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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#461 » by closg00 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:00 pm

verbal8 wrote:I think Beto has a real chance. Cruz is a really bad candidate. Looking through the Texas districts - there aren't a lot of purples and those that are - generally are Red districts that are a Democratic long shot. It really looks like it will come down to turn out. Cruz is the type of candidate who suppresses his own turn-out. Beto is the type of candidate who convinces casual voters to vote.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ted-cruz-chastises-beto-o-000225074.html


Cruz has been consistently ahead of Beto, it makes for a good news story that polling has tightened, but Rafael wins in deep red Texas.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#462 » by dckingsfan » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:07 pm

queridiculo wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Wait what? When does it make sense to limit your base as a manufacturer? This is just ridiculous...

Branding and brand loyalty are far more important than how wide your base is.

You make a good point. But as a manufacturer, you aren't trying to alienate a potential group of buyers. Especially one that isn't small.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#463 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:18 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Is there really an equivalence there? If there is, we might not be able to get through this as a country.

There is no equivalence. He's just being purposely obtuse.

There is no equivalence to a manufacturer? Watching both sides get triggered? sigh...


You're equivocating white supremacist Steve Bannon with Colin Kaepernick who's fighting for racial justice and has been raising millions of dollars for charity. Just stop. Your argument is silly.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#464 » by pancakes3 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:20 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa4a3cf816e6

idk what's worse, a president who's guilty of committing crimes while in office or a president innocent but too stupid to testify as such.

what a goddang sh*tshow.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#465 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:25 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Wait what? When does it make sense to limit your base as a manufacturer? This is just ridiculous...

Branding and brand loyalty are far more important than how wide your base is.

You make a good point. But as a manufacturer, you aren't trying to alienate a potential group of buyers. Especially one that isn't small.


I think you're overestimating the sales value of "deplorables" and how many of them would actually follow through on a boycott (not many). Meanwhile this announcement is going to give a temporary sales boost from people who support Kaepernick and/or his platform who may not be brand loyalists.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#466 » by gtn130 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:32 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:As Steve Bannon and The New Yorker did with the liberal readers?

Steve Bannon is a **** white supremacist. That piece of trash's name doesn't belong in the same sentence as Colin Kaepernick.

And the other side feels the same way you do - nice to watch both sides get triggered so viscerally :D


You should probably rethink this
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#467 » by verbal8 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:32 pm

pancakes3 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa4a3cf816e6

idk what's worse, a president who's guilty of committing crimes while in office or a president innocent but too stupid to testify as such.

what a goddang sh*tshow.


Wow! Nothing super surprising in isolation, but the whole scene sounds like an absolute disaster.

Even if you love his policies, why would you want him to be president after the end of his term? Wouldn't Pence be a much better option?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#468 » by gtn130 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:33 pm

Pointgod wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:There is no equivalence. He's just being purposely obtuse.

There is no equivalence to a manufacturer? Watching both sides get triggered? sigh...


You're equivocating white supremacist Steve Bannon with Colin Kaepernick who's fighting for racial justice and has been raising millions of dollars for charity. Just stop. Your argument is silly.


Yeah this. The equivalence being drawn is total insanity
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#469 » by queridiculo » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:50 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Wait what? When does it make sense to limit your base as a manufacturer? This is just ridiculous...

Branding and brand loyalty are far more important than how wide your base is.

You make a good point. But as a manufacturer, you aren't trying to alienate a potential group of buyers. Especially one that isn't small.


That's a very macro view to take.

Sure, all things being equal you want to sell as many widgets as you possibly can, but our markets nowadays are far too complex to take such a simplistic view.

Consumers aren't just looking for products that satisfy a basic need. They are increasingly making purchasing decisions based on emotions and attaining a sense of belonging or being a part of something. To a lot of people what they buy is an expression of who they are or who they aspire to be.

There are a gazillion companies out there that can sell you shoes or sporting goods of quality similar to Nike at a much cheaper price, so why are they flocking to companies that sell those products at a premium?

Nike's ascension is basically a marketing success story, and you can bet your ass that when Phil Knight signed of on making Kaepernick a centerpiece of their new campaign they were acutely aware of who their customer base is and what impact that choice could have.

The amplification effect of the conservative outrage alone carries a monetary value that's hard to measure.

Heck, to anybody with even a degree of intellectual honesty making the choice to stand with the athletes that market and promote their products shouldn't even be a question.

For a company with global reach, the risk of alienating people that use Kaepernick as a lightning rod for their hatred shouldn't ever factor into their decision making.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#470 » by FAH1223 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:52 pm

queridiculo wrote:I always find it interesting to listen to the likes of Hedges and Chomsky and seeing how far removed their ideas and observations are from our political discourse and policies.

Whether it's the left or the right, it's all just a sideshow and the constant bickering forth and back won't do a damn thing to solve anything.


The issue Hedges and Chomsky are removed from current political discourse is because they are rarely allowed on the big media outlets.

There's a different reality thats portrayed. Hedges being a former NYT war correspondent writes his observations coldly and factually. It's pretty refreshing.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#471 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:56 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:Trump is a game changer. Politicians will be held to a higher standard...of making the economy work for everyone and many other great things trump has done regardless of however unpolished he comes off.




Ummm....the economy isn't working for everyone.



Trump’s Promises to ‘Forgotten Man’ Undercut by Wage Stagnation

Real wages have remained mostly stagnant despite an expanding economy, record stock prices, soaring corporate profits and a giant deficit-fueled stimulus from Trump’s tax cuts that took effect Jan. 1. The Trump administration claimed its policies would immediately boost wages, with its tax overhaul ultimately increasing average pay by $4,000 to $9,000.

Once the impact of inflation is included, ordinary Americans’ hourly earnings are lower than they were a year ago.

A majority of voters believes their personal financial situation has remained the same or gotten worse over the past two years, said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University poll.

By a margin of 58 percent to 38 percent, U.S. voters believe the Trump administration isn’t doing enough to help middle-class Americans, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Aug. 14.

At the same time, many Americans received a boost in take-home pay from the tax cuts, though some ended up paying more in taxes. About 65 percent of taxpayers will receive a tax cut in 2018, averaging $2,200 from the new law’s individual provisions, while 6 percent will receive an increase of about $2,800...

Trump has been telling voters that wages already are rising at historic rates, though economic data don’t show it. In various recent speeches, he has falsely claimed that wages are going up for the first time in 18 years, 19 years, 20 years, 21 years and 22 years.



“People that depend on wages -- and that’s essentially almost everyone except higher-income or higher-wealth individuals -- are not seeing as much benefit from this economy,” said Gregory Daco, head of U.S. macroeconomics at Oxford Economics in New York. “People at the lower end of the income spectrum are actually more constrained.”
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#472 » by queridiculo » Tue Sep 4, 2018 5:01 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
The issue Hedges and Chomsky are removed from current political discourse is because they are rarely allowed on the big media outlets.

There's a different reality thats portrayed. Hedges being a former NYT war correspondent writes his observations coldly and factually. It's pretty refreshing.


It's a shame really, because at the core the issues this country face aren't as complex as they are being made out to be.

Militarism and corporatism should really be at the core of the political discourse.

We should be discussing the effect the narrow focus on shareholder value and the sole pursuit of the profit motive has on income inequality and our environment, and we should be able to have a discussion about the out of control military spending has on our ability to provide quality healthcare and a quality education.

The people are the losers, it doesn't matter if you vote R or D, and as long as the masses continue to be distracted by the sideshows instead of dealing with the facts things are only going to get worse.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#473 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 5:06 pm

pancakes3 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa4a3cf816e6

idk what's worse, a president who's guilty of committing crimes while in office or a president innocent but too stupid to testify as such.

what a goddang sh*tshow.


awwwww...unelected employees, aides in fact, appointed by the president can NOT control the president!!! isn't that special!!

newsflash!!!: Trump is an outsider. And brings with him and outsider's point of view. a good thing. A breath of fresh fricking air!!
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#474 » by stilldropin20 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 5:14 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:Trump is a game changer. Politicians will be held to a higher standard...of making the economy work for everyone and many other great things trump has done regardless of however unpolished he comes off.




Ummm....the economy isn't working for everyone.





Trade deals are just now being negotiated. We are 8 months into the tax plan. Most people's 401K are up 40-80% since trump was elected.

i get it that 20 year olds are not benefitting. Well guess what...they are not suppose to benefit. This is their time to work and invest in our economy...they have been living off of their parents for 2 decades and finally about to begin their careers of working. If they pick good careers and put in the work they will see the benefits 15-25 years later. Thats how it works. They have been sucking off their parents and the government's teets for decades. Now they work and if they invest in our makets they too will feel the results of a trump type of economy decades later.

I literally cant beleive how Americans have become impatient babies. Whiners. Entitled. They want everything now...before they do the work. It will never work that way...people lose motivation to do the actual work if you give them the fruits of labor before they actually do the labor.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#475 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Sep 4, 2018 5:21 pm

Tweet of the Day...and wise counsel to all of the President's current allies. Specifically Devin Nunes...

(Warning, unsuitable language.)


Spoiler:
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Seriously, seeing how DJT has treated Sessions, Tillerson, Scaramucci, Bannon, Christie, Cohen...why do people even bother aligning with the guy?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#476 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Sep 4, 2018 5:35 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:Trump is a game changer. Politicians will be held to a higher standard...of making the economy work for everyone and many other great things trump has done regardless of however unpolished he comes off.

Most people's 401K are up 40-80% since trump was elected
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Again...the economy isn't working for everyone.


Eric Trump says 401(k)s are doing great, but half of American families don’t have one

Eric Trump pointed to the stellar performance of 401(k) retirement accounts as evidence that his father's economic policies were helping average Americans.

In 2016, according to the federal Survey of Consumer Finances, just more than half of Americans had some sort of retirement account -- a 401(k), IRA, etc. That means nearly half of American households have no dedicated retirement savings.

For the past 15 years, the share with retirement accounts has hovered between 49 and 53 percent.

Like so much else in today's economy, that shift has primarily benefited the wealthy. Richer households can contribute more to their retirement plans, and they can afford to hire accountants, tax professionals and money managers to maximize the returns on their investments. The result is apparent in the chart below, which traces the median value of retirement accounts by net worth percentiles.

The big story here is how the retirement assets of the top 10 percent of households, and to a lesser extent the top 25 percent, are peeling away from everyone else.

The richest households are leaving everyone else in the dust. American capitalism is a well-oiled machine for creating winners and losers, and the winners are taking it all.

Going back to Eric Trump's point, a roaring year for the stock market is indeed good news for those families who are significantly invested in it. But about half of American households have no retirement savings, and many more are unable to save as much as experts say they'll need.
Washington Post -- January 2018
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#477 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Sep 4, 2018 5:48 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:Most people's 401K are up 40-80% since trump was elected.


401(k)s Could Be a Casualty of Trump’s Trade War
Donald Trump’s brewing trade war could have another collateral victim: Americans’ retirement savings.

This is where the tariffs come in. The second quarter will give the first look at whether fears of a trade war have disrupted those overseas earnings. Probably not yet, at least according to analysts. That’s why they are predicting stronger earnings, though those high expectations do present the possibility that they could fall short of forecasts.

The real question is what effect Trump’s escalating trade war will have on profits for the rest of the year. the dollar is up about 5 percent in the past three months compared with other global currencies; that’s more bad news for U.S. exporters, making their goods more expensive overseas.

Indeed, RBC strategists noted last week that the projections for S&P 500 companies with a high percentage of international sales have started to fall. Companies with more domestic exposure have not experienced the same downward sales revisions from analysts.

Tariff Woes

Stocks have struggled to regain last year's highs as trade war fears have risen

That’s why the tariffs matter so much. About 40 percent of the sales of the companies in the S&P 500, but an estimated 60 percent of the sales growth, come from overseas, according to Butters’s numbers. If a trade war chokes that off, it’s hard to see how stocks stay at current heights.

And now we’re talking a blow to 401(k)s. The news last week that Harley-Davidson Inc. was moving some jobs overseas was received with some condemnation but not a huge backlash. A few jobs is a price, it appears, Trump and his supporters are willing to pay. A sustained drop in the investment that makes up the core of most Americans’ retirement savings might be another story.
Bloomberg News -- July 2018
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#478 » by queridiculo » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:00 pm

pancakes3 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa4a3cf816e6

idk what's worse, a president who's guilty of committing crimes while in office or a president innocent but too stupid to testify as such.

what a goddang sh*tshow.


What an incredible circus, staffers stealing letters to prevent Trump from withdrawing from trade agreements without him noticing :lol:

Who's the bigger joke, Trump, or all of his minions rubber stamping this buffoonery.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#479 » by dckingsfan » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:01 pm

queridiculo wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Branding and brand loyalty are far more important than how wide your base is.

You make a good point. But as a manufacturer, you aren't trying to alienate a potential group of buyers. Especially one that isn't small.

That's a very macro view to take.

Sure, all things being equal you want to sell as many widgets as you possibly can, but our markets nowadays are far too complex to take such a simplistic view.

Consumers aren't just looking for products that satisfy a basic need. They are increasingly making purchasing decisions based on emotions and attaining a sense of belonging or being a part of something. To a lot of people what they buy is an expression of who they are or who they aspire to be.

There are a gazillion companies out there that can sell you shoes or sporting goods of quality similar to Nike at a much cheaper price, so why are they flocking to companies that sell those products at a premium?

Nike's ascension is basically a marketing success story, and you can bet your ass that when Phil Knight signed of on making Kaepernick a centerpiece of their new campaign they were acutely aware of who their customer base is and what impact that choice could have.

The amplification effect of the conservative outrage alone carries a monetary value that's hard to measure.

Heck, to anybody with even a degree of intellectual honesty making the choice to stand with the athletes that market and promote their products shouldn't even be a question.

For a company with global reach, the risk of alienating people that use Kaepernick as a lightning rod for their hatred shouldn't ever factor into their decision making.

Interesting POV - I hadn't considered that... so, if another brand is smart, they start pushing the anti-Nike brand? And you divide up retail based upon politics?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#480 » by dckingsfan » Tue Sep 4, 2018 6:07 pm

gtn130 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Steve Bannon is a **** white supremacist. That piece of trash's name doesn't belong in the same sentence as Colin Kaepernick.

And the other side feels the same way you do - nice to watch both sides get triggered so viscerally :D

You should probably rethink this

Why? I am not agreeing with Bannon. I was pointing out that both sides are melting down about very little.

Really, Colin can't take a knee?

Really, a magazine can't interview Bannon?

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