2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

grumpysaddle · Post #1861 » by **grumpysaddle** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 5:17 pm

bigfoot wrote:FYI Ann Meyers Drysdale (yes the ex-Suns Color Analyst who quietly retired this year on July 11, 2018) actually had a contract/tryout with the Indiana Pacers. Giving Diana a tryout wouldn't hurt.

pleeeeeeeease be true!

BobbieL · Post #1862 » by **BobbieL** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 5:26 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
stoo wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
I agree. Now, does that mean I am opposed to trading Jackson. For the right player, sure. But not for even Goran Dragic would I trade Josh Jackson. Jackson had a couple bad summer gam league games - big deal. Its summer league basketball

well it's not about whether he was getting buckets in SL, but the way he played... I confess i haven't watched him extensively, but he doesn't seem like team first player, nor one with particularly high BBIQ... and it seems to me the suns are rebuilding around those qualities

Haven’t watched him extensively? There is the error in your evaluation. JJ is actually a very smart b-ball player. He just has great physical skills and tends to try to play too fast. When he settles, he plays great.

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Summer league - cannot evaluate a player. Even if he reverted to some bad habits for a few games. I think Igor had some comments that he knows what to do for JJ once camp opens.

LukasBMW · Post #1863 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 7:05 pm

Am I the only one who thinks that Tyler Ulis might still be the best PG on our team???? Oh wait...we cut him. :banghead:

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1864 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 7:07 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that Tyler Ulis might still be the best PG on our team???? Oh wait...we cut him.

Uhhhh.... yes?

Saberestar · Post #1865 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 7:21 pm

Read on Twitter

Mjee · Post #1866 » by **Mjee** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 7:33 pm

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

Thank god !!! I would rather just start Shaq or Okobo.

TeamTragic · Post #1867 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 7:35 pm

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

No surprise. We don't want their garbage.

Why aren't we trading for Dragic?

Mjee · Post #1868 » by **Mjee** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 7:47 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

No surprise. We don't want their garbage.

Why aren't we trading for Dragic?

That is who I bet we get (Dragic).... my guess is we are doing our due diligence on other pg prospects before any deal is made

TeamTragic · Post #1869 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 7:56 pm

Mjeezy2006 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

No surprise. We don't want their garbage.

Why aren't we trading for Dragic?

That is who I bet we get (Dragic).... my guess is we are doing our due diligence on other pg prospects before any deal is made

I would love Dragic back on this team. He is a perfect fit unless this board hates him.

YouTube · Post #1870 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 8:07 pm

Booker/Jackson/Ariza/Anderson/Ayton

Im ok with Point-Book, having the ball in his hands more isnt going to be a bad thing, not to mention i think it will end up being less than most PG's handle as Koko's system is all about fluid ball movement and passing, meaning that it wont be completely PG driven and controlled. Booker at 6"7 can guard and body up any PG. Moving Jackson to the starting 2 spot will also create more minutes for Bridges at either SG or SF (As i think that Ariza will split time between SF and PF). Let Booker take on that James Harden role, he's our best player and the team leader, so let him lead the team on the court as well.

Booker/Melton/Okobo/Canaan
Jackson/Bridges/Daniels/Reed
Ariza/Warren/Bridges
Anderson/Bender
Ayton/Holmes/Chandler

In a line-up like that i believe our weakest position is PF and would look to maybe package Chandler with Warren and/or Canaan and see if we can improve there. I still think Tobias Harris would have been a great pick up for us at PF and should be a realistic FA target for us next offseason.

Post #1871 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 8:27 pm

Mjeezy2006 wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

No surprise. We don't want their garbage.

Why aren't we trading for Dragic?

That is who I bet we get (Dragic).... my guess is we are doing our due diligence on other pg prospects before any deal is made

Amico is one of the biggest hacks out there...with the likes of Jordan Shultz and company. He reported Dragic was available, and Gambo was his source of all people...and it seems most think Dragic isn't going anywhere. If McD lets his intention out I'm pretty sure it would be through someone like Woj, but he's unlikely to say anything if he really is trying to go after a PG at all.

sunsfever68 · Post #1872 » by **sunsfever68** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 8:33 pm

Just trade for Dragic for the Milwaukee pick+future high 2nd round pick and Troy Daniels+Darrell Arthur's deal.

Get DRagic to reduce his pay on that option.

I'd take a couple years of Dragic at point.

Post #1873 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 8:46 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Booker/Jackson/Ariza/Anderson/Ayton

Im ok with Point-Book, having the ball in his hands more isnt going to be a bad thing, not to mention i think it will end up being less than most PG's handle as Koko's system is all about fluid ball movement and passing, meaning that it wont be completely PG driven and controlled. Booker at 6"7 can guard and body up any PG. Moving Jackson to the starting 2 spot will also create more minutes for Bridges at either SG or SF (As i think that Ariza will split time between SF and PF). Let Booker take on that James Harden role, he's our best player and the team leader, so let him lead the team on the court as well.

Booker/Melton/Okobo/Canaan
Jackson/Bridges/Daniels/Reed
Ariza/Warren/Bridges
Anderson/Bender
Ayton/Holmes/Chandler

In a line-up like that i believe our weakest position is PF and would look to maybe package Chandler with Warren and/or Canaan and see if we can improve there. I still think Tobias Harris would have been a great pick up for us at PF and should be a realistic FA target for us next offseason.

I think it's too much responsibility to put on him right now, even though I wouldn't mind it in the future. He was among the league leaders in turnovers per game last year and had by far the worst ast/to ratio of any non big in that group.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/turnovers/sort/avgTurnovers/order/false

Lin is listed in the group but his stats are only from 1 game.

Booker would probably lead the league in turnovers per game and have by far the worst ast/to ratios for non big men of those among the leaders.

It would be nice if it could work because it solves the PG dilemma and the roster glut but I don't think Booker is quite ready yet, at least based on where he left off.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1874 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:13 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Booker/Jackson/Ariza/Anderson/Ayton

Im ok with Point-Book, having the ball in his hands more isnt going to be a bad thing, not to mention i think it will end up being less than most PG's handle as Koko's system is all about fluid ball movement and passing, meaning that it wont be completely PG driven and controlled. Booker at 6"7 can guard and body up any PG. Moving Jackson to the starting 2 spot will also create more minutes for Bridges at either SG or SF (As i think that Ariza will split time between SF and PF). Let Booker take on that James Harden role, he's our best player and the team leader, so let him lead the team on the court as well.

Booker/Melton/Okobo/Canaan
Jackson/Bridges/Daniels/Reed
Ariza/Warren/Bridges
Anderson/Bender
Ayton/Holmes/Chandler

In a line-up like that i believe our weakest position is PF and would look to maybe package Chandler with Warren and/or Canaan and see if we can improve there. I still think Tobias Harris would have been a great pick up for us at PF and should be a realistic FA target for us next offseason.

I think it's too much responsibility to put on him right now, even though I wouldn't mind it in the future. He was among the league leaders in turnovers per game last year and had by far the worst ast/to ratio of any non big in that group.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/turnovers/sort/avgTurnovers/order/false

Lin is listed in the group but his stats are only from 1 game.

Booker would probably lead the league in turnovers per game and have by far the worst ast/to ratios for non big men of those among the leaders.

It would be nice if it could work because it solves the PG dilemma and the roster glut but I don't think Booker is quite ready yet, at least based on where he left off.

I don't think Booker's a natural passer. When Mike D made Kobe PG (because Kobe refused to give up the ball), it didn't look right. I think the same would be true for Book. He's a scorer. Let him score.

Also, if we're going to be tasking Book with spending additional energy, let that energy be spent on defense. If you make him do everything on offense, I think you'll see Harden-level defense as a result.

Years90Suns · Post #1875 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:28 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:We can argue the pluses and minuses of TJ all day long but the suns actions this summer are a pretty clear sign they aren't 100% sold on him. You don't bring in ariza and Bridges if you are.

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You are probably right.
Or JJ, should the right offer arise?

Years90Suns · Post #1876 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:34 pm

I do not understand why in hell we signed Ariza?
We have Warren, we have JJ and we picked Bridges. So, we already had two guys who play, primarely, the SF spot. Then we picked a third one who can play SG and SF.
Why do you spent money in a SF who will be here one year? Did the Warriors pay us to steal Ariza from the Rockets so minizing their chances? Or are we really thinking about playing with two SFs for extended periods? There is only another plausible option: we are trying to trade JJ or Warren.

Years90Suns · Post #1877 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:35 pm

I do not think Booker is 6-7 (not even 6-6, probably), I do not think he can play PG and I am sure that him playing PG would not be benefitial for the team.

Years90Suns · Post #1878 » by **Years90Suns** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:39 pm

One thing that caught my attention is this:

we supposedly tried to get Walker, Lillard or Rozier. While the third one is still in his developement, the first two are stablished PGs with a really developed shoot-first offensive game that I doubly believe would benefit us.

Had we tried to trade for RR, I am pretty sure we had got him.

So, is McD sold on getting a scoring-first star PG to play alongside Booker?

If so, I think he is completely wrong on this, which shows me that he has a very different idea of what a balanced offense is than the one I have.

Saberestar · Post #1879 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:39 pm

Years90Suns wrote:I do not think Booker is 6-7 (not even 6-6, probably), I do not think he can play PG and I am sure that him playing PG would not be benefitial for the team.

Booker is a legit 6'6. Not more, not less.

I think that he can play some PG for a few minutes here and there, but he can not start at that position all year long.

LukasBMW · Post #1880 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Sep 5, 2018 10:24 pm

Years90Suns wrote:I do not understand why in hell we signed Ariza?
We have Warren, we have JJ and we picked Bridges. So, we already had to guys who play, primarely, the SF spot. Then we picked a third one who can play SG and SF.
Why do you spent money in a SF who will be here one year? Did the Warriors pay us to steal Ariza from the Rockets son minizing their chances? Or are we really thinking about playing with two SFs for extended periods? There is only another plausible option: we are trying to trade JJ or Warren.

We really do seem to be following the Houston model: A dominat SG that handles the ball, an anchor at center that loves to score around the basket, and shooters. Booker = Harder, Ayton = Capela, and we snagged their SF and PF. Now all we need is a PG somewhere between Beverly and Chris Paul.

We're going to make TJ play defense and get his 3 point shot going. We're going to make Bender sack up and earn time at the 4/5. We're going to make JJ and Bridges improve.