Future Draft Games

[Dr Positivity]

My understanding was no, but it's migya's idea so it's up to him.

Good pickup, didn'y think of that. What do you all think, should that be alright or not?

It only affects a handful of players so I'm not too bothered.

On another note, should all the players being used as MVPs be picked in the first round? Any time you have a game with a restricted pool and an exception, the top pickers have the option to claim the best of the regular pool and then save their exception for later. For example, someone like 2012 Wade or 1996 Pippen + even a lower-end MVP seems like a clear advantage over the rest of the field.

I think 12 Wade and Pippen are beatable if the player gets a worse MVP/low rd 2 and 3 picks in a shallow draft. The all-star teammates should get cleaned out incredibly fast. Could also go back farther to include players like Frazier, Oscar, Havlicek, rookie Magic, 83 Erving, etc.

[Dr Positivity]

Good pickup, didn'y think of that. What do you all think, should that be alright or not?

It only affects a handful of players so I'm not too bothered.

On another note, should all the players being used as MVPs be picked in the first round? Any time you have a game with a restricted pool and an exception, the top pickers have the option to claim the best of the regular pool and then save their exception for later. For example, someone like 2012 Wade or 1996 Pippen + even a lower-end MVP seems like a clear advantage over the rest of the field.

I don't see it. Off the top of my head there has been about 20-25 MVPS since 1980 and probably only two or three many see as undesireable on a team, so there is plenty to choose from. MVPs should be picked in any round, up to the picker, as each team can only have one MVP anyway. Sure, the top pickers could go for the few stars that were on teams alongside the MVPs but it does even out because most MVPs were on the best teams and there was almost always one or two other great players with them.

I think the rule should be that you can't pick a teammate of an MVP if that player also won an MVP in their careers, otherwise it will diminish the MVPs to choose from pretty quickly. It just means that some of the MVPs won't be picked but some of them don't get picked in these games much anyway, like Iverson and Westbrook.

As Fade mentioned there aren't that many players who are affected by including former MVPs. Most likely the only players who would go high would be like 00 Kobe, 83 Erving, rookie Magic, 14 Westbrook, Then there's some old guys like 87 Kareem, 02/03 Robinson, 86 Walton who might get picked but not for a while, actually Kareem and Robinson will be gone by then as MVP picks anyways. I think there are likely enough MVPs back to 1980 to help support losing Magic, Kobe, Erving, and having less MVPs makes it more important to draft one high which could help make the draft less overpowered for the teams that get Kobe or Wade

[Laimbeer]

My understanding was no, but it's migya's idea so it's up to him.

Good pickup, didn'y think of that. What do you all think, should that be alright or not?

It only affects a handful of players so I'm not too bothered.

On another note, should all the players being used as MVPs be picked in the first round? Any time you have a game with a restricted pool and an exception, the top pickers have the option to claim the best of the regular pool and then save their exception for later. For example, someone like 2012 Wade or 1996 Pippen + even a lower-end MVP seems like a clear advantage over the rest of the field.

If I had a top pick I'd prefer Mike or LeBron to something like Pippen-Nash. I'd rather have a better Batman than a better Robin. When to exercise the exception is a big part of the strategy, imo.

[migya]

It only affects a handful of players so I'm not too bothered.

On another note, should all the players being used as MVPs be picked in the first round? Any time you have a game with a restricted pool and an exception, the top pickers have the option to claim the best of the regular pool and then save their exception for later. For example, someone like 2012 Wade or 1996 Pippen + even a lower-end MVP seems like a clear advantage over the rest of the field.

I don't see it. Off the top of my head there has been about 20-25 MVPS since 1980 and probably only two or three many see as undesireable on a team, so there is plenty to choose from. MVPs should be picked in any round, up to the picker, as each team can only have one MVP anyway. Sure, the top pickers could go for the few stars that were on teams alongside the MVPs but it does even out because most MVPs were on the best teams and there was almost always one or two other great players with them.

I think the rule should be that you can't pick a teammate of an MVP if that player also won an MVP in their careers, otherwise it will diminish the MVPs to choose from pretty quickly. It just means that some of the MVPs won't be picked but some of them don't get picked in these games much anyway, like Iverson and Westbrook.

As Fade mentioned there aren't that many players who are affected by including former MVPs. Most likely the only players who would go high would be like 00 Kobe, 83 Erving, rookie Magic, 14 Westbrook, Then there's some old guys like 87 Kareem, 02/03 Robinson, 86 Walton who might get picked but not for a while, actually Kareem and Robinson will be gone by then as MVP picks anyways. I think there are likely enough MVPs back to 1980 to help support losing Magic, Kobe, Erving, and having less MVPs makes it more important to draft one high which could help make the draft less overpowered for the teams that get Kobe or Wade

The problem I see is that most voters might be swayed in favor of a team that has, for example, Shaq and Kobe, citing that those two were near unstoppable on the Lakers championship teams. I think it is better to only have one MVP allowed but everyone can have a say what they think over the next day or two, as the other draft isn't finished yet, and then we can see where we are.

[Dr Positivity]

I don't see it. Off the top of my head there has been about 20-25 MVPS since 1980 and probably only two or three many see as undesireable on a team, so there is plenty to choose from. MVPs should be picked in any round, up to the picker, as each team can only have one MVP anyway. Sure, the top pickers could go for the few stars that were on teams alongside the MVPs but it does even out because most MVPs were on the best teams and there was almost always one or two other great players with them.

I think the rule should be that you can't pick a teammate of an MVP if that player also won an MVP in their careers, otherwise it will diminish the MVPs to choose from pretty quickly. It just means that some of the MVPs won't be picked but some of them don't get picked in these games much anyway, like Iverson and Westbrook.

As Fade mentioned there aren't that many players who are affected by including former MVPs. Most likely the only players who would go high would be like 00 Kobe, 83 Erving, rookie Magic, 14 Westbrook, Then there's some old guys like 87 Kareem, 02/03 Robinson, 86 Walton who might get picked but not for a while, actually Kareem and Robinson will be gone by then as MVP picks anyways. I think there are likely enough MVPs back to 1980 to help support losing Magic, Kobe, Erving, and having less MVPs makes it more important to draft one high which could help make the draft less overpowered for the teams that get Kobe or Wade

The problem I see is that most voters might be swayed in favor of a team that has, for example, Shaq and Kobe, citing that those two were near unstoppable on the Lakers championship teams. I think it is better to only have one MVP allowed but everyone can have a say what they think over the next day or two, as the other draft isn't finished yet, and then we can see where we are.

I think Kobe/Shaq is unlikely as Shaq would have to fall far, like end of Rd 2. There would be more realistic ones like Erving Moses, Stockton Malone, Bird McHale, Kareem Magic in play though. If you don't want as many real combos you could just have a rule outlawing it

[Fadeaway_J]

As Fade mentioned there aren't that many players who are affected by including former MVPs. Most likely the only players who would go high would be like 00 Kobe, 83 Erving, rookie Magic, 14 Westbrook, Then there's some old guys like 87 Kareem, 02/03 Robinson, 86 Walton who might get picked but not for a while, actually Kareem and Robinson will be gone by then as MVP picks anyways. I think there are likely enough MVPs back to 1980 to help support losing Magic, Kobe, Erving, and having less MVPs makes it more important to draft one high which could help make the draft less overpowered for the teams that get Kobe or Wade

The problem I see is that most voters might be swayed in favor of a team that has, for example, Shaq and Kobe, citing that those two were near unstoppable on the Lakers championship teams. I think it is better to only have one MVP allowed but everyone can have a say what they think over the next day or two, as the other draft isn't finished yet, and then we can see where we are.

I think Kobe/Shaq is unlikely as Shaq would have to fall far, like end of Rd 2. There would be more realistic ones like Erving Moses, Stockton Malone, Bird McHale, Kareem Magic in play though. If you don't want as many real combos you could just have a rule outlawing it

We don't need more restrictions on an already heavily restricted player pool. I've researched it myself and I can tell you there are several years where the MVP doesn't even have a proper #2 option to speak of.

[migya]

The problem I see is that most voters might be swayed in favor of a team that has, for example, Shaq and Kobe, citing that those two were near unstoppable on the Lakers championship teams. I think it is better to only have one MVP allowed but everyone can have a say what they think over the next day or two, as the other draft isn't finished yet, and then we can see where we are.

I think Kobe/Shaq is unlikely as Shaq would have to fall far, like end of Rd 2. There would be more realistic ones like Erving Moses, Stockton Malone, Bird McHale, Kareem Magic in play though. If you don't want as many real combos you could just have a rule outlawing it

We don't need more restrictions on an already heavily restricted player pool. I've researched it myself and I can tell you there are several years where the MVP doesn't even have a proper #2 option to speak of.

I haven't researched yet but just on memory the only MVPs that don't have a very good 2nd option are Admiral Robinson in 1995, Olajuwon in 1994, Nowitzki in 2007 and Westbrook in 2016. The rest do and for the ones that won multiple MVPs it is just picking a season where they did have a good 2nd option on their team. As I said before most MVPs were on one of the best teams those seasons so they have good players around them.

[Fadeaway_J]

I think Kobe/Shaq is unlikely as Shaq would have to fall far, like end of Rd 2. There would be more realistic ones like Erving Moses, Stockton Malone, Bird McHale, Kareem Magic in play though. If you don't want as many real combos you could just have a rule outlawing it

We don't need more restrictions on an already heavily restricted player pool. I've researched it myself and I can tell you there are several years where the MVP doesn't even have a proper #2 option to speak of.

I haven't researched yet but just on memory the only MVPs that don't have a very good 2nd option are Admiral Robinson in 1995, Olajuwon in 1994, Nowitzki in 2007 and Westbrook in 2016. The rest do and for the ones that won multiple MVPs it is just picking a season where they did have a good 2nd option on their team. As I said before most MVPs were on one of the best teams those seasons so they have good players around them.

What about:

LeBron in 2009 and 2010
KD in 2014 (Westbrook missed almost half the season and he wouldn't count anyway if you only allow one MVP)
Rose in 2011
Duncan in 2003
Moses in 1981

And that's not accounting for the fact that some teams (like MJ's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, and LeBron's Heat) were repeat champions but their best players only count once.

[Dr Positivity]

The pool will definitely get ugly, with the role players as well there's little flexibility between the lack of players and being locked into 1 season for them most of the time. I wouldn't have a problem with going 1970+

[8on]

had this idea a while ago, and I think it still works:

any season in which the player played in the Conference Finals

[migya]

We don't need more restrictions on an already heavily restricted player pool. I've researched it myself and I can tell you there are several years where the MVP doesn't even have a proper #2 option to speak of.

I haven't researched yet but just on memory the only MVPs that don't have a very good 2nd option are Admiral Robinson in 1995, Olajuwon in 1994, Nowitzki in 2007 and Westbrook in 2016. The rest do and for the ones that won multiple MVPs it is just picking a season where they did have a good 2nd option on their team. As I said before most MVPs were on one of the best teams those seasons so they have good players around them.

What about:

LeBron in 2009 and 2010
KD in 2014 (Westbrook missed almost half the season and he wouldn't count anyway if you only allow one MVP)
Rose in 2011
Duncan in 2003
Moses in 1981

And that's not accounting for the fact that some teams (like MJ's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, and LeBron's Heat) were repeat champions but their best players only count once.

Well for Lebron there are four seasons he was MVP, so using Wade alongside him is a no brainer, Wade would be a high pick here.
Durant had Ibaka, who actually has been picked a few times in these drafts.
Rose had Boozer and Noah, not bad players, not absolute stars but this draft is different in the regard that it will turn out like a normal team with only one or two stars.
Moses and Duncan didn't really have good players around them those seasons, but those two are dual MVPs and had one or more good players in their other MVP season.

I think it is actually quite even. You can definitely find 120 or so players that were teammates of an MVP and still have very good teams. I mean, most of us would agree that a real team like the 2000 Lakers or 1996 Bulls had good rosters on their own and we are picking players from every team that had an MVP. Even with 15-16 participants in this draft we will be picking from the teams of 20 odd MVPs, not including the ones that were teammates of an MVP, so very good teams can still be picked by everyone. I don't see Kenny Smith as the bad of a player at all, especially as a bench player.

[Laimbeer]

I haven't researched yet but just on memory the only MVPs that don't have a very good 2nd option are Admiral Robinson in 1995, Olajuwon in 1994, Nowitzki in 2007 and Westbrook in 2016. The rest do and for the ones that won multiple MVPs it is just picking a season where they did have a good 2nd option on their team. As I said before most MVPs were on one of the best teams those seasons so they have good players around them.

What about:

LeBron in 2009 and 2010
KD in 2014 (Westbrook missed almost half the season and he wouldn't count anyway if you only allow one MVP)
Rose in 2011
Duncan in 2003
Moses in 1981

And that's not accounting for the fact that some teams (like MJ's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, and LeBron's Heat) were repeat champions but their best players only count once.

Well for Lebron there are four seasons he was MVP, so using Wade alongside him is a no brainer, Wade would be a high pick here.
Durant had Ibaka, who actually has been picked a few times in these drafts.
Rose had Boozer and Noah, not bad players, not absolute stars but this draft is different in the regard that it will turn out like a normal team with only one or two stars.
Moses and Duncan didn't really have good players around them those seasons, but those two are dual MVPs and had one or more good players in their other MVP season.

I think it is actually quite even. You can definitely find 120 or so players that were teammates of an MVP and still have very good teams. I mean, most of us would agree that a real team like the 2000 Lakers or 1996 Bulls had good rosters on their own and we are picking players from every team that had an MVP. Even with 15-16 participants in this draft we will be picking from the teams of 20 odd MVPs, not including the ones that were teammates of an MVP, so very good teams can still be picked by everyone. I don't see Kenny Smith as the bad of a player at all, especially as a bench player.

You want to start a signup thread, or I can if you'd rather not run it.

[migya]

What about:

LeBron in 2009 and 2010
KD in 2014 (Westbrook missed almost half the season and he wouldn't count anyway if you only allow one MVP)
Rose in 2011
Duncan in 2003
Moses in 1981

And that's not accounting for the fact that some teams (like MJ's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, and LeBron's Heat) were repeat champions but their best players only count once.

Well for Lebron there are four seasons he was MVP, so using Wade alongside him is a no brainer, Wade would be a high pick here.
Durant had Ibaka, who actually has been picked a few times in these drafts.
Rose had Boozer and Noah, not bad players, not absolute stars but this draft is different in the regard that it will turn out like a normal team with only one or two stars.
Moses and Duncan didn't really have good players around them those seasons, but those two are dual MVPs and had one or more good players in their other MVP season.

I think it is actually quite even. You can definitely find 120 or so players that were teammates of an MVP and still have very good teams. I mean, most of us would agree that a real team like the 2000 Lakers or 1996 Bulls had good rosters on their own and we are picking players from every team that had an MVP. Even with 15-16 participants in this draft we will be picking from the teams of 20 odd MVPs, not including the ones that were teammates of an MVP, so very good teams can still be picked by everyone. I don't see Kenny Smith as the bad of a player at all, especially as a bench player.

You want to start a signup thread, or I can if you'd rather not run it.

Alright I'll create it between now and 9pm tomorrow. Gives time for the other draft to finalise before the playoffs start.

[Laimbeer]

Well for Lebron there are four seasons he was MVP, so using Wade alongside him is a no brainer, Wade would be a high pick here.
Durant had Ibaka, who actually has been picked a few times in these drafts.
Rose had Boozer and Noah, not bad players, not absolute stars but this draft is different in the regard that it will turn out like a normal team with only one or two stars.
Moses and Duncan didn't really have good players around them those seasons, but those two are dual MVPs and had one or more good players in their other MVP season.

I think it is actually quite even. You can definitely find 120 or so players that were teammates of an MVP and still have very good teams. I mean, most of us would agree that a real team like the 2000 Lakers or 1996 Bulls had good rosters on their own and we are picking players from every team that had an MVP. Even with 15-16 participants in this draft we will be picking from the teams of 20 odd MVPs, not including the ones that were teammates of an MVP, so very good teams can still be picked by everyone. I don't see Kenny Smith as the bad of a player at all, especially as a bench player.

You want to start a signup thread, or I can if you'd rather not run it.

Alright I'll create it between now and 9pm tomorrow. Gives time for the other draft to finalise before the playoffs start.

The other draft is over (except missing picks). If you can start sign ups now, it will be over before this draft starts (probably tomorrow).

[Laimbeer]

Nationality (1 player per nation)
This would hurt teams depth majorly
Like Nations that have had NBA players I can list off top of head
America, Canada, Brazil, Dominican republic, Australia, NZ, Russia, France, Spain, Lithuania, Latvia, Greece, The Central Euro Countries, Cameroon.
Enough internationals there to spread out tho not many stars making more team building less star oriented,
To not make it confusing with Kyrie and Simmons types its the nation they most recently declared for or represented,
Same regulations as other games apply otherise.

Height I would be interested to do, especially with modern smallball teams and having Shaq available.
Say 52ft of height, on average 6'5" so you get penalised for stars outside of most guards.
Making a more modern draft likely.

Though honestly I gonna have alot of time on my hands soon (break in study) so I keen for a draft game

I really like the nationality idea. Similar to Fade's International players draft. I'd go by birthplace since that's readily available at BR and isn't ambiguous. It would also beef up the non-US pool.

Could also consider an Olympic draft, where you could only choose a player season if he played in the Olympics the following summer. Wouldn't be limited to one per country, though.

[Laimbeer]

What about one really short experiment game which will only last two rounds. In first round you can draft any two players alltime and in the second round you will draft the rest of your team and end up with 8 like usual and maybe only from 2010 - 2018

reasons

I have always wanted to see some monsters duos like Lebron/Mike, Magic/Shaq etc..

The last drafter will pick his entire team in one go. I have no idea how it would go, the monster duos might win this in a landslide but if we limit the second round with a short timeframe then I could see the first pick end with a lot worse supporting cast than the later picks

anyway it would be really short game and we could just go with ranking

I like this, but I'm kind of concerned for the people as you go farther down. I wonder if there would be a big enough drop in the quality of the fianl six to bridge the advantage you'd be getting from Mike & LeBron, for example. But the tighter pool on the last six may help.

[Laimbeer]

Choose your accolade draft.

You can draft one MVP OR any two players who weren't MVPs, OR three maybe four players with third team as highest accolade.

[Dr Positivity]

Choose your accolade draft.

You can draft one MVP OR any two players who weren't MVPs, OR three maybe four players with third team as highest accolade.

So basically the Batman OR Robin game?

How are the other picks (non accolade) handled? Single picks?

[lilroddyb]

What about one really short experiment game which will only last two rounds. In first round you can draft any two players alltime and in the second round you will draft the rest of your team and end up with 8 like usual and maybe only from 2010 - 2018

reasons

I have always wanted to see some monsters duos like Lebron/Mike, Magic/Shaq etc..

The last drafter will pick his entire team in one go. I have no idea how it would go, the monster duos might win this in a landslide but if we limit the second round with a short timeframe then I could see the first pick end with a lot worse supporting cast than the later picks

anyway it would be really short game and we could just go with ranking

I like this, but I'm kind of concerned for the people as you go farther down. I wonder if there would be a big enough drop in the quality of the fianl six to bridge the advantage you'd be getting from Mike & LeBron, for example. But the tighter pool on the last six may help.

we could make it extreme for the second round were you can only select guys from 2017-18 season.

We could also just have a small pool of drafters like 8 or something

[Laimbeer]

Choose your accolade draft.

You can draft one MVP OR any two players who weren't MVPs, OR three maybe four players with third team as highest accolade.

So basically the Batman OR Robin game?

How are the other picks (non accolade) handled? Single picks?

Would be like a normal eight round draft except you choose which accolade restriction you want

One MVP, the other seven no accolades
Two of any stripe except MVPs, the other six no accolades
Four with no higher than 3rd team all-NBA and four with no accolades