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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#541 » by closg00 » Wed Sep 5, 2018 9:34 pm

TGW wrote:Alex Jones harrassing Rubio. I don't like Rubio either, but monopolizing a question-answer session with a Senator because you're butthurt you got deplatformed on social media is pretty damn pathetic.

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Post#542 » by stilldropin20 » Wed Sep 5, 2018 10:00 pm

ok so none of you wealth redistribution geniuses have a single clue how to keep the wealth here in order to redistrubute it, right?

Come on!! Spit it out geniuses!! How do we keep the wealth here???

how are you little plebs going to keep Bill Gates from keeping his 50 billion??(already locked up in a foundation BTW) Jeff Bezos and his 150 Billion???

To say nothing of all the old money spread around (1-15 billion each spread around over 4000 family members) from various old money families. People with dual and triple citizenship and global foundations and corporations. Please tell me how we are going to tax them in the US tax system and spread that money around.

See...the spread it around part is easy. Its the "getting" and "keeping" and then "taxing" part that is hard.

I mean it takes months to pass a tax bill. what about the leaks?? And the news tax bill doesn't go into affect until the following year? Plenty of time to move the wealth, no?

come on geniuses! Speak up!!! I'm All ears.

fact is you dont have a clue. But guess who does??? Trump!! And the GOP who reduced corporate rates by almost half. thats called honey...its a start to begin to repatriate wealth...but i'm all ears as to how else you guys are going to bring in more wealth.

here's what oi got so far:

1. lower corp taxes. Done.
2. Crush foreign economies, harsh economic and banking sanctions on tax haven countries so as to crush the wealth not strored in our markets.
3. War. Allow Russia, isis, and whoever else to go nutz for a half decade...get all the elites to pony up for our protections. I'd charge them 70% of their gold. 70% of their oil. and 70% of their corporate holdings before we even fly a drone over to check on them...

but thats me...i'm actually interested in redistributing the wealth. I really do put my money where my mouth is. I really do understand that all inequality is born of wealth inequality.

but anyway, let's here it geniuses. how are you going to "git your greezy hands" on this so called wealth accumulators.

by the way...this is the part that you tell me how crazy i am and how mean i am for allowing our "allies" to get crushed and charging them for protection...and the same part when you follow that sentence up with..."well golly gee, we didn't want to redistribute the billionaires wealth!!!" we want the neighbor's wealth!!!!! He makes 150K!!!!!!!!!!" and he's got a trans am!!!!

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#543 » by closg00 » Wed Sep 5, 2018 10:38 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#544 » by Ruzious » Wed Sep 5, 2018 10:55 pm

SD, your stated goals are to destroy foreign economies and encourage wars around the world so we can economically benefit. Do you understand why people think you have serious problems? It's because you do.

And while Trump may be for more low-paying jobs, he's certainly for the polar opposite of wealth distribution, so there's no way you can logically continue to balance any goal of redistribution of wealth with his views - even though you bow down to him like he is your god. Trump would think you're out of your mind.
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Post#545 » by stilldropin20 » Wed Sep 5, 2018 11:03 pm

Ruzious wrote:SD, your stated goals are to destroy foreign economies and encourage wars around the world so we can economically benefit. Do you understand why people think you have serious problems? It's because you do.

And while Trump may be for more low-paying jobs, he's certainly for the polar opposite of wealth distribution, so there's no way you can logically continue to balance any goal of redistribution of wealth with his views - even though you bow down to him like he is your god. Trump would think you're out of your mind.



for the (millionth time) trump is phase 1. how do we accomplish phase 2 with wars and crushing foreign economies?
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Post#546 » by dckingsfan » Thu Sep 6, 2018 12:47 am

...20 governors and attorneys general argue the requirement is no longer constitutional because the tax penalty has been eliminated.


Fascinating - the ACA was defended under the commerce clause. But the Rs eliminated the tax penalty.

And now the argument is posited that the ACA is no longer constitutional.
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Post#547 » by closg00 » Thu Sep 6, 2018 1:21 am

Oh-no, the Deep Throat at the WH may have given themselves away by the usage of the word "lodestar", the source is either Pence or his speechwriter, the speechwriter will probably take the fall.
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Post#548 » by pancakes3 » Thu Sep 6, 2018 1:46 am

SD, it would no joke, take literal years to explain to you why you're wrong. I'm estimating roughly 80 credit hours worth of lectures and readings for you to understand the topics, ranging from the difference between assets and income, corporate structure, financial markets, geopolitics, tax law, etc. for you to come to grips with reality.

When you say things like "our markets" v "foreign markets" or "Bezos's $150 billion" it really betrays your ignorance on what exactly you hope to accomplish, and how you think taxes work - not to mention your ignorance in other areas outside of taxing repatriated wealth.

And just LOL at the idea that Trump's master plan is to repatriate wealth so that the government can seize it and redistribute it. How on earth did you jump to that conclusion? It's insane. You've got issues, bro.
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Post#549 » by stilldropin20 » Thu Sep 6, 2018 2:38 am

pancakes3 wrote:SD, it would no joke, take literal years to explain to you why you're wrong. I'm estimating roughly 80 credit hours worth of lectures and readings for you to understand the topics, ranging from the difference between assets and income, corporate structure, financial markets, geopolitics, tax law, etc. for you to come to grips with reality.

When you say things like "our markets" v "foreign markets" or "Bezos's $150 billion" it really betrays your ignorance on what exactly you hope to accomplish, and how you think taxes work - not to mention your ignorance in other areas outside of taxing repatriated wealth.

And just LOL at the idea that Trump's master plan is to repatriate wealth so that the government can seize it and redistribute it. How on earth did you jump to that conclusion? It's insane. You've got issues, bro.



for the purposes of this game let's pretend i'm smarter than i look. (think the best of donny osmond meets worst of brad pitt)...no but seriously assume i'm smarter than i look and i catch on quick.

and assume that when i say things like jeff bezos's 150 billion...i understand that most of that is net worth and is realized in stock of amazon. assume also that i met the graduation requirements to finish undergrad in less than 2 years with straight A's and Then got straight A's in Dental School and literally slept my way through....asssume i'm that guy...the guy that understand advanced college physics as he reads it off the page.


let's talk how are you going to capture and redistribute "the wealth."

and if you are not...or you cant...or you hav eno actual plan...or none of it is feasible...then just say so...and just accept that true and real "equality" is an impossibility because all inequality is born of wealth inequality (and if its not please tell me and explain to me how its not).<--let me save you some time you cant.

You cant do either actually...without being a fricking prick..and by prick i do mean allowing foreign wars to fester in such a
way so as to scare foreign wealth here to our markets. and forcing wealthy foreign elites to pay for our military "protection" if their wealth is tampered with overseas by waring nations...not unlike the USA finally intervened (when the price was right) when hitler raided foreign "bankers" (wink wink) gold reserves overseas in his quest to conquer Europe. that war was about confiscating european "bankers" gold. Problem was Hitler was a lunatic, facist, racists, and nazi.

(here's a little wake up call to all of you little boys and girls that dont yet understand or havent accepted that every single war is about money, oil, or gold. Every single war and conflict. Everywhere. Every time. Why else would any body risk their lives? To fight Oppression? Oppression still exist!! there is still the super rich and the rest of us are poor...We hacv ecovered NO GROUND on wealth inequality...in fact it is worse than ever. So, Nope!

"fighting oppression" is just the pomp and circumstance and surface level fake motivation to the plebs all hot and bothered. They elites have and continue to use fake political, fake religious, and fake identity politics as emotional motivation via elite controlled media (religious pulpits), papers, internet, to get us stupid plebs to fight their wars for power and money.

^^^so let's i fully understand all of this too...and soooooooooooooooooooooooo much more....i mean i understand the secrets of how the phuckin human mind works, brother, the pain pathways. You think its some kind of coinky dinky that i write in a certainw ay to get everyone going? really? ...so pretty please...let's assume all of this and so much more...


how on earth are you going to, firsrt, capture, then redistribute "the wealth."

And if you have no plan. And no ways. And no means. then just say so. You got nothing...and all you got is just resistance, anger, frustration, and no actual solutions. and in fact you are lost...you dont even know where to being other than your neighbor next door who make 150K and has a 2015 trans am. So he should be paying more taxes...

And if that's all you got...same as the last guy(nothing)...then eff you!!! 2 phucking fingers up!!!! i'll keep my phucking trans am thank you very much...why the phuck should i give (you) more of my phuckin money...i mean it be adamn waste anyway cuz your too phucking stupid to even realize where the real money is and how to go get it...but if you got an idea on how to get that wealth...pretty please...with sugar on top...let's puckin hear it...all ears buddy. all gotdamned ears!

enlighten us...floor is yours...stop running away from it...and tell us how to get the wealth and tax it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#550 » by montestewart » Thu Sep 6, 2018 3:07 am

closg00 wrote:Oh-no, the Deep Throat at the WH may have given themselves away by the usage of the word "lodestar", the source is either Pence or his speechwriter, the speechwriter will probably take the fall.
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Wasn't lodestar what Buckhantz would yell when he was...oh wait, that was "dagger." Never mind.
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Post#551 » by pancakes3 » Thu Sep 6, 2018 3:10 am

SD, seriously, you're a loon, and nobody should take it on your word that you understand anything.

You want me to lay out a plan to do what? Confiscate money from the world's billionaires and pay it out to American citizens (and only American citizens)? No, I'm not going to do that, because that's an insane hypothetical that does not merit consideration.

I believe that you're a dentist. That doesn't mean you can speak with the same authority as someone with coursework in economics, finance, or a law degree.
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Post#552 » by stilldropin20 » Thu Sep 6, 2018 5:26 am

pancakes3 wrote:SD, seriously, you're a loon, and nobody should take it on your word that you understand anything.

You want me to lay out a plan to do what? Confiscate money from the world's billionaires and pay it out to American citizens (and only American citizens)? No, I'm not going to do that, because that's an insane hypothetical that does not merit consideration.

I believe that you're a dentist. That doesn't mean you can speak with the same authority as someone with coursework in economics, finance, or a law degree.


you little chicket chit!! you're worse the PIF running from Doc in the poetry thread!!!! when r u muthaphuckas going to grow up and grow a pair? and just let it all hang out? bring it or stop posting! seriuosly bro!

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Post#553 » by montestewart » Thu Sep 6, 2018 11:39 am

stilldropin20 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:SD, your stated goals are to destroy foreign economies and encourage wars around the world so we can economically benefit. Do you understand why people think you have serious problems? It's because you do.

And while Trump may be for more low-paying jobs, he's certainly for the polar opposite of wealth distribution, so there's no way you can logically continue to balance any goal of redistribution of wealth with his views - even though you bow down to him like he is your god. Trump would think you're out of your mind.



for the (millionth time) trump is phase 1. how do we accomplish phase 2 with wars and crushing foreign economies?

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Post#554 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Sep 6, 2018 11:54 am

dckingsfan wrote:
...20 governors and attorneys general argue the requirement is no longer constitutional because the tax penalty has been eliminated.


Fascinating - the ACA was defended under the commerce clause. But the Rs eliminated the tax penalty.

And now the argument is posited that the ACA is no longer constitutional.



That's...actually brilliant legal strategy.

Diabolical even.
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Post#555 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Sep 6, 2018 12:09 pm

closg00 wrote:Oh-no, the Deep Throat at the WH may have given themselves away by the usage of the word "lodestar", the source is either Pence or his speechwriter, the speechwriter will probably take the fall.



I have a sneaking suspicion that inclusion of the word "lodestar" is a false flag. An intentional red herring to throw colleagues of the scent of the real author.


Just a thought.

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the piece’s author sounds like a traditional mainstream Republican. They write in favor of “free minds, free markets and free people”, and list “deregulation, historic tax reform, (and) a more robust military” as accomplishments to be proud of.

If you were inclined to read tea leaves, you could note that the examples the author gives appear to focus on foreign policy and national security.
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We'll find out who wrote this one day, though. Undoubtedly.

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Post#556 » by Ruzious » Thu Sep 6, 2018 12:41 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:SD, your stated goals are to destroy foreign economies and encourage wars around the world so we can economically benefit. Do you understand why people think you have serious problems? It's because you do.

And while Trump may be for more low-paying jobs, he's certainly for the polar opposite of wealth distribution, so there's no way you can logically continue to balance any goal of redistribution of wealth with his views - even though you bow down to him like he is your god. Trump would think you're out of your mind.



for the (millionth time) trump is phase 1. how do we accomplish phase 2 with wars and crushing foreign economies?

Earth to SD, this is the crap you actually posted:

here's what oi got so far:

1. lower corp taxes. Done.
2. Crush foreign economies, harsh economic and banking sanctions on tax haven countries so as to crush the wealth not strored in our markets.
3. War. Allow Russia, isis, and whoever else to go nutz for a half decade...get all the elites to pony up for our protections. I'd charge them 70% of their gold. 70% of their oil. and 70% of their corporate holdings before we even fly a drone over to check on them...
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Post#557 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Sep 6, 2018 12:41 pm

Revealed: Trump inauguration crowd photos were edited after he intervened

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A government photographer edited official pictures of Donald Trump’s inauguration to make the crowd appear bigger following a personal intervention from the president, according to newly released documents.

The photographer cropped out empty space “where the crowd ended” for a new set of pictures requested by Trump on the first morning of his presidency, after he was angered by images showing his audience was smaller than Barack Obama’s in 2009.

The detail was revealed in investigative reports released to the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act by the inspector general of the US interior department.

The newly disclosed details were not included in the inspector general’s office’s final report on its inquiry into the saga, which was published in June last year and gave a different account of the NPS photographer’s actions.
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Post#558 » by Ruzious » Thu Sep 6, 2018 12:55 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
closg00 wrote:Oh-no, the Deep Throat at the WH may have given themselves away by the usage of the word "lodestar", the source is either Pence or his speechwriter, the speechwriter will probably take the fall.



I have a sneaking suspicion that inclusion of the word "lodestar" is a false flag. An intentional red herring to throw colleagues of the scent of the real author.


Just a thought.

Spoiler:
the piece’s author sounds like a traditional mainstream Republican. They write in favor of “free minds, free markets and free people”, and list “deregulation, historic tax reform, (and) a more robust military” as accomplishments to be proud of.

If you were inclined to read tea leaves, you could note that the examples the author gives appear to focus on foreign policy and national security.
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We'll find out who wrote this one day, though. Undoubtedly.

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We're living in historic times, folks. Take good notes. Your grandkids will have serious questions 30+ years from now.

Well, Pence did recently publicly back Sessions - which is probably the boldest thing he's done publicly as VP. And Trump can't fire Pence. But yeah, I also think it was an intentional red herring - it's just too obvious. Nobody else uses that word. So, is any reporter going to publicly ask Pence about it?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#559 » by dckingsfan » Thu Sep 6, 2018 1:15 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
...20 governors and attorneys general argue the requirement is no longer constitutional because the tax penalty has been eliminated.


Fascinating - the ACA was defended under the commerce clause. But the Rs eliminated the tax penalty.

And now the argument is posited that the ACA is no longer constitutional.

That's...actually brilliant legal strategy.

Diabolical even.

Isn't it though... They have essentially made the ACA unenforceable - even more so with the new court. The next two years are going to be fascinating to see what transpires and if this decisions is appealed (can't believe it won't) and the supreme court agrees to review.

Take note those that want single payer - to get everyone to eat broccoli, everyone has to pay for broccoli. So, if you want to make single payer constitutional - there has to be some costs that are payed by the users of that service. Anyone else have an idea of how single payer could go through without the commerce clause?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXII 

Post#560 » by dckingsfan » Thu Sep 6, 2018 1:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:SD, your stated goals are to destroy foreign economies and encourage wars around the world so we can economically benefit. Do you understand why people think you have serious problems? It's because you do.

And while Trump may be for more low-paying jobs, he's certainly for the polar opposite of wealth distribution, so there's no way you can logically continue to balance any goal of redistribution of wealth with his views - even though you bow down to him like he is your god. Trump would think you're out of your mind.



for the (millionth time) trump is phase 1. how do we accomplish phase 2 with wars and crushing foreign economies?

Earth to SD, this is the crap you actually posted:

here's what oi got so far:

1. lower corp taxes. Done.
2. Crush foreign economies, harsh economic and banking sanctions on tax haven countries so as to crush the wealth not strored in our markets.
3. War. Allow Russia, isis, and whoever else to go nutz for a half decade...get all the elites to pony up for our protections. I'd charge them 70% of their gold. 70% of their oil. and 70% of their corporate holdings before we even fly a drone over to check on them...

Well, this group did indeed lower corporate tax rates and take care of some other problems (foreign transfers) that were needed. Its just that they did it to a net negative by lowering the personal tax rates to an unsustainable level.

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