Political Roundtable Part XXII

[Zonkerbl]

I bet if we rounded up all the left handers in this country, told them they were stupid their entire lives, denied them access to finance that right handers get, told the police left handers are suspicious and they should pay particular attention to them, after a few generations their IQ tests would be lower than right handers and their reported crime statistics would be higher, and probably their "real" crime rate would be higher too. Probably right handers would aspire to live in high class right handed neighborhoods and neighborhoods where left-handers end up would become slums. Assuming you can't just pretend to be a right hander. Would it then be correct to say that left handers are inherently inferior to right handers? The statistics would bear it out.

[Wizardspride]

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[stilldropin20]

real equality begins and ends with financial equality.

wake me up when you fools are willing to implement at least an 80% death tax on all estates over $5Million. and 95% on all estates over $50Million. Where no one is spared. No non-profits. no trusts. no foundations. It all gets liquidated and heavily taxed.

wake me up when your ready!! until then you are simply lying to yourself. You dont actually care about equality. The money must be recaptured then it must be redistributed equally.

until then, you are all FOFBFS!!!!

^^^once you FOFS liars are ready for that (never)...then lets remove all taxes for everyone earning less than $40K. Taxes start at 40K.

after that...let move the minimum wage to $15 per hour chicago cost of living (more in NY less in Kansas).

After that lets make business owner provide health care. and lets give small business owner a 50% discount (paid for by large business owners).

when you whining cry babies are ready to do any of this then i know you are serious. until then i'll keep my money and give ya 2 fingers up. (and i'll keep my doctor!!) FLPOSBSA's!!!!

None of you will do any of this which makes you bull crap artists. lying yourselves.

none of these issues you talk about ad nausea mean anything. it doesn't matter if players kneel and it doesn't matter if the president calls them out for kneeling. presence of automatic guns dont matter. presence of drugs all over the country doesn't matter. nothing matters but the money.

You fix the unequal distribution of money of the problem and you end up fixing basically every other single problem. wake up!!

[pancakes3]

i bet there would be left handers that managed their way to middling success in your hypothetical world and their take on your left/right society is that the lefties just need to quit complaining and bootstrap themselves. they would even possibly elect a president who buys into those crime stats and claim that all left handers are rapists. mexico, muslim countries, and africa are collectively referred to as sh*thole countries on account of their inflated rates of left-handedness.

right handers who live in border nations would be denied passport renewals because they present as ambidextrous.

those who protest against the hand-bias in this nation by kneeling during sports events will be vilified by the president. right handers will burn their jerseys and shoes over this.

when left handers cry out that their hands matter as well, they are met with angry chants that all hands matter.

all this hands talk is making me miss hands...

[stilldropin20]

i bet there would be left handers that managed their way to middling success in your hypothetical world and their take on your left/right society is that the lefties just need to quit complaining and bootstrap themselves. they would even possibly elect a president who buys into those crime stats and claim that all left handers are racist. mexico, muslim countries, and africa are collectively referred to as sh*thole countries on account of their inflated rates of left-handedness.

right handers who live in border nations would be denied passport renewals because they present as ambidextrous.

those who protest against the hand-bias in this nation by kneeling during sports events will be vilified by the president. right handers will burn their jerseys and shoes over this.

when left handers cry out that their hands matter as well, they are met with angry chants that all hands matter.

all this hands talk is making me miss hands...

what if we took ALL the money away from the right handers and gave it to the left handers...would the left handers figure it out? Would they be ok then?

Good!!! you get it!!! see its all about moeny and it doesn't matter whether you stoke yourself with your left or your right hand...just doesn't matter...all that matters is the distrubtion of money. Wake me up when you pussy cats are ready yo redistribute the wealth. until then 2 fingers up!!

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[pancakes3]

tax cuts don't redistribute wealth. doubling the estate tax exemption doesn't redistribute wealth. wage stagnation doesn't redistribute wealth.

you say that lowering the corporate tax rate repatriates wealth - but it only repatriates it to the corporate coffers. because of the lowered tax rate, the government doesn't see any increases in its take, leaving it all to the corporation who by definition and by law, only has duties to the shareholders in maximizing profits. that money is not going to be trickled down to the employees. you might make some convoluted argument about how repatriated profits will raise stock prices, which will raise 401ks but that is not wealth redistribution. those without 401ks or those with disproportionately smaller 401ks will lose out.

wealth redistribution is not about absolute wealth but relative wealth.

basically, the one issue that you allegedly care about is not being helped in any fashion by the current administration.

socialism is wealth redistribution.

[stilldropin20]

tax cuts don't redistribute wealth. doubling the estate tax exemption doesn't redistribute wealth. wage stagnation doesn't redistribute wealth.

you say that lowering the corporate tax rate repatriates wealth - but it only repatriates it to the corporate coffers. because of the lowered tax rate, the government doesn't see any increases in its take, leaving it all to the corporation who by definition and by law, only has duties to the shareholders in maximizing profits. that money is not going to be trickled down to the employees. you might make some convoluted argument about how repatriated profits will raise stock prices, which will raise 401ks but that is not wealth redistribution. those without 401ks or those with disproportionately smaller 401ks will lose out.

wealth redistribution is not about absolute wealth but relative wealth.

basically, the one issue that you allegedly care about is not being helped in any fashion by the current administration.

socialism is wealth redistribution.

wrong! Wealth redistribution wont mean a damn thing if the dollar loses all of its value. The dollar must remain strong!


The US economy, our federal income, entitlement programs for which we spend to help those less fortunate or in need, education to help people provide for themselves and create upward mobility, infrastructure in terms of life style and quality of life, and most importantly all of which as they relate to our budget and our accumulated debt this is a multi step, multi platform issue. it will take decades to fix this...perhaps 50 years or more!

We cant just redistrubute wealth and think that will fix everything...

1. We still need jobs here and everyone working.
2. we still need a strong economy.
3. The dollar must still remain relatively strong to other economies.
4. we still must keep wealth here in the USA. And bring in more wealth and not allow the wealthy elites to move their money oversees so as to avoid federal taxes.
5. we need low unemployment rates.
6. we need to lower the cost drivers.
7. we need to create a system that encourages hard work...


redistruting the wealth is only half of the problem and it is the END GAME. The final chapter. <--if all of the wealth is oversees in foreign markets to wealthy global elites then how on earth do we redistrubute that!!!!!!!!! Huh!!!!! I'm listening??? ALL phunkin ears, man!!!!!! all phuckin ears over here!!!!

ohhhhhhhh we cant!!!! they get away with it!!!??? And if they all take it over sees then we are all stuck with nothing?????? Cool beans!!!! Good to know!!!

So step 1 remains:

1. bring the wealth back in the US
2. keep it here.
3. keep the dollar and economy strong.
4. tax it incrementally as a death tax. remove loop holes for trusts and foundations.

5. and this is really part of 1. crush all foreign economies so that the wealthy elite global multi millionaires have no where to run and no where to hide. <--sorry not sorry...its the only way to bring the wealth here to the US.

so put you effin big boy pants on. grow up and realize we are all in this together. The USA will get and keep the wealth or it will move to foreign markets and you will never ever ever ever ever get your greasy hands on it.

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[pancakes3]

you have a deficient understanding of how and why people and corporations stash money abroad, and how the IRS deals with it.

i have no idea what you mean by the U.S. not being able to get their hands on money in foreign markets, or what you mean by "foreign markets"

this is the problem with engaging with you, SD. it's a toxic combination of not knowing what you're talking about and yet being utterly convinced that you do. not to mention the inconsistencies in your positions, such as you first positing that you want to talk about wealth distribution, then inserting a caveat that we cannot discuss wealth distribution without talking about repatriating foreign profits and assets.

not only is your understanding of how the wealth "hide" their assets wrong, so is your assumption that we cannot or should not engage in wealth distribution until some threshold point where sufficient funds that are held abroad are brought back to America.

why? why can't we redistribute what we have currently? why wait? there are starving people in your house, and you're insisting that nobody can start dinner until uncle jerry gets back from the liquor store.

[doclinkin]

real equality begins and ends with financial equality.

wake me up when you fools are willing to implement at least an 80% death tax on all estates over $5Million. and 95% on all estates over $50Million. Where no one is spared. No non-profits. no trusts. no foundations. It all gets liquidated and heavily taxed.
...
The money must be recaptured then it must be redistributed equally.

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...then lets remove all taxes for everyone earning less than $40K. Taxes start at 40K.

after that...let move the minimum wage to $15 per hour chicago cost of living (more in NY less in Kansas).

After that lets make business owner provide health care. and lets give small business owner a 50% discount (paid for by large business owners).

when you whining cry babies are ready to do any of this then i know you are serious. until then i'll keep my money and give ya 2 fingers up. (and i'll keep my doctor!!) FLPOSBSA's!!!!

None of you will do any of this which makes you bull crap artists. lying yourselves.

none of these issues you talk about ad nausea mean anything. it doesn't matter if players kneel and it doesn't matter if the president calls them out for kneeling. presence of automatic guns dont matter. presence of drugs all over the country doesn't matter. nothing matters but the money.

You fix the unequal distribution of money of the problem and you end up fixing basically every other single problem. wake up!!

Sounds good to me. Also sounds like textbook socialism. Pretty sure no Lefties here or elsewhere would object. It also sounds like exactly the opposite of everything Trump stands for ever.

[montestewart]

real equality begins and ends with financial equality.

wake me up when you fools are willing to implement at least an 80% death tax on all estates over $5Million. and 95% on all estates over $50Million. Where no one is spared. No non-profits. no trusts. no foundations. It all gets liquidated and heavily taxed.
...
The money must be recaptured then it must be redistributed equally.

...

...then lets remove all taxes for everyone earning less than $40K. Taxes start at 40K.

after that...let move the minimum wage to $15 per hour chicago cost of living (more in NY less in Kansas).

After that lets make business owner provide health care. and lets give small business owner a 50% discount (paid for by large business owners).

when you whining cry babies are ready to do any of this then i know you are serious. until then i'll keep my money and give ya 2 fingers up. (and i'll keep my doctor!!) FLPOSBSA's!!!!

None of you will do any of this which makes you bull crap artists. lying yourselves.

none of these issues you talk about ad nausea mean anything. it doesn't matter if players kneel and it doesn't matter if the president calls them out for kneeling. presence of automatic guns dont matter. presence of drugs all over the country doesn't matter. nothing matters but the money.

You fix the unequal distribution of money of the problem and you end up fixing basically every other single problem. wake up!!

Sounds good to me. Also sounds like textbook socialism. Pretty sure no Lefties here or elsewhere would object. It also sounds like exactly the opposite of everything Trump stands for ever.

I would pay to see STD debate Trump

[verbal8]

I would pay to see STD debate Trump

He took a break from his busy schedule to role-play as Mueller in the mock interview Dowd held with Trump.

Omarosa told me this, so it must be true.

[stilldropin20]

you have a deficient understanding of how and why people and corporations stash money abroad, and how the IRS deals with it.

i have no idea what you mean by the U.S. not being able to get their hands on money in foreign markets, or what you mean by "foreign markets"

this is the problem with engaging with you, SD. it's a toxic combination of not knowing what you're talking about and yet being utterly convinced that you do. not to mention the inconsistencies in your positions, such as you first positing that you want to talk about wealth distribution, then inserting a caveat that we cannot discuss wealth distribution without talking about repatriating foreign profits and assets.

not only is your understanding of how the wealth "hide" their assets deficient, your assumption that we cannot or should not engage in wealth distribution until some threshold point where sufficient funds that are held abroad are brought back to America.

why? why can't we redistribute what we have currently? why wait? there are starving people in your house, and you're insisting that nobody can start dinner until uncle jerry gets back from the liquor store.

ok...let set some guidelines for this discussion.

Right now there is about $280 trillion in combined total world wealth.

The USA banking real estate systems holds $95 trillion of that wealth.

$3.5 trillion of that is held by US companies in overseas markets with extremely low tax rates 10% or lower with carveouts that bring this % to as low as 4%.

The super wealthy hold nearly $55 Trillion of that $300 trillion in off shore tax havens. <--this number was $32 Trillion in 2012. Over $10 trillion of that $55 Trillion is considered US sourced wealth.

nearly 1/4 of the entire worlds wealth is held in tax shelters...this does not include yachts, helicopters, planes, cars, Art, artifacts, even some privately held commercial shipping fleets nor privately held fleets of passenger airplanes are NOT included. <--which experts estimate an additional value over $10 Trillion.

add it up and its over 1/4 of the combined world's wealth is held is some type of tax shelter be it "religious" or other.

we are just going to leave that money alone???????????

If we taxed it at a miserable 10% we are looking at about an additional $6 Trillion in world wide annual tax revenue. of which 20-25% is US sourced wealth...or $1.5 trillion in annual revenue.

^^^there's your gotdarned fix right there!!! Go get that money!! simple legislation will eliminate these shelters.

But you must pressure foreign markets to NOT allow wealth to be sheltered in those markets overseas!!!

How?? how do we make it so Apple Corp can NOT park its $500 billion in ireland and pay 10% taxes pre carveout and loopholes?? How!!!????

Simple: Tariffs on ireland products (and apple products) and removal of US protections on both irelands banking markets and physical force protections.

This is a multistep multi platform issue. And Ireland is only one of many corporate tax havens. Simple yet multi-platform multi-issue, multi-avenue legislation can fix all of this!!

[Ruzious]

I would pay to see STD debate Trump

Neither would have the time. Trump is too busy following Nike stock and tweeting about how boring and fake a book about him is that he's never read. And SD is too busy watching 24 hours of tv news from 5 different networks, managing his dental practices, reviewing hundreds of K-1's from his real estate investments, and posting essays here that Donald Trump would laugh at.

[TGW]

Alex Jones harrassing Rubio. I don't like Rubio either, but monopolizing a question-answer session with a Senator because you're butthurt you got deplatformed on social media is pretty damn pathetic.

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[Jamaaliver]

wrong! Wealth redistribution wont mean a damn thing if the dollar loses all of its value.

The dollar must remain strong!

THEN YOU NEED TO have a talk with your boy...

Dollar Slides After Trump Calls Strong Currency a ‘Disadvantage’

In break with tradition, president says he hopes Federal Reserve will stop raising interest rates

The dollar slumped from its highs Thursday after President Donald Trump expressed frustration that rising interest rates had caused the currency to strengthen and said he hoped the Federal Reserve would stop tightening.

Wall Street Journal -- July 2018

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[Ruzious]

Alex Jones harrassing Rubio. I don't like Rubio either, but monopolizing a question-answer session with a Senator because you're butthurt you got deplatformed on social media is pretty damn pathetic.

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It's like 2 guys with the brains of teenagers and the body's of grownups - one a particularly fat grownup craving attention. Why does anyone (Bill Maher) care if a clown like Alex Jones gets to be heard on particular venues?

[Jazzy13]

STD20 is a really entertaining troll. He puts so much effort into it.
He even types and uses words like Trump himself.



Dont know why people get triggered into blocking him.

[JWizmentality]

STD20 is a really entertaining troll. He puts so much effort into it.
He even types and uses words like Trump himself.



Dont know why people get triggered into blocking him.

I just put him on ignore because it's a pain to scroll through all the garbage to get to the posts actually worth reading.