1/.5/1

allen only really has jackson in efficiency, which is great i love that allen really stays in his lane and just goes with dunks and layups but jackson is a wing on a team of me-first chuckers. not a center on a team that shares the ball as well as anyone and is super analytics driven.

yeah if you look at raw season long numbers in a vaccuum, ignore that allen played 600 less minutes, yeah you could make a case for allen. but when you factor in those things jackson had a better year.... or at the very least allen didnt get "jobbed"

jackson is basically a better version of last years RHJ, a guy i loved and defended on here

I don't think scoring 19ppg post all star break with those kinds of advanced numbers is very flattering, but if we're going to take into account minutes and how Allen started hitting the rookie wall late in the season, I can see how you feel that way. i still say he got snubbed. i'd rather take a guy who is a net positive on the floor.

[Karate Diop]

I listed some of the statistics on the general board in various threads... But Allen was among the top rookies in virtually all advanced stat categories this year.

Was definitely more impactful than someone such as Kuzma or Smith Jr. who both get hype because of their raw numbers / playing style (OmG! KuzmA! PPG over EVERYTHANG! - Dennis Smith Jr.?! DUNK DUNK DUNK - 39% fg% and 69% ft% don't mater! DUNK!)

[Prokorov]

I listed some of the statistics on the general board in various threads... But Allen was among the top rookies in virtually all advanced stat categories this year.

Was definitely more impactful than someone such as Kuzma or Smith Jr. who both get hype because of their raw numbers / playing style (OmG! KuzmA! PPG over EVERYTHANG! - Dennis Smith Jr.?! DUNK DUNK DUNK - 39% fg% and 69% ft% don't mater! DUNK!)

in those guys defense its alot easier to have great advanced stats when you basically just shoot when its a layup or dunk spoon fed to you... not to diminish what allen does, he has a great feel rolling and around the rim

but if the offense ran through him and his volume was big liek smith, hs advanced stats would not be nearly as good

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, I don't think Allen got snubbed or jobbed. If he made it he would have been legit, but the guys who made it ahead of him deserved it as well.

[IcyVeins]

Who cares about first/second team... Notice how many of them aren't with the same team anymore.

[MrDollarBills]

I listed some of the statistics on the general board in various threads... But Allen was among the top rookies in virtually all advanced stat categories this year.

Was definitely more impactful than someone such as Kuzma or Smith Jr. who both get hype because of their raw numbers / playing style (OmG! KuzmA! PPG over EVERYTHANG! - Dennis Smith Jr.?! DUNK DUNK DUNK - 39% fg% and 69% ft% don't mater! DUNK!)

in those guys defense its alot easier to have great advanced stats when you basically just shoot when its a layup or dunk spoon fed to you... not to diminish what allen does, he has a great feel rolling and around the rim

but if the offense ran through him and his volume was big liek smith, hs advanced stats would not be nearly as good

So we should overlook efficiency now because of volume and position? if that's the case why is everyone scared **** less that Russell's true shooting percentage is stuck in the 50% range?

[Prokorov]

I listed some of the statistics on the general board in various threads... But Allen was among the top rookies in virtually all advanced stat categories this year.

Was definitely more impactful than someone such as Kuzma or Smith Jr. who both get hype because of their raw numbers / playing style (OmG! KuzmA! PPG over EVERYTHANG! - Dennis Smith Jr.?! DUNK DUNK DUNK - 39% fg% and 69% ft% don't mater! DUNK!)

in those guys defense its alot easier to have great advanced stats when you basically just shoot when its a layup or dunk spoon fed to you... not to diminish what allen does, he has a great feel rolling and around the rim

but if the offense ran through him and his volume was big liek smith, hs advanced stats would not be nearly as good

So we should overlook efficiency now because of volume and position? if that's the case why is everyone scared **** less that Russell's true shooting percentage is stuck in the 50% range?

I havent really heard any concern over russells TS% or his turnovers for that matter... he is pretty much concensus top 5-7 player and was everyone choice for MVP last season and im sure everyone would take him over a Clint Capella type who is a 65+ TS% advanced status stud.

and im not saying overlook efficiency, im a big analytics guy... but you really can put tons of weight into TS% comparing a big who started just 30 games and who has super low volume most of which is assited on FGA taken inside 5 feet vs a combo G/PG with huge volume who takes the bulk of his shots from the outside, unassited or inside creating his own offense.

its an apples to oranges comparison on a VERY small sample size.

effiency is great but sample can be ignored anytime you are looking at percentage formula based statistics

[MrDollarBills]

I think it's fair to point out the difference Prok but you've been one of the biggest sticklers about TS% when it comes to player efficiency regardless of position. scoring 19pts on 50% TS would get someone ripped on here by you regardless of position, but for argument's sake, in this case it's okay because we're talking about a wing versus a big? Josh Jackson's numbers beyond the raws are absolutely terrible

also, I'm pretty sure more than a few posters have pointed at Russell's advanced numbers and have raised a red flag.

I guarantee if a Nets player posted those kind of numbers with his usage you'd be going ballistic dude

[Prokorov]

I think it's fair to point out the difference Prok but you've been one of the biggest sticklers about TS% when it comes to player efficiency regardless of position. scoring 19pts on 50% TS would get someone ripped on here by you regardless of position, but for argument's sake, in this case it's okay because we're talking about a wing versus a big? Josh Jackson's numbers beyond the raws are absolutely terrible

also, I'm pretty sure more than a few posters have pointed at Russell's advanced numbers and have raised a red flag.

I guarantee if a Nets player posted those kind of numbers with his usage you'd be going ballistic dude

No way... Russell is dropping 30/10/10...anyone pointing at his TS is out of their mind. dude is a complete beast and reigning MVP.

as far as jackson vs. allen... you can ignore the sample and the usage. it HAS to be a factor, especially in such a small sample. i dont think what jackson did is all that special, not saying that, but allens efficiency is a bit overstated. you cant compare being spoon fed dunks from levert the same as given the ball 30 feet out and asked to score on your own.

[MrDollarBills]

I think it's fair to point out the difference Prok but you've been one of the biggest sticklers about TS% when it comes to player efficiency regardless of position. scoring 19pts on 50% TS would get someone ripped on here by you regardless of position, but for argument's sake, in this case it's okay because we're talking about a wing versus a big? Josh Jackson's numbers beyond the raws are absolutely terrible

also, I'm pretty sure more than a few posters have pointed at Russell's advanced numbers and have raised a red flag.

I guarantee if a Nets player posted those kind of numbers with his usage you'd be going ballistic dude

No way... Russell is dropping 30/10/10...anyone pointing at his TS is out of their mind. dude is a complete beast and reigning MVP.

as far as jackson vs. allen... you can ignore the sample and the usage. it HAS to be a factor, especially in such a small sample. i dont think what jackson did is all that special, not saying that, but allens efficiency is a bit overstated. you cant compare being spoon fed dunks from levert the same as given the ball 30 feet out and asked to score on your own.

whoa wait lets reset. The Russell I'm talking about is D'Angelo Russell not Russell Westbrook

[Prokorov]

I think it's fair to point out the difference Prok but you've been one of the biggest sticklers about TS% when it comes to player efficiency regardless of position. scoring 19pts on 50% TS would get someone ripped on here by you regardless of position, but for argument's sake, in this case it's okay because we're talking about a wing versus a big? Josh Jackson's numbers beyond the raws are absolutely terrible

also, I'm pretty sure more than a few posters have pointed at Russell's advanced numbers and have raised a red flag.

I guarantee if a Nets player posted those kind of numbers with his usage you'd be going ballistic dude

No way... Russell is dropping 30/10/10...anyone pointing at his TS is out of their mind. dude is a complete beast and reigning MVP.

as far as jackson vs. allen... you can ignore the sample and the usage. it HAS to be a factor, especially in such a small sample. i dont think what jackson did is all that special, not saying that, but allens efficiency is a bit overstated. you cant compare being spoon fed dunks from levert the same as given the ball 30 feet out and asked to score on your own.

whoa wait lets reset. The Russell I'm talking about is D'Angelo Russell not Russell Westbrook

oh lol yeah thats VERY different. russell shot it really poorly here outside a couple hot stretches. its the main reason i dont want the guy here, he needs to be a better shooter. that said, id never expecting a high volume shooting gaurd to be more effcient thena guy who only shoots inside 3 feed of assists.

[MrDollarBills]

fair enough.

[shakendfries]

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I will always be a Jarrett Allen fan.

”With the really good ones, you know right away,” Kenny Atkinson said near the end of last season. “Not that I’m some savant, but I knew. His demeanor. Obviously, the talent he has. But he’s got a maturity about him that most 20-year-olds don’t have.”

Allen admits his interests are the same as his teammates. His favorite movie is Wes Anderson’s “Isle of Dogs,” a stop-motion animated film set in fantastical Japan. One his favorite video games is “The Legend of Zelda.” And of course, there’s his love of the intricacy of the PC. He built his first, using YouTube instructional videos, four years ago as a high school sophomore.

[Paradise]

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Our boy is ready to breakout into a star.

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In English: The Nets center, still only 20-years-old, is shooting from downtown … a lot.

Allen, who will drilled 5-of-15 (33%) three-point attempts as a rookie last season, says he’s worked extensively on improving that element of his game.

“I’ve been working in the gym a lot,” he told NetsDaily. “Trying improve on my decision making. Then obviously shooting. You’ve got to work on shooting nowadays.

“(I’ve been working on it) literally every day. Shooting three’s, mid-range, everything. I would say I’m shooting at least 50 (three’s) a day. Almost one hundred.”

[Born_Ready]

I think Myles Turner might be the most improved big man next season, but the development of Jarrett is a beautiful thing.

[MrDollarBills]

I think he should be encouraged to take that shot more in games. The small sample size leaves a lot to be desired but he has good form and release, even if its a bit slow.

[shakendfries]

when this dude starts playing 25+ mpg, screening & rolling hard, locking down the paint, and dropping 3s? dear lord

Marks needs to add Reddish to this roster at all costs

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