2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[Saberestar]

What's PatBev's value? Could we get him for Troy Daniels and MIL pick?

I would make that trade.

But I think that the Clippers value more Beverley than Teodosic.

If rumors were true, the Clippers did not want Teodosic back, but he had a PO so they could not make anything about it.

We can try a simple trade like Teodosic and Boban for Chandler.

We can waive Boban and we just have a complete roster with minutes available for Ayton, Holmes and Anderson/Bender at C.

[King4Day]

What's PatBev's value? Could we get him for Troy Daniels and MIL pick?

I would make that trade.

But I think that the Clippers value more Beverley than Teodosic.

If rumors were true, the Clippers did not want Teodosic back, but he had a PO so they could not make anything about it.

We can try a simple trade like Teodosic and Boban for Chandler.

We can waive Boban and we just have a complete roster with minutes available for Ayton, Holmes and Anderson/Bender at C.

I'm pretty sure it was a team option and they picked it up. Meaning Bev, perhaps, could be had

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[Saberestar]

What's PatBev's value? Could we get him for Troy Daniels and MIL pick?

I would make that trade.

But I think that the Clippers value more Beverley than Teodosic.

If rumors were true, the Clippers did not want Teodosic back, but he had a PO so they could not make anything about it.

We can try a simple trade like Teodosic and Boban for Chandler.

We can waive Boban and we just have a complete roster with minutes available for Ayton, Holmes and Anderson/Bender at C.

I'm pretty sure it was a team option and they picked it up. Meaning Bev, perhaps, could be had

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No, it was a PO for $6.3M.

After Teodosic executed his option the Clippers had the opportunity to cut him and pay him only $2.1M, but they decided to have him on their roster for next season.

[gaspar]

What's PatBev's value? Could we get him for Troy Daniels and MIL pick?

That's a big overpay. Injury prone 30 year old on an expiring contract, who's still recovering from a serious knee injury for a 1st round pick? No, thanks. He wouldn't be worth it even if he was healthy and 3 years younger. He isn't that good.

[NuggetsWY]

Instead of trading for a veteran PG, which makes sense for the Suns in my opinion; why not sign a veteran? Jameer Nelson is still a free agent. No, he's not going to be a starter for the Suns, or at least not a major minutes guy. But he's a great teammate and leader and he can certainly be a stabilizing mentor type. No doubt there are some others that could fill that role, some might even be a better fit in terms of minutes.

What do the Suns fans think of this?

[NYG]

I question the current Knicks regime’s attachment to Frank Ntilikina in the sense that if it let’s them dump Noah outright, they would do it.

Ntilikina and Noah for Chandler, Daniels and Reed?

[MrMiyagi]

Ainge gonna gift us a point guard?

I'm confused by this move. It just feels too lateral to me.

[Saberestar]

Instead of trading for a veteran PG, which makes sense for the Suns in my opinion; why not sign a veteran? Jameer Nelson is still a free agent. No, he's not going to be a starter for the Suns, or at least not a major minutes guy. But he's a great teammate and leader and he can certainly be a stabilizing mentor type. No doubt there are some others that could fill that role, some might even be a better fit in terms of minutes.

What do the Suns fans think of this?

Not a fan of that idea.

We have Canaan with a non guaranteed contract, so if we want a minimum salary veteran we have already one on the roster.

We need an upgrade.

[KLEON]

Hey Terry Rozier do us Suns fans a favor and demand a trade

[BobbieL]

Like i dont understand this......why the HELL do people want George FREAKIN' Hill?!?!?!??

Like in what world is Hill a good solid PG? Dude is making $20M a season and i wouldnt take him at $10M a season, but yet i keep seeing people bringing him up as a target like WTF!

The only ONLY thing he has going for him is that he can hit the 3 twice in a game on a good percentage, the rest of his game is trash. He isnt a distributor, he isnt a defender, he is a overpaid roleplayer that should be a back-up PG or even a 3rd stringer. Christ!

I don't WANT him other than I would trade Chandler, Daniels and the Milwaukee pick for him. I wouldn't trade a SF for him though. But under Kokoskov in Utah he had a 59.9 TS% with a 2.5-1 ast/to ratio and was a neutral defender. He's not a bad defender like most of our team has been. He can be a capable defender...he's average in that respect, can be an above avg efficiency shooter, has a good ast/to ratio, has played under great coaches like Pop, Snyder, and played in big time playoff games.

Mostly just because he's a pretty solid vet who would expire and I don't think there is any way we get other guys mentioned like Lillard, Walker, Rubio, Russell, etc.

I don't think I'd trade any of our other players for him, outside of maybe Anderson, but they wouldn't do that, but I don't think they would trade him for what I would be willing to offer anyway since they don't have much depth there and he's expiring anyway.

I am not even giving the Cavs the Bucks pick. Maybe a second rounder but thats it. And second, it really would be dependent on if the Korver for Bayless trade did happen as that would mean Hill is more expendable. Granted, I probably do my deal for HIll either way but just thinking from the Cleveland perspective.

[BobbieL]

Hill's last year is only guaranteed for $1 million. If we did trade for him he would surely be waived after this year.

Forgot about that. Don't see any reason why Cavs would do it

Yeah, the MIL pick would be the only possible reason, but their PG depth is thin too without him. It would come down to whether they wanted to save money and get a probably late first.

I am ok going into the season with who we have, though I guess I don't have a great read on how well the rookie PGs will do against real NBA competition. Shaq was impressive to me against real NBA competition though when he finally played. And I'm sure he is hungry.

I would rather give him a shot than overpay for another mediocre vet PG. I think Hill would probably be good and properly motivated under Koko if we could get him for just that package. Some wouldn't like including that Bucks pick but I don't think it's particularly valuable and as long as we keep our own picks, I'm fine with dealing that.

One thing I noticed is that per Spotrac, Darrell Arthur has not been bought out yet. Meaning still on the roster as an expiring contract. I wonder if Ryan is holding on to that to add 7.4m to a trade. Or if Chandler is moved -- he can be kept.

I agree with the idea a few posts earlier of Boban and Teodosic for Chandler. That actually makes sense for the CLippers as Chandler would be "going home" and it makes sense for Tyson as he probably would play for the Clippers for the Suns, waive Boban and keep Milos. I can see that one happening actually. Also, would hurt the Suns as far as 15 player roster but help the Clippers.

So this is probably my "new leader" in the PG to the Suns sweepstakes .. Boban and Milos for Tyson

[Frank Lee]

Ainge gonna gift us a point guard?

I'm confused by this move. It just feels too lateral to me.

Thats what happens when you trade an untradable guy for an untradable guy. The real move here was IMO, obtaining another very decent PG prospect to go with Harrison and Okobo, while sacking a malcontent underachiever.

Looking at the rosters with possible PGs.... Teodosic just makes too much sense. But you know me.... I'd backflip it if Dragic was the target... an upgrade both for the team and for the conversations here.

Either way, you have to think Warren is the prime offering. Hate to see JJ go, but if the return is substantial, so be it. Too many here have unjustified love affairs with these youngsters. F-n ten years of suckatude says any and all can go in my book. (except obviously 'the Book')

[King4Day]

I would make that trade.

But I think that the Clippers value more Beverley than Teodosic.

If rumors were true, the Clippers did not want Teodosic back, but he had a PO so they could not make anything about it.

We can try a simple trade like Teodosic and Boban for Chandler.

We can waive Boban and we just have a complete roster with minutes available for Ayton, Holmes and Anderson/Bender at C.

I'm pretty sure it was a team option and they picked it up. Meaning Bev, perhaps, could be had

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No, it was a PO for $6.3M.

After Teodosic executed his option the Clippers had the opportunity to cut him and pay him only $2.1M, but they decided to have him on their roster for next season.

Ahh gotcha. So a lil bit of both. Didn't realize he had a PO first. Wonder why they gave him that

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Who says no to Okobo and the MIL pick for Tyus Jones?

[bwgood77]

Not at the expense of 2019 cap space. I'd rather keep those two and take the cap space because I'm pretty confident we'll be able to get a younger and better PG with cap space than Hill

Hill's last year is only guaranteed for $1 million. If we did trade for him he would surely be waived after this year.

not sure what the point of giving up a 1st rounder for Hill is if we're just going to waive him after the season. I'd rather play the young guys

Yeah, just depends on if you want a vet ball handler to play with Book, Jackson, Ayton, etc, instead of Shaq and rooks. I don't consider that pick to be all that valuable. We usually don't do much with late firsts anyway. Traded two late firstsplus a lotto pick for Chriss, took Ennis, Goodwin, etc.

[BobbieL]

Who says no to Okobo and the MIL pick for Tyus Jones?

I probably do. I want a bigger guard next to Book that won’t be defensively liable.

[Kerrsed]

The worst thing about our recent trade is having to suffer reading the horrible "Crappy-UnNamed-PG to PHX" trades that are racking up on the trade board. I counted around 20 or so that take up the first 2 pages. BARF!

JJ/Warren/Bucks 1st/2020 Suns 1st for the ability to pay Wall around $40M-$50M a season after this year. BARF!
Warren/Daniels to DET for Reggie Jackson. BARF!
Bridges to TOR for Delon Wright. DOUBLE BARF!
Chandler/Daniels/Bucks 1st to BRK for Dinwiddie/Crabbe. YIKES I STEPPED IN BARF!
Warren to IND for Corey Joseph. Is he that much better than our 4 current PG's? NOPEBAAAAARF!
Warren/Arthur/2 Phx 2nds to CLE for 33 year old $20M a season George Hill. Had great coaches, but has always been mediocre. BLEH!
Jackson/Bender to BOS for Rozier/Yabu/MEM 1st/BOS 1st. Terry was only scary for an overblown overhyped 12 games. SCARY BARF!
Warren to SA for Patty Mills. Oye! Its a BAFF from me mate!
JJ/Warren to SA for Murray/Gasol. SMH!

Seriously, that is what we are dealing with! Here are the only ones that i had any interest in doing (And they were still weak and not real Needle movers):

Daniels/2020 2nd to Dallas for Barea/2020 HOU 2nd. The downside he is old, much older than he looks or even plays, but the upside is that he isnt really a negative anywhere on the court. Solid playmaker, solid passer, can score in the paint, can hit the 3, can stay in front of his man, no major flaws besides his advanced age. Seriously one of the better choices IMHO that wouldnt cost us much.

Chandler/Bender/MIL 1st for Dragic/McGruber. Some will hate the idea of giving up Bender and a 1st for Dragic, but it is what it is, 3rd times a charm for Dragic here with his national coach. You also have to admit that its a hell of a lot better than those ideas posted up above in the BARF category!

There was another with the Clippers giving up PatBev or Milo, which im all about that PatBev, but Clipperfans were/are as well and are willing to give away Milo for next to nothing, and honestly i dont see why some people want Milo at all. Jerryd Bayless was another name i saw, wouldnt mind, but not a real needle mover at all. I still think the Sixers are the team to keep an eye on as they are STACKED with PG's. Bayless/Fultz/Simmons/Shammet/McConnell/Jackson/Shake, thats serious 7 players that run the point on one team. While Simmons and rookies like Shammet and Shake would most likely be off limits, i bet Fultz could be had for a price (May be too high than we would be willing to pay), but i still feel that TJ McConnell could very well be had and would be a great target for our FO to go after (And he's cheap!).

[Jdiddy701]

Who says no to Okobo and the MIL pick for Tyus Jones?

I wouldn’t trade Okobo for Tyus Jones. I wouldn’t trade the MIL pick for Tyus Jones. I definitely would not trade both Okobo and MIL pick for Tyus Jones.


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[BobbieL]

Hill's last year is only guaranteed for $1 million. If we did trade for him he would surely be waived after this year.

not sure what the point of giving up a 1st rounder for Hill is if we're just going to waive him after the season. I'd rather play the young guys

Yeah, just depends on if you want a vet ball handler to play with Book, Jackson, Ayton, etc, instead of Shaq and rooks. I don't consider that pick to be all that valuable. We usually don't do much with late firsts anyway. Traded two late firstsplus a lotto pick for Chriss, took Ennis, Goodwin, etc.

Suns still have expirings like Daniels Chandler and Arthur. Add a Bucks pick. What can they get

[bwgood77]

not sure what the point of giving up a 1st rounder for Hill is if we're just going to waive him after the season. I'd rather play the young guys

Yeah, just depends on if you want a vet ball handler to play with Book, Jackson, Ayton, etc, instead of Shaq and rooks. I don't consider that pick to be all that valuable. We usually don't do much with late firsts anyway. Traded two late firstsplus a lotto pick for Chriss, took Ennis, Goodwin, etc.

Suns still have expirings like Daniels Chandler and Arthur. Add a Bucks pick. What can they get

Well there are not many options out there if you are going to send that much money out and want to keep our cap space next summer, which is the reason Hill comes up. I saw a Minnesota poster pose a three way trade where the Suns get Teague and send out Anderson. But that likely eats into our cap space next summer. I'm not a huge fan either, but I know they play better with Jones and a lot of their fans would rather they start Jones. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1743770