2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[bwgood77]

Hate the trade take on more salary for next year FAs.
Doesn't make any sense to me it's like a dump for Houston while having more upset for them.

Dumb McD

Not if we waive Anderson next year. He is only guaranteed what Knight was. And we would have had to decline Chriss' option this October to open up that space.

By removing Chriss (even with adding Melton) we opened up $3 million more next summer if needed, and if we do waive Anderson, we could also stretch him which would get us up somewhere close to $30 million I believe.

The defense of booker,Anderson and ayton could turn into cringe worthy. I really hate the trade. I feel knight and Chriss are going to contribute for Houston.

I don't think Anderson will play a ton of minutes. If he does play with Booker and Ayton though, he should really help their offense. I think we should play him more when Booker sits though and we have Bridges, Jackson or Reed at the 2.

[ATTL]

Remember how much Frye helped dragic a few years ago? Adding competent shooters will open the floor for booker and ayton

[Wilber85]

YAll are crazy if you like that trade ...

Knight and Chriss would have played a bigger role than anderson / Melton !

All we are missing is a PG ! Why would we trade for that instead of going all in for a PG ?

[ATTL]

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[Kerrsed]

Like i dont understand this......why the HELL do people want George FREAKIN' Hill?!?!?!??

Like in what world is Hill a good solid PG? Dude is making $20M a season and i wouldnt take him at $10M a season, but yet i keep seeing people bringing him up as a target like WTF!

The only ONLY thing he has going for him is that he can hit the 3 twice in a game on a good percentage, the rest of his game is trash. He isnt a distributor, he isnt a defender, he is a overpaid roleplayer that should be a back-up PG or even a 3rd stringer. Christ!

[LukasBMW]

Resigning fresh hair cut Payton for the min would have looked like a pretty good move right about now.

I wonder what we can actually get with that Bucks pick?

[BobbieL]

Like i dont understand this......why the HELL do people want George FREAKIN' Hill?!?!?!??

Like in what world is Hill a good solid PG? Dude is making $20M a season and i wouldnt take him at $10M a season, but yet i keep seeing people bringing him up as a target like WTF!

The only ONLY thing he has going for him is that he can hit the 3 twice in a game on a good percentage, the rest of his game is trash. He isnt a distributor, he isnt a defender, he is a overpaid roleplayer that should be a back-up PG or even a 3rd stringer. Christ!

If it costs you Chandler and Daniels ... that’s not much for a player that might be better . Plus you can keep Arthur , unless the buy out was done. Or sign Sauce

To me, hill and either Arthur or Sauce >> Tyson and Daniels

[lilfishi22]

Like i dont understand this......why the HELL do people want George FREAKIN' Hill?!?!?!??

Like in what world is Hill a good solid PG? Dude is making $20M a season and i wouldnt take him at $10M a season, but yet i keep seeing people bringing him up as a target like WTF!

The only ONLY thing he has going for him is that he can hit the 3 twice in a game on a good percentage, the rest of his game is trash. He isnt a distributor, he isnt a defender, he is a overpaid roleplayer that should be a back-up PG or even a 3rd stringer. Christ!

If it costs you Chandler and Daniels ... that’s not much for a player that might be better . Plus you can keep Arthur , unless the buy out was done. Or sign Sauce

To me, hill and either Arthur or Sauce >> Tyson and Daniels

Not at the expense of 2019 cap space. I'd rather keep those two and take the cap space because I'm pretty confident we'll be able to get a younger and better PG with cap space than Hill

[Kerrsed]

YAll are crazy if you like that trade ...

Knight and Chriss would have played a bigger role than anderson / Melton !

All we are missing is a PG ! Why would we trade for that instead of going all in for a PG ?

Knight/Chriss bigger role my ass! People seem to forget that when Knight was healthy (Which was rare), he was the WORST player in the whole NBA!Ok, he wasnt THE worst....there were 4 players worse than him (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/year/2017/page/12/sort/RPM), but still, thats horrible! Hell, this article right here pretty much explains what his major issues are and is a great read: https://94feetreport.com/the-demise-of-brandon-knight-8d8878b2379a

Anderson will have a huge role with us.



Someone on twitter said it best, "I trust Anderson to be a better starting PF than i do Knight being a better starting PG, and i trust Melton being a better back-up PG than i do Chriss being a better backup PF".

Suns are pushing ahead. The past few years we have been outright HORRIBLE at 3 Point shooting, so we have corrected that. Ariza hits around 2 and a half 3's per game at 37% and Anderson provides another 2 at 38%. Thats opposed to what we had last season with Jackson and Warren at SF (Less than 1 3 a game for Jackson at 24% and Warren hitting 5 3's ALL SEASON LONG at 24%) and Chriss/Bender at PF (1.5 a game for Bender at 36% isnt bad, but less than 1 a game at 29% for Chriss was pretty awful). Even with Andersons diminished role in Houston last season, he was still a top 10 PF when in comes to 3 Pointers made (Actually ranking #7).

Bookers going to draw a double team...and most likely so will Ayton.....so that should leave Anderson and Ariza pretty wide open to bomb away from 3.

[bwgood77]

Like i dont understand this......why the HELL do people want George FREAKIN' Hill?!?!?!??

Like in what world is Hill a good solid PG? Dude is making $20M a season and i wouldnt take him at $10M a season, but yet i keep seeing people bringing him up as a target like WTF!

The only ONLY thing he has going for him is that he can hit the 3 twice in a game on a good percentage, the rest of his game is trash. He isnt a distributor, he isnt a defender, he is a overpaid roleplayer that should be a back-up PG or even a 3rd stringer. Christ!

I don't WANT him other than I would trade Chandler, Daniels and the Milwaukee pick for him. I wouldn't trade a SF for him though. But under Kokoskov in Utah he had a 59.9 TS% with a 2.5-1 ast/to ratio and was a neutral defender. He's not a bad defender like most of our team has been. He can be a capable defender...he's average in that respect, can be an above avg efficiency shooter, has a good ast/to ratio, has played under great coaches like Pop, Snyder, and played in big time playoff games.

Mostly just because he's a pretty solid vet who would expire and I don't think there is any way we get other guys mentioned like Lillard, Walker, Rubio, Russell, etc.

I don't think I'd trade any of our other players for him, outside of maybe Anderson, but they wouldn't do that, and I don't think they would trade him for what I would be willing to offer anyway since they don't have much depth there and he's expiring anyway.

[bwgood77]

Like i dont understand this......why the HELL do people want George FREAKIN' Hill?!?!?!??

Like in what world is Hill a good solid PG? Dude is making $20M a season and i wouldnt take him at $10M a season, but yet i keep seeing people bringing him up as a target like WTF!

The only ONLY thing he has going for him is that he can hit the 3 twice in a game on a good percentage, the rest of his game is trash. He isnt a distributor, he isnt a defender, he is a overpaid roleplayer that should be a back-up PG or even a 3rd stringer. Christ!

If it costs you Chandler and Daniels ... that’s not much for a player that might be better . Plus you can keep Arthur , unless the buy out was done. Or sign Sauce

To me, hill and either Arthur or Sauce >> Tyson and Daniels

Not at the expense of 2019 cap space. I'd rather keep those two and take the cap space because I'm pretty confident we'll be able to get a younger and better PG with cap space than Hill

Hill's last year is only guaranteed for $1 million. If we did trade for him he would surely be waived after this year.

[phnart]

Something to talk about!!!!

I haven't really let this trade sink in yet, but my initial thoughts are thus: I will not miss either player the Suns traded and I do think Anderson's role is to space the floor. While he plays no D, really, Anderson is not going to be worse than Chriss who would regularly lose his f'n mind on D and just wander around looking lost. I don't know anything about Melton, but I've read nothing bad about him today as I perused the news and many seem to think he is the best player in this trade. What's coming next?

[Mjee]

If we don’t/are unable to trade for a pg... I wonder if J.J. can play point in Koko’s system ??

[TheLogician]

What if we trade for IT and destroy the team again?

[starbosa10]

If it costs you Chandler and Daniels ... that’s not much for a player that might be better . Plus you can keep Arthur , unless the buy out was done. Or sign Sauce

To me, hill and either Arthur or Sauce >> Tyson and Daniels

Not at the expense of 2019 cap space. I'd rather keep those two and take the cap space because I'm pretty confident we'll be able to get a younger and better PG with cap space than Hill

Hill's last year is only guaranteed for $1 million. If we did trade for him he would surely be waived after this year.

not sure what the point of giving up a 1st rounder for Hill is if we're just going to waive him after the season. I'd rather play the young guys

[lilfishi22]

If we don’t/are unable to trade for a pg... I wonder if J.J. can play point in Koko’s system ??

[bwgood77]

If we don’t/are unable to trade for a pg... I wonder if J.J. can play point in Koko’s system ??

No, not yet at least, and probably never. But he does remind of a SF version of Westbrook, so if he can make it a priority to set up others first and not want to do too much himself, he can maybe turn into a secondary ball handler.

[lilfishi22]

If it costs you Chandler and Daniels ... that’s not much for a player that might be better . Plus you can keep Arthur , unless the buy out was done. Or sign Sauce

To me, hill and either Arthur or Sauce >> Tyson and Daniels

Not at the expense of 2019 cap space. I'd rather keep those two and take the cap space because I'm pretty confident we'll be able to get a younger and better PG with cap space than Hill

Hill's last year is only guaranteed for $1 million. If we did trade for him he would surely be waived after this year.

Forgot about that. Don't see any reason why Cavs would do it

[bwgood77]

Not at the expense of 2019 cap space. I'd rather keep those two and take the cap space because I'm pretty confident we'll be able to get a younger and better PG with cap space than Hill

Hill's last year is only guaranteed for $1 million. If we did trade for him he would surely be waived after this year.

Forgot about that. Don't see any reason why Cavs would do it

Yeah, the MIL pick would be the only possible reason, but their PG depth is thin too without him. It would come down to whether they wanted to save money and get a probably late first.

I am ok going into the season with who we have, though I guess I don't have a great read on how well the rookie PGs will do against real NBA competition. Shaq was impressive to me against real NBA competition though when he finally played. And I'm sure he is hungry.

I would rather give him a shot than overpay for another mediocre vet PG. I think Hill would probably be good and properly motivated under Koko if we could get him for just that package. Some wouldn't like including that Bucks pick but I don't think it's particularly valuable and as long as we keep our own picks, I'm fine with dealing that.

[TheLogician]

What's PatBev's value? Could we get him for Troy Daniels and MIL pick?