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macd-gm wrote:For Baze I think the it's salary relief, draft picks, young talent that we control for the foreseeable future. I think the Hawks will want any 2 of those 3 things. Otherwise they are happy to keep him.
NYG wrote:D.J. Wilson, Thon Maker and Tony Snell for Kent Bazemore?
NYG wrote:D.J. Wilson, Thon Maker and Tony Snell for Kent Bazemore?
macd-gm wrote:NYG wrote:D.J. Wilson, Thon Maker and Tony Snell for Kent Bazemore?
That's kind of interesting. I always though Snell was pretty good. Provides some salary relief, a younger replacement for Baze (but not as good i guess), and Thon seems to have potential. What's the story on Wilson? He was a first rounder right? Is he no good?
Not an intriguing trade.NYG wrote:D.J. Wilson, Thon Maker and Tony Snell for Kent Bazemore?
NYG wrote:D.J. Wilson, Thon Maker and Tony Snell for Kent Bazemore?
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
jayu70 wrote:I think the Hawks can help Minny with the Butler trade:
Minny gets Bazemore plus assets from the Clippers, Butler to LAC and Player 'X' to Atlanta. Harris? (No contract more than Bazemore's).
Thibs would love Baze, he'll play defense, get some steals and shoot the 3 (shot 39% last season) and a great locker room guy. He won't take touches from KAT and Wiggins. If he does opt out he won't cost as much as Harris to resign. Harris already turned down a 4yr/$80 mil from LAC
Thibs gets a vet so he can still compete now plus assets from LAC for future.
At the trade deadline Hawks can trade Harris or just let him expire. Hawks salary dump Baze.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Bleacher ReportRanking the Top 10 Players to Be Dealt This Season
1. Kent Bazemore, SG/SF, Atlanta Hawks
During the 2017-18 season, he made across-the-board improvements and upped his slash line from a miserable 40.9/34.6/70.8 to a head-turning 42.0/39.4/79.6 while taking more threes and making additional trips to the charity stripe. Despite the Atlanta Hawks' season-long futility, he became a living embodiment of the three-and-D archetype as one of only three qualified players to shoot better than 39 percent from downtown on at least four attempts per contest while posting a defensive box plus/minus north of one.
With two years remaining (assuming Bazemore picks up his $19.3 million player option for 2019-20), he has successfully made the albatross-to-asset transition. As much as he boosts the Hawks while on the floor (3.8 points per 100 possessions in 2017-18), he'll be even more valuable when a contender inevitably comes inquiring about his services and offers rebuild-aiding pieces to the Eastern bottom-feeders.
The StepbackJustise Winslow can fill in all the blanks
Prior to 2015 NBA Draft, one of the hottest names on draft night was that of Duke forward Justise Winslow. He was reportedly in play as high as No. 4 overall, and all you could hear about him was how many different teams were in love with him as a prospect.
And yet as the night wore on, Winslow kept falling further down the board.
In the three-plus years since that night, Winslow has merely turned into a perfectly competent — if not exactly standout — role player. His combination of height, length (6-foot-10), strength (225 pounds), and agility makes him a perfect fit for the modern NBA, given what teams ask their wings to do on the defensive end of the floor these days. Ask him to lock somebody down one-on-one and he can do it. Ask him to track a shooter around screens and he can do it. Ask him to play in a hybrid zone and he can do it. Ask him to switch and he can do it.
He’s defended several positions whenever on the floor, just about exactly as well as one would have expected him to coming into the draft. He’s one of just 29 players 6-foot-7 or shorter since 2000 to post multiple seasons with 2.4 Defensive Win Shares or more within his first three years in the league.
He’s an excellent defensive rebounder for his size. He gets his hands on a ton of passes and he has become a better shot-blocker. He’s fully capable of defending any of the five positions for a few seconds at a time or more, and he can easily handle one through four on a nearly full-time basis.
And yet, heading into the final year of his rookie contract, there are still questions about Winslow’s place not just in the league, but on his own team. They’ve got a ton of money committed for the future, and a bunch of it is allotted to players who fill one or more of the same roles as Winslow.
There’s also the matter of Winslow’s offensive development. He’s certainly a functional offensive player. His skill set is diverse and the Heat can use him in a host of different roles in a pinch. It’s not uncommon to see Winslow, during the same game, working as a primary ball-handler, a screener in pick-and-rolls, a spot-up shooter, and a dunker-spot lurker. His size and agility lend themselves well to working all over the floor and with all different kinds of teammates next to him.
But he’s not necessarily elite at any one thing offensively. Winslow is strong, stout, and surprisingly crafty; he’s the type of player who could be really dangerous off the drive. But, Miami’s offense has been consistently better with Winslow on the bench.
And yet, he is still only 22 years old. He’s basically only played two full seasons; There is a place for Winslow in the league, both right now and long-term. Is it in Miami? Maybe. Maybe not.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Sir Charles in ChargeNBA Trade Rumors: Would a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender deal work?Code: Select all
NBA Trade Rumors: Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver has a strong desire to acquire a starting point guard which opens the door for the Atlanta Hawks to offer a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender
...there is only one affordable player available right now who would fit the criteria of a starting point guard, Jeremy Lin.
Lin is a 30-year-old point guard who has started 217 regular season games over an eight-year NBA career. Not only does he have plenty of starting experience but Jeremy also plays for a rebuilding team in the Hawks who are willing to trade him for a young player/pick.
Consequently, the Atlanta Hawks should prey on Robert Sarver’s unrelenting desire to acquire a starting point guard. The team should offer Jeremy Lin in exchange for 20-year-old power forward Dragan Bender and the contract of Darrell Arthur.
Dragan Bender has taken over 65 percent of his shots from the behind the arc in two seasons with the Suns. The Suns strategy worked because he significantly improved his shooting from the first to the second year. During his rookie year, he shot 27.7 percent taking 2.3 3’s per game. The following season he improved his shooting by 8.9 percent on 3.9 3’s per game.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Dragan Bender should continue to improve as a shooter if given playing time. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that he will get playing time as ESPN has him listed as the third-string center.
Subsequently, he would benefit from a trade to Atlanta because the Hawks are currently combing through internal options in their quest to find a stretch power forward. The Hawks are now experimenting with having John Collins shoot 3’s. In two preseason games, he has gone 0 for 3 from behind the arc.
TL;DR: A trade for Dragan Bender would provide the Hawks with a better stretch power forward for a low price. Furthermore, John Collins could go back to focusing on his strengths which is dunking and rebounding.
Jamaaliver wrote:Dear G0d, yes. For so many reasons...Sir Charles in ChargeNBA Trade Rumors: Would a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender deal work?Code: Select all
NBA Trade Rumors: Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver has a strong desire to acquire a starting point guard which opens the door for the Atlanta Hawks to offer a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender
...there is only one affordable player available right now who would fit the criteria of a starting point guard, Jeremy Lin.
Lin is a 30-year-old point guard who has started 217 regular season games over an eight-year NBA career. Not only does he have plenty of starting experience but Jeremy also plays for a rebuilding team in the Hawks who are willing to trade him for a young player/pick.
Consequently, the Atlanta Hawks should prey on Robert Sarver’s unrelenting desire to acquire a starting point guard. The team should offer Jeremy Lin in exchange for 20-year-old power forward Dragan Bender and the contract of Darrell Arthur.
Dragan Bender has taken over 65 percent of his shots from the behind the arc in two seasons with the Suns. The Suns strategy worked because he significantly improved his shooting from the first to the second year. During his rookie year, he shot 27.7 percent taking 2.3 3’s per game. The following season he improved his shooting by 8.9 percent on 3.9 3’s per game.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Dragan Bender should continue to improve as a shooter if given playing time. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that he will get playing time as ESPN has him listed as the third-string center.
Subsequently, he would benefit from a trade to Atlanta because the Hawks are currently combing through internal options in their quest to find a stretch power forward. The Hawks are now experimenting with having John Collins shoot 3’s. In two preseason games, he has gone 0 for 3 from behind the arc.
TL;DR: A trade for Dragan Bender would provide the Hawks with a better stretch power forward for a low price. Furthermore, John Collins could go back to focusing on his strengths which is dunking and rebounding.
kg01 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Dear G0d, yes. For so many reasons...Sir Charles in ChargeNBA Trade Rumors: Would a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender deal work?Code: Select all
NBA Trade Rumors: Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver has a strong desire to acquire a starting point guard which opens the door for the Atlanta Hawks to offer a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender
...there is only one affordable player available right now who would fit the criteria of a starting point guard, Jeremy Lin.
Lin is a 30-year-old point guard who has started 217 regular season games over an eight-year NBA career. Not only does he have plenty of starting experience but Jeremy also plays for a rebuilding team in the Hawks who are willing to trade him for a young player/pick.
Consequently, the Atlanta Hawks should prey on Robert Sarver’s unrelenting desire to acquire a starting point guard. The team should offer Jeremy Lin in exchange for 20-year-old power forward Dragan Bender and the contract of Darrell Arthur.
Dragan Bender has taken over 65 percent of his shots from the behind the arc in two seasons with the Suns. The Suns strategy worked because he significantly improved his shooting from the first to the second year. During his rookie year, he shot 27.7 percent taking 2.3 3’s per game. The following season he improved his shooting by 8.9 percent on 3.9 3’s per game.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Dragan Bender should continue to improve as a shooter if given playing time. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that he will get playing time as ESPN has him listed as the third-string center.
Subsequently, he would benefit from a trade to Atlanta because the Hawks are currently combing through internal options in their quest to find a stretch power forward. The Hawks are now experimenting with having John Collins shoot 3’s. In two preseason games, he has gone 0 for 3 from behind the arc.
TL;DR: A trade for Dragan Bender would provide the Hawks with a better stretch power forward for a low price. Furthermore, John Collins could go back to focusing on his strengths which is dunking and rebounding.
Why would we trade for the privilege of acquiring the right to overpay this soon-to-be restricted FA? 'Cause that's all we'd be doing considering he's not a good player.
We'd also be acquiring a muddied rotation to block Spellman and Collins' development. For ... what exactly?
If we want that guy, just wait to sign him for pennies after PHX punts him just like they did Len. Send Lin somewhere else.
Jamaaliver wrote:Dear G0d, yes. For so many reasons...Sir Charles in ChargeNBA Trade Rumors: Would a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender deal work?Code: Select all
NBA Trade Rumors: Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver has a strong desire to acquire a starting point guard which opens the door for the Atlanta Hawks to offer a Jeremy Lin for Dragan Bender
...there is only one affordable player available right now who would fit the criteria of a starting point guard, Jeremy Lin.
Lin is a 30-year-old point guard who has started 217 regular season games over an eight-year NBA career. Not only does he have plenty of starting experience but Jeremy also plays for a rebuilding team in the Hawks who are willing to trade him for a young player/pick.
Consequently, the Atlanta Hawks should prey on Robert Sarver’s unrelenting desire to acquire a starting point guard. The team should offer Jeremy Lin in exchange for 20-year-old power forward Dragan Bender and the contract of Darrell Arthur.
Dragan Bender has taken over 65 percent of his shots from the behind the arc in two seasons with the Suns. The Suns strategy worked because he significantly improved his shooting from the first to the second year. During his rookie year, he shot 27.7 percent taking 2.3 3’s per game. The following season he improved his shooting by 8.9 percent on 3.9 3’s per game.
Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Dragan Bender should continue to improve as a shooter if given playing time. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that he will get playing time as ESPN has him listed as the third-string center.
Subsequently, he would benefit from a trade to Atlanta because the Hawks are currently combing through internal options in their quest to find a stretch power forward. The Hawks are now experimenting with having John Collins shoot 3’s. In two preseason games, he has gone 0 for 3 from behind the arc.
TL;DR: A trade for Dragan Bender would provide the Hawks with a better stretch power forward for a low price. Furthermore, John Collins could go back to focusing on his strengths which is dunking and rebounding.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
