Future Draft Games

[Laimbeer]

What about one really short experiment game which will only last two rounds. In first round you can draft any two players alltime and in the second round you will draft the rest of your team and end up with 8 like usual and maybe only from 2010 - 2018

reasons

I have always wanted to see some monsters duos like Lebron/Mike, Magic/Shaq etc..

The last drafter will pick his entire team in one go. I have no idea how it would go, the monster duos might win this in a landslide but if we limit the second round with a short timeframe then I could see the first pick end with a lot worse supporting cast than the later picks

anyway it would be really short game and we could just go with ranking

I like this, but I'm kind of concerned for the people as you go farther down. I wonder if there would be a big enough drop in the quality of the fianl six to bridge the advantage you'd be getting from Mike & LeBron, for example. But the tighter pool on the last six may help.

we could make it extreme for the second round were you can only select guys from 2017-18 season.

We could also just have a small pool of drafters like 8 or something

Yeah going back to the 70s for the top two might help as well.

[DCRYsing89]

Nationality (1 player per nation)
This would hurt teams depth majorly
Like Nations that have had NBA players I can list off top of head
America, Canada, Brazil, Dominican republic, Australia, NZ, Russia, France, Spain, Lithuania, Latvia, Greece, The Central Euro Countries, Cameroon.
Enough internationals there to spread out tho not many stars making more team building less star oriented,
To not make it confusing with Kyrie and Simmons types its the nation they most recently declared for or represented,
Same regulations as other games apply otherise.

Height I would be interested to do, especially with modern smallball teams and having Shaq available.
Say 52ft of height, on average 6'5" so you get penalised for stars outside of most guards.
Making a more modern draft likely.

Though honestly I gonna have alot of time on my hands soon (break in study) so I keen for a draft game

I really like the nationality idea. Similar to Fade's International players draft. I'd go by birthplace since that's readily available at BR and isn't ambiguous. It would also beef up the non-US pool.

Could also consider an Olympic draft, where you could only choose a player season if he played in the Olympics the following summer. Wouldn't be limited to one per country, though.

Olympic is nice idea.
But I like the restriction of 1 per nation as teams will look similar to,
So each team would be allowed one american,
Canadians offer up around 8 decent players,
Australia offers like 8 decent players,
NZ has steven adams,
Dominican republic has a few,
France and Spain have a few,
Germany and central euro countries have a few

Like just as an example a team could say end up
Dragic - Manu - Bowen - Giannis - Gasol
Neto - Bennet - Longely
Decent but the depth is trash.
There is enough international players to substitute 2-3 rounds of stars, the american player would add another peice, then it become knowledge of bball to discover what role players are still available.

[lilroddyb]

I like this, but I'm kind of concerned for the people as you go farther down. I wonder if there would be a big enough drop in the quality of the fianl six to bridge the advantage you'd be getting from Mike & LeBron, for example. But the tighter pool on the last six may help.

we could make it extreme for the second round were you can only select guys from 2017-18 season.

We could also just have a small pool of drafters like 8 or something

Yeah going back to the 70s for the top two might help as well.

Yea it could work but I think the first pick might be in trouble if the second pick will have a shallow pool like only 2018 season.

For example the last pick could end with Dwyane wade and Dirk so if he gets 5 picks in a row after those two, he could take all of the great cheap role players plus some allstars like Draymond Green, Rudy Gobert, Iggy, Victor Oladipo, P.J. Tucker etc.. while the first pick is going to end with most likely scrubs

Maybe for the second round there would only be three seasons available and you can only choose from one season and the seasons could be: 2018, 2010 and 2005.

That will make sure that the first pick will atleast get decent players around his stars

[Fadeaway_J]

Choose your accolade draft.

You can draft one MVP OR any two players who weren't MVPs, OR three maybe four players with third team as highest accolade.

So basically the Batman OR Robin game?

How are the other picks (non accolade) handled? Single picks?

Would be like a normal eight round draft except you choose which accolade restriction you want

One MVP, the other seven no accolades
Two of any stripe except MVPs, the other six no accolades
Four with no higher than 3rd team all-NBA and four with no accolades

I would loosen up the first one a little bit, maybe just add an All-Star/All-NBA Third Team or something. No accolades at all is pretty rough.

For the third category, I'd suggest at least one All-NBA Second Teamer. Just using the Pistons as an example of the best-case scenario for that kind of roster, Billups and Big Ben both made Second Team at some point.

[Mamba4Goat]

Not sure if this is the right place to put it, but the TnT board is doing a weekly rolling trade challenge and this first week's is "Get Giannis Shooters". Here's the link for those that want to participate: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1745597

Feel free to let me know if there's any questions!

[Dr Positivity]

So basically the Batman OR Robin game?

How are the other picks (non accolade) handled? Single picks?

Would be like a normal eight round draft except you choose which accolade restriction you want

One MVP, the other seven no accolades
Two of any stripe except MVPs, the other six no accolades
Four with no higher than 3rd team all-NBA and four with no accolades

I would loosen up the first one a little bit, maybe just add an All-Star/All-NBA Third Team or something. No accolades at all is pretty rough.

For the third category, I'd suggest at least one All-NBA Second Teamer. Just using the Pistons as an example of the best-case scenario for that kind of roster, Billups and Big Ben both made Second Team at some point.

MVP + no other all-stars may be rough, but 2 1st team All NBAs and 3 other starters being non all stars, is also less talent than these games are used to especially since with picks being made one at a time it's not like someone can get Kawhi/Wade this time. The way Laimbeer has it sets up seems relatively even to me, but whether people are interested in teams that probably wouldn't win the title in 2018 is a different question as in the past there's been some resistance. Personally I really like the idea of seeing if a team of four supporting all-stars can beat one MJ/LBJ and has been the type of game I've been trying to think of how to do for a while, I'm in support of the rules as Laimbeer posted them

[Fadeaway_J]

Would be like a normal eight round draft except you choose which accolade restriction you want

One MVP, the other seven no accolades
Two of any stripe except MVPs, the other six no accolades
Four with no higher than 3rd team all-NBA and four with no accolades

I would loosen up the first one a little bit, maybe just add an All-Star/All-NBA Third Team or something. No accolades at all is pretty rough.

For the third category, I'd suggest at least one All-NBA Second Teamer. Just using the Pistons as an example of the best-case scenario for that kind of roster, Billups and Big Ben both made Second Team at some point.

MVP + no other all-stars may be rough, but 2 1st team All NBAs and 3 other starters being non all stars, is also less talent than these games are used to especially since with picks being made one at a time it's not like someone can get Kawhi/Wade this time. The way Laimbeer has it sets up seems relatively even to me, but whether people are interested in teams that probably wouldn't win the title in 2018 is a different question as in the past there's been some resistance. Personally I really like the idea of seeing if a team of four supporting all-stars can beat one MJ/LBJ and has been the type of game I've been trying to think of how to do for a while, I'm in support of the rules as Laimbeer posted them

I'm totally on board with less talent, but I don't think we have to go that far. Even one-star teams like the 1994 Rockets and 2003 Spurs had at least one other guy who'd already been an All-Star, as well as others who would do so in the future.

[migya]

Would be like a normal eight round draft except you choose which accolade restriction you want

One MVP, the other seven no accolades
Two of any stripe except MVPs, the other six no accolades
Four with no higher than 3rd team all-NBA and four with no accolades

I would loosen up the first one a little bit, maybe just add an All-Star/All-NBA Third Team or something. No accolades at all is pretty rough.

For the third category, I'd suggest at least one All-NBA Second Teamer. Just using the Pistons as an example of the best-case scenario for that kind of roster, Billups and Big Ben both made Second Team at some point.

MVP + no other all-stars may be rough, but 2 1st team All NBAs and 3 other starters being non all stars, is also less talent than these games are used to especially since with picks being made one at a time it's not like someone can get Kawhi/Wade this time. The way Laimbeer has it sets up seems relatively even to me, but whether people are interested in teams that probably wouldn't win the title in 2018 is a different question as in the past there's been some resistance. Personally I really like the idea of seeing if a team of four supporting all-stars can beat one MJ/LBJ and has been the type of game I've been trying to think of how to do for a while, I'm in support of the rules as Laimbeer posted them

Sounds like a good and different idea. So would it be like half the participants get two stars and the rest of their team nonallstars and the other half of the teams get all allstars on their teams?

[Fadeaway_J]

I would loosen up the first one a little bit, maybe just add an All-Star/All-NBA Third Team or something. No accolades at all is pretty rough.

For the third category, I'd suggest at least one All-NBA Second Teamer. Just using the Pistons as an example of the best-case scenario for that kind of roster, Billups and Big Ben both made Second Team at some point.

MVP + no other all-stars may be rough, but 2 1st team All NBAs and 3 other starters being non all stars, is also less talent than these games are used to especially since with picks being made one at a time it's not like someone can get Kawhi/Wade this time. The way Laimbeer has it sets up seems relatively even to me, but whether people are interested in teams that probably wouldn't win the title in 2018 is a different question as in the past there's been some resistance. Personally I really like the idea of seeing if a team of four supporting all-stars can beat one MJ/LBJ and has been the type of game I've been trying to think of how to do for a while, I'm in support of the rules as Laimbeer posted them

Sounds like a good and different idea. So would it be like half the participants get two stars and the rest of their team nonallstars and the other half of the teams get all allstars on their teams?

You choose which of the three structures you want to use. If you take LeBron with your first pick, you're done picking All-Stars/All-NBA players after that.

[migya]

MVP + no other all-stars may be rough, but 2 1st team All NBAs and 3 other starters being non all stars, is also less talent than these games are used to especially since with picks being made one at a time it's not like someone can get Kawhi/Wade this time. The way Laimbeer has it sets up seems relatively even to me, but whether people are interested in teams that probably wouldn't win the title in 2018 is a different question as in the past there's been some resistance. Personally I really like the idea of seeing if a team of four supporting all-stars can beat one MJ/LBJ and has been the type of game I've been trying to think of how to do for a while, I'm in support of the rules as Laimbeer posted them

Sounds like a good and different idea. So would it be like half the participants get two stars and the rest of their team nonallstars and the other half of the teams get all allstars on their teams?

You choose which of the three structures you want to use. If you take LeBron with your first pick, you're done picking All-Stars/All-NBA players after that.

I think the advantage is obviously with the allstars teams, they'd have alot more talent and proven ability.

[Fadeaway_J]

Sounds like a good and different idea. So would it be like half the participants get two stars and the rest of their team nonallstars and the other half of the teams get all allstars on their teams?

You choose which of the three structures you want to use. If you take LeBron with your first pick, you're done picking All-Stars/All-NBA players after that.

I think the advantage is obviously with the allstars teams, they'd have alot more talent and proven ability.

That's what I'm saying. It's too extreme. You have to consider that even guys like AK-47, Mason, Iguodala, Grant, Chandler, and Bogut who are generally used more as role players would be off the table for MVPs. Maybe LeBron could overcome that with the right pieces, but most MVPs are going to be at a clear disadvantage IMO.

[Dr Positivity]

Sounds like a good and different idea. So would it be like half the participants get two stars and the rest of their team nonallstars and the other half of the teams get all allstars on their teams?

You choose which of the three structures you want to use. If you take LeBron with your first pick, you're done picking All-Stars/All-NBA players after that.

I think the advantage is obviously with the allstars teams, they'd have alot more talent and proven ability.

So just to be clear the 3 options are

MVP + no other all-stars
2 1st team All-NBA + no other all-stars
4(?) 3rd team All-NBA + no other all-stars

The all-star group could be overpowered but it depends on how many go that route and how thin the pool gets. I don't think at team will be able to put together a group as good as say Wall, Klay, Marion and Horford because other people will take those players first. A more realistic team may be something like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler which is beatable. It might be worth considering 3 all-stars for the third group though

[migya]

You choose which of the three structures you want to use. If you take LeBron with your first pick, you're done picking All-Stars/All-NBA players after that.

I think the advantage is obviously with the allstars teams, they'd have alot more talent and proven ability.

So just to be clear the 3 options are

MVP + no other all-stars
2 1st team All-NBA + no other all-stars
4(?) 3rd team All-NBA + no other all-stars

The all-star group could be overpowered but it depends on how many go that route and how thin the pool gets. I don't think at team will be able to put together a group as good as say Wall, Klay, Marion and Horford because other people will take those players first. A more realistic team may be something like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler which is beatable. It might be worth considering 3 all-stars for the third group though

Definitely interesting and I think it would be a good idea for a draft. Having options of how to build a team, with rules for each option and the options being reasonably the same in value, makes for a good game.

[Fadeaway_J]

You choose which of the three structures you want to use. If you take LeBron with your first pick, you're done picking All-Stars/All-NBA players after that.

I think the advantage is obviously with the allstars teams, they'd have alot more talent and proven ability.

So just to be clear the 3 options are

MVP + no other all-stars
2 1st team All-NBA + no other all-stars
4(?) 3rd team All-NBA + no other all-stars

The all-star group could be overpowered but it depends on how many go that route and how thin the pool gets. I don't think at team will be able to put together a group as good as say Wall, Klay, Marion and Horford because other people will take those players first. A more realistic team may be something like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler which is beatable. It might be worth considering 3 all-stars for the third group though

This is what I would do:

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 2

I think this balances it out better.

[migya]

I think the advantage is obviously with the allstars teams, they'd have alot more talent and proven ability.

So just to be clear the 3 options are

MVP + no other all-stars
2 1st team All-NBA + no other all-stars
4(?) 3rd team All-NBA + no other all-stars

The all-star group could be overpowered but it depends on how many go that route and how thin the pool gets. I don't think at team will be able to put together a group as good as say Wall, Klay, Marion and Horford because other people will take those players first. A more realistic team may be something like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler which is beatable. It might be worth considering 3 all-stars for the third group though

This is what I would do:

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 2

I think this balances it out better.

That really is not much different to the usual drafts we have, which is not a bad thing, but it is pretty similar. I'm liking the current draft of picking players that played roles on a team, even if fairly limited ones. It makes for a whole lot more searching and strategy.

[Fadeaway_J]

So just to be clear the 3 options are

MVP + no other all-stars
2 1st team All-NBA + no other all-stars
4(?) 3rd team All-NBA + no other all-stars

The all-star group could be overpowered but it depends on how many go that route and how thin the pool gets. I don't think at team will be able to put together a group as good as say Wall, Klay, Marion and Horford because other people will take those players first. A more realistic team may be something like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler which is beatable. It might be worth considering 3 all-stars for the third group though

This is what I would do:

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 2

I think this balances it out better.

That really is not much different to the usual drafts we have, which is not a bad thing, but it is pretty similar. I'm liking the current draft of picking players that played roles on a team, even if fairly limited ones. It makes for a whole lot more searching and strategy.

In a typical draft each team has a minimum of four or five All-NBA/All-Star guys. Hell, Prez has six or seven in the current game. And keep in mind that these are the highest accolade each player ever earned, so you couldn't take someone like KD as an All-NBA Second Teamer for example.

[Laimbeer]

I think the advantage is obviously with the allstars teams, they'd have alot more talent and proven ability.

So just to be clear the 3 options are

MVP + no other all-stars
2 1st team All-NBA + no other all-stars
4(?) 3rd team All-NBA + no other all-stars

The all-star group could be overpowered but it depends on how many go that route and how thin the pool gets. I don't think at team will be able to put together a group as good as say Wall, Klay, Marion and Horford because other people will take those players first. A more realistic team may be something like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler which is beatable. It might be worth considering 3 all-stars for the third group though

This is what I would do:

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 2

I think this balances it out better.

I don't think a group like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler creates more separation than the fact the MVP teams are going to a guy an ocean better than anyone else.

[Fadeaway_J]

So just to be clear the 3 options are

MVP + no other all-stars
2 1st team All-NBA + no other all-stars
4(?) 3rd team All-NBA + no other all-stars

The all-star group could be overpowered but it depends on how many go that route and how thin the pool gets. I don't think at team will be able to put together a group as good as say Wall, Klay, Marion and Horford because other people will take those players first. A more realistic team may be something like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler which is beatable. It might be worth considering 3 all-stars for the third group though

This is what I would do:

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 2

I think this balances it out better.

I don't think a group like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler creates more separation than the fact the MVP teams are going to a guy an ocean better than anyone else.

Which is why I added the second team guy.

What about this?

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 3

[Laimbeer]

This is what I would do:

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 2

I think this balances it out better.

I don't think a group like Goran Dragic, Jimmy Butler, Paul Millsap and Tyson Chandler creates more separation than the fact the MVP teams are going to a guy an ocean better than anyone else.

Which is why I added the second team guy.

What about this?

MVP + one other All-Star (no All-NBA)
First Team All-NBA x 2
Second Team All-NBA x 1 + Third Team All-NBA x 3

Yeah I like the stronger bottom tier. They are the ones I was most concerned for in this. My guess is the top tier will have over half the teams, some from the second tier, and even fewer - maybe one or two - at the bottom tier. We'll see.

[Laimbeer]

Bird, Fade, Tony, migya, and Dr P are the better ones for me at first glance. Overall a very solid job of building by everyone and the talent wasn't as thin as I anticipated.