2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

[Kerrsed]

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[oddity]

I'm sorry, but:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/australian-womens-national-team-lose-70-to-team-of-15yearold-boys-a3257266.html

[bigfoot]

I'm sorry, but:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/australian-womens-national-team-lose-70-to-team-of-15yearold-boys-a3257266.html

Poor example ... all women versus all boys team. What you need to recognize is there may be one special women that could compete on a team with men against another team of men. Sure it's hard to imagine but certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

[Kerrsed]

Booker/Butler/Jackson/Ariza/Ayton?

Gamble like OKC did with Paul George that after the season he see's enough to decide to stay.

[oddity]

I'm sorry, but:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/australian-womens-national-team-lose-70-to-team-of-15yearold-boys-a3257266.html

Poor example ... all women versus all boys team. What you need to recognize is there may be one special women that could compete on a team with men against another team of men. Sure it's hard to imagine but certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

It's admittedly bot a perfect example. It's difficult to find women/mens teams competing against each other, and even more difficult to find mixed teams facing each other. Still, my point is that even exceptional female athletes suffer innate disadvantages by being female. Like, yeah Taurasi is 175 lbs, but shes gonna have a higher body fat percentage than most male athletes at that weight. Less upper body strenght. Weaker grip. It just doesn't seem feasible. Its never been feasible historically, and I don't see that changing now.

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[bigfoot]

I'm sorry, but:
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/australian-womens-national-team-lose-70-to-team-of-15yearold-boys-a3257266.html

Poor example ... all women versus all boys team. What you need to recognize is there may be one special women that could compete on a team with men against another team of men. Sure it's hard to imagine but certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

It's admittedly bot a perfect example. It's difficult to find women/mens teams competing against each other, and even more difficult to find mixed teams facing each other. Still, my point is that even exceptional female athletes suffer innate disadvantages by being female. Like, yeah Taurasi is 175 lbs, but shes gonna have a higher body fat percentage than most male athletes at that weight. Less upper body strenght. Weaker grip. It just doesn't seem feasible. Its never been feasible historically, and I don't see that changing now.

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Imagine an elite athletic women who could possibly be considered a middling to average NBA athlete. Now give her elite basketball IQ and super elite shooting. Say should could hit the three at 45% from Steph Curry Range and because of her BBIQ defend like oh say ... Steve Nash. Could she be a bench player. Most likely. Certainly a situational player. Probably not a starter but certainly could contribute. Again not outside the realm of possibilities in the next 20 years.

[Kerrsed]

Truth be told i brought up Diana to try to break up the monotony of PG names that have been discussed to death.

[bigfoot]

Truth be told i brought up Diana to try to break up the monotony of PG names that have been discussed to death.

Yeah you pot stirrer

[TASTIC]

Poor example ... all women versus all boys team. What you need to recognize is there may be one special women that could compete on a team with men against another team of men. Sure it's hard to imagine but certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

It's admittedly bot a perfect example. It's difficult to find women/mens teams competing against each other, and even more difficult to find mixed teams facing each other. Still, my point is that even exceptional female athletes suffer innate disadvantages by being female. Like, yeah Taurasi is 175 lbs, but shes gonna have a higher body fat percentage than most male athletes at that weight. Less upper body strenght. Weaker grip. It just doesn't seem feasible. Its never been feasible historically, and I don't see that changing now.

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Imagine an elite athletic women who could possibly be considered a middling to average NBA athlete. Now give her elite basketball IQ and super elite shooting. Say should could hit the three at 45% from Steph Curry Range and because of her BBIQ defend like oh say ... Steve Nash. Could she be a bench player. Most likely. Certainly a situational player. Probably not a starter but certainly could contribute. Again not outside the realm of possibilities in the next 20 years.

Serena Williams AND Venus Williams both lost to the men's 203rd ranked player in 1998.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis)

This isn't a women bashing attempt, it's just physically Taurasi could NOT hang...

[BurningHeart]

You guys are just a bunch of sexist bigots bro.

[oddity]

You guys are just a bunch of sexist bigots bro.

Can't tell if sarcasm

[oddity]

Poor example ... all women versus all boys team. What you need to recognize is there may be one special women that could compete on a team with men against another team of men. Sure it's hard to imagine but certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

It's admittedly bot a perfect example. It's difficult to find women/mens teams competing against each other, and even more difficult to find mixed teams facing each other. Still, my point is that even exceptional female athletes suffer innate disadvantages by being female. Like, yeah Taurasi is 175 lbs, but shes gonna have a higher body fat percentage than most male athletes at that weight. Less upper body strenght. Weaker grip. It just doesn't seem feasible. Its never been feasible historically, and I don't see that changing now.

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Imagine an elite athletic women who could possibly be considered a middling to average NBA athlete. Now give her elite basketball IQ and super elite shooting. Say should could hit the three at 45% from Steph Curry Range and because of her BBIQ defend like oh say ... Steve Nash. Could she be a bench player. Most likely. Certainly a situational player. Probably not a starter but certainly could contribute. Again not outside the realm of possibilities in the next 20 years.

But would she even be an average athlete by nba standards? Like I said 175 is really light by nba standards, and a healthy womans body fat % is still gonna be about twice that of a similarly fit man's. Women have 50% less upper body strength than men on average, and that probably makes her weaker than even guys like Tyler Ulis. If you can't hold your weight in the paint you won't be able to score efficiently there, and if you can't score in the paint defenders will just hound you out to the 3pt line.. I really just don't see this ever working so call me a sexist if you want I guess.

[lilfishi22]

I'm all for seeing Taurasi play in the NBA just so once and for all, we don't need to have this conversation again.

[ryanball]

Only way a female player could work is if the whole league had some kind of Emperor's New Clothes thing going on.

The hype would be immense, she's said to be just as good if not better than most male players, etc. So the idea is that nobody wants to be the one to stop her. And she just gets to run around and do whatever she wants, with only a token of feigned resistance.

Of course I don't think this is at all likely. I doubt most NBA players would care THAT much about signaling, especially not out on the court with their blood up.

[PhxLax]

Serious question , not trying for politics or sexist:

Isn't it illegal for female to join NBA? Isn't NBA a men's league and WNBA the women's league? How u even allowed to sign a retired female player? Not sure I follow.

[PhxLax]

The PG hunt...

Pretty sure who ever sends Suns a starting PG they would want one of the youngsters (Okobo or Melton) as well as one of the wings (Warren or Jackson) in return. If salaries need matching then you've also got one of the bigs (Chandler, Arthur). So basically you're looking at a potential trade of Warren-Okobo-Arthur or something like that if u bringing back salary.

As for star PG's, Kemba (Kupchak wants him a Hornet for life) and Lillard (not leaving Portland) is not gonna happen. Clips most likely not giving up Beverley, they really really like him. I do see the Suns having one of these 10 point guards by start of October -- no particular order:

Dragic --> prob most attainable. But does he wanna come here again?
Rozier --> Danny Ainge gonna play hard to get, he usually rips people off in trades
Teodosic --> don't play a lick of defense; I question if he is good fit w/ Booker
JJ Barea --> temporary veteran glue piece for a year w/o eating cap space, teach the kids
Ntilikina --> may be redundant w/ Shaq-Okobo-Melton, but you'd have to give up a young PG for him
Brogdon --> absolutely my choice here, but what would be the cost??? He would be awesome here!!!
D Collison --> second choice here. IND got C.Joseph, A.Holiday at PG, plus Tyreke Evans may play PG
K Dunn --> if they wanna roll LaVine at point, he could be expendable? He's a solid guy that can steal.
D. Russell --> why not? They like Dinwiddie a lot and not like he eats up cap space
G Hill ---> same as Barea, just a temporary glue veteran, but eats up cap space so not sure

[AtheJ415]

If you can get Russell you do it. But aside from him most are stopgap guys who we shouldn't be giving up much for at all. Maybe Goran just because of his fit with Igor, but even then we are losing max FA next year just by taking his salary. Next FA has a number of PGs who can fit and we can sign them then.

We should not give up a guy like Melton for anybody who can't stay long-term or who is not a true needle-mover, particularly when he is a good fit with the team and more importantly Booker.

Lillard is the guy you sell the farm for. He won't be available though unless Portland bombs this year and they blow it up.

[TASTIC]

The PG hunt...

Pretty sure who ever sends Suns a starting PG they would want one of the youngsters (Okobo or Melton) as well as one of the wings (Warren or Jackson) in return. If salaries need matching then you've also got one of the bigs (Chandler, Arthur). So basically you're looking at a potential trade of Warren-Okobo-Arthur or something like that if u bringing back salary.

As for star PG's, Kemba (Kupchak wants him a Hornet for life) and Lillard (not leaving Portland) is not gonna happen. Clips most likely not giving up Beverley, they really really like him. I do see the Suns having one of these 10 point guards by start of October -- no particular order:

Dragic --> prob most attainable. But does he wanna come here again?
Rozier --> Danny Ainge gonna play hard to get, he usually rips people off in trades
Teodosic --> don't play a lick of defense; I question if he is good fit w/ Booker
JJ Barea --> temporary veteran glue piece for a year w/o eating cap space, teach the kids
Ntilikina --> may be redundant w/ Shaq-Okobo-Melton, but you'd have to give up a young PG for him
Brogdon --> absolutely my choice here, but what would be the cost??? He would be awesome here!!!
D Collison --> second choice here. IND got C.Joseph, A.Holiday at PG, plus Tyreke Evans may play PG
K Dunn --> if they wanna roll LaVine at point, he could be expendable? He's a solid guy that can steal.
D. Russell --> why not? They like Dinwiddie a lot and not like he eats up cap space
G Hill ---> same as Barea, just a temporary glue veteran, but eats up cap space so not sure

^Dinwiddie's the guy I want out of all the PGs you mentioned there. Like Dunn too with his potential as a lockdown defender.

Big pass on Teodosic...I get the attraction but just don't think he'd be a good fit.

Also add Delon Wright, Josh Hart and Tyus Jones as young guys who look like they'd be a good fit next to Booker.

[pidi]

The PG hunt...

Pretty sure who ever sends Suns a starting PG they would want one of the youngsters (Okobo or Melton) as well as one of the wings (Warren or Jackson) in return. If salaries need matching then you've also got one of the bigs (Chandler, Arthur). So basically you're looking at a potential trade of Warren-Okobo-Arthur or something like that if u bringing back salary.

As for star PG's, Kemba (Kupchak wants him a Hornet for life) and Lillard (not leaving Portland) is not gonna happen. Clips most likely not giving up Beverley, they really really like him. I do see the Suns having one of these 10 point guards by start of October -- no particular order:

Dragic --> prob most attainable. But does he wanna come here again?
Rozier --> Danny Ainge gonna play hard to get, he usually rips people off in trades
Teodosic --> don't play a lick of defense; I question if he is good fit w/ Booker
JJ Barea --> temporary veteran glue piece for a year w/o eating cap space, teach the kids
Ntilikina --> may be redundant w/ Shaq-Okobo-Melton, but you'd have to give up a young PG for him
Brogdon --> absolutely my choice here, but what would be the cost??? He would be awesome here!!!
D Collison --> second choice here. IND got C.Joseph, A.Holiday at PG, plus Tyreke Evans may play PG
K Dunn --> if they wanna roll LaVine at point, he could be expendable? He's a solid guy that can steal.
D. Russell --> why not? They like Dinwiddie a lot and not like he eats up cap space
G Hill ---> same as Barea, just a temporary glue veteran, but eats up cap space so not sure

^Dinwiddie's the guy I want out of all the PGs you mentioned there. Like Dunn too with his potential as a lockdown defender.

Big pass on Teodosic...I get the attraction but just don't think he'd be a good fit.

Also add Delon Wright, Josh Hart and Tyus Jones as young guys who look like they'd be a good fit next to Booker.

i dont want Dragic, the way he left us says everything about him... he may be the best fit but i hate him...

i'd Love to get one of these veterans, wouldnt mind ghill, if he's going to school the young guns


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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Since everyone's so eager to send out TJ in a deal for a PG, I assume the PG we get back will be a 20 PPG 6 APG caliber player, in the first year of a 4 year deal paying $50 million? And yet all the names I see being bandied about look like 12 PPG 4 APG types.

Some were afraid of seeing Marquese blow up on the Rockets, well.... you send TJ out east and I think he has an outside shot at making the ASG. I realize we've created a huge log jam at the forward spots, but giving up TJ for some mediocre Top 30 PG would be too painful.