Trade Thread 2: Make your offers here

[gardenofsound]

Hey Laker fan here, just gauging your opinion on this future trade for the 2019 FA period. Assuming you guys dont sign or intend to sign anyone major.

Luol Deng + 2020 LAL SRP for Cristiano Feliciano

It's a deal where you guys trade 2019 cap for 2020 cap space and get a SRP for the trouble. Lakers do it so that we dont need to stretch a contract to gain a max slot and we take a swing at Feliciano being a usable C for us. Ideally we'd prolly like to trade Deng + FRP to get rid of his 2019 salary outright (giving us ~11m in cap space to find the best ring chaser we can), but this deal gets us a C that might rehab his value by playing off of Lebron, and we keep our FRP to use as trade ammo in a future deal.

This deal from the Lakers PoV is way better than stretching Deng and taking a 3 year dead money hit, at least we take a chance on Feliciano on being usable, and can use his deal as salary filler in any future trade, unlike a stretched Deng.

If we somehow hit on our late FRP again (Moritz Wagner, which i doubt tbh), i can see Laker fans clamoring to not trade any FRPs away and use em ourselves. This is a nice alternative to in that we dont burn up a FRP to move Deng.

I think the Bulls 2019 SRP would be desired as well in return

[Vae Victus]

Hey Laker fan here, just gauging your opinion on this future trade for the 2019 FA period. Assuming you guys dont sign or intend to sign anyone major.

Luol Deng + 2020 LAL SRP for Cristiano Feliciano

It's a deal where you guys trade 2019 cap for 2020 cap space and get a SRP for the trouble. Lakers do it so that we dont need to stretch a contract to gain a max slot and we take a swing at Feliciano being a usable C for us. Ideally we'd prolly like to trade Deng + FRP to get rid of his 2019 salary outright (giving us ~11m in cap space to find the best ring chaser we can), but this deal gets us a C that might rehab his value by playing off of Lebron, and we keep our FRP to use as trade ammo in a future deal.

This deal from the Lakers PoV is way better than stretching Deng and taking a 3 year dead money hit, at least we take a chance on Feliciano on being usable, and can use his deal as salary filler in any future trade, unlike a stretched Deng.

If we somehow hit on our late FRP again (Moritz Wagner, which i doubt tbh), i can see Laker fans clamoring to not trade any FRPs away and use em ourselves. This is a nice alternative to in that we dont burn up a FRP to move Deng.

I think the Bulls 2019 SRP would be desired as well in return

We traded that away already for Isaac Bonga #39 pick this draft. Also no chance ya'll getting 2 SRPs, since the deal is mostly money neutral, at best maybe ask for a coupla mil in cash to cover difference in salary.

[sco]

Hey Laker fan here, just gauging your opinion on this future trade for the 2019 FA period. Assuming you guys dont sign or intend to sign anyone major.

Luol Deng + 2020 LAL SRP for Cristiano Feliciano

It's a deal where you guys trade 2019 cap for 2020 cap space and get a SRP for the trouble. Lakers do it so that we dont need to stretch a contract to gain a max slot and we take a swing at Feliciano being a usable C for us. Ideally we'd prolly like to trade Deng + FRP to get rid of his 2019 salary outright (giving us ~11m in cap space to find the best ring chaser we can), but this deal gets us a C that might rehab his value by playing off of Lebron, and we keep our FRP to use as trade ammo in a future deal.

This deal from the Lakers PoV is way better than stretching Deng and taking a 3 year dead money hit, at least we take a chance on Feliciano on being usable, and can use his deal as salary filler in any future trade, unlike a stretched Deng.

If we somehow hit on our late FRP again (Moritz Wagner, which i doubt tbh), i can see Laker fans clamoring to not trade any FRPs away and use em ourselves. This is a nice alternative to in that we dont burn up a FRP to move Deng.

I don't think the FO wants to give-up next off-season salary flexibility. If we don't resign Parker, we'll have a ton a space to bring in a real FA stud or two.

[kodo]

Ever since late last season, Bulls also can't afford to have a veteran like Deng on the roster otherwise Silver will actually make us play them.

This really caught the Bulls off-guard and has been unprecedented in NBA history. If they had known this going in, I'm fairly sure Holiday & maybe RoLo would have been dumped at the trade deadline.

Not sure why the Lakers can permanently bench Deng, but the Bulls can't bench Holiday & Rolo, but it is what it is. Bulls have to intend to play any veteran they acquire, and we absolutely don't want to play Deng over Jabari & Hutchison.

[Hangtime84]

Hey Laker fan here, just gauging your opinion on this future trade for the 2019 FA period. Assuming you guys dont sign or intend to sign anyone major.

Luol Deng + 2020 LAL SRP for Cristiano Feliciano

It's a deal where you guys trade 2019 cap for 2020 cap space and get a SRP for the trouble. Lakers do it so that we dont need to stretch a contract to gain a max slot and we take a swing at Feliciano being a usable C for us. Ideally we'd prolly like to trade Deng + FRP to get rid of his 2019 salary outright (giving us ~11m in cap space to find the best ring chaser we can), but this deal gets us a C that might rehab his value by playing off of Lebron, and we keep our FRP to use as trade ammo in a future deal.

This deal from the Lakers PoV is way better than stretching Deng and taking a 3 year dead money hit, at least we take a chance on Feliciano on being usable, and can use his deal as salary filler in any future trade, unlike a stretched Deng.

If we somehow hit on our late FRP again (Moritz Wagner, which i doubt tbh), i can see Laker fans clamoring to not trade any FRPs away and use em ourselves. This is a nice alternative to in that we dont burn up a FRP to move Deng.

I don't think the FO wants to give-up next off-season salary flexibility. If we don't resign Parker, we'll have a ton a space to bring in a real FA stud or two.

I don't think the Bulls want to either. But it's a fantasy for the bulls FO to consider themselves a player in next years FA.

[terry]

Luol Deng agrees to buyout with Lakers. Should the Bulls sign him as a veteran mentor?

[jacoby1us]

Luol Deng agrees to buyout with Lakers. Should the Bulls sign him as a veteran mentor?

No

[MalagaBulls]

Regarding the thread I threw up about Anthony Davis, anybody venture to guess what it would hypothetically take to get the convo started. I think minimum 2019/21 1sts, Lauri, and others to make salaries work.

[sco]

Regarding the thread I threw up about Anthony Davis, anybody venture to guess what it would hypothetically take to get the convo started. I think minimum 2019/21 1sts, Lauri, and others to make salaries work.

Would this deal be different that the Kawhi deal in terms of trading for a guy who will be a UFA? If so, I think the price wouldn't be Lauri plus 2 firsts.

I know you don't walk away from a deal for a guy like AD, but I wrestle with the fact that he plays same position as our best player - who we'd need to give up in that deal.

[MalagaBulls]

Regarding the thread I threw up about Anthony Davis, anybody venture to guess what it would hypothetically take to get the convo started. I think minimum 2019/21 1sts, Lauri, and others to make salaries work.

Would this deal be different that the Kawhi deal in terms of trading for a guy who will be a UFA? If so, I think the price wouldn't be Lauri plus 2 firsts.

I know you don't walk away from a deal for a guy like AD, but I wrestle with the fact that he plays same position as our best player - who we'd need to give up in that deal.

Well, after I made the initial thread I had a look at Basketball Reference and saw he is listed as a 4/5. I remember reading a few articles where he played the 5 and Niko the 4 after Cousins went down with his injury. My point is that he is versatile as both a 4 or 5 and would replace Lauri at the 4 where he played a majority of the games.
But in thinking about it might be better served to wait this out until 2020 when he becomes a FA. I think you make the call to NOLA's FO if he does go on the block before the trade deadline. Only way the probably happens is if NO is out of it badly and AD is unhappy. Time will tell.

[bearadonisdna]

Ever since late last season, Bulls also can't afford to have a veteran like Deng on the roster otherwise Silver will actually make us play them.

This really caught the Bulls off-guard and has been unprecedented in NBA history. If they had known this going in, I'm fairly sure Holiday & maybe RoLo would have been dumped at the trade deadline.

Not sure why the Lakers can permanently bench Deng, but the Bulls can't bench Holiday & Rolo, but it is what it is. Bulls have to intend to play any veteran they acquire, and we absolutely don't want to play Deng over Jabari & Hutchison.

IIRC, i think the Bulls made a League-wide announcement about their benchings. At the time i jested the Bulls had themselves to blame somewhat and i mentioned that their transparency was a way to appease a critical fanbase

[sco]

While I like Bobby Portis, he may be a good trade candidate, given his pending contract situation and the needs of the team.

What team(s) would see Bobby as a starter for them that might be willing to trade him for a 2020 or 2021 1st?

[kulaz3000]

While I like Bobby Portis, he may be a good trade candidate, given his pending contract situation and the needs of the team.

What team(s) would see Bobby as a starter for them that might be willing to trade him for a 2020 or 2021 1st?

I think he could start for the Clippers, Pistons, Mavs, Hornets, Heat, Blazers, and the Thunder.

[Repeat 3-peat]

I'd try to flip BP for a young defensive wing if no long term contract can be agreed on.

I've proposed BP for Winslow.

[kulaz3000]

I'd try to flip BP for a young defensive wing if no long term contract can be agreed on.

I've proposed BP for Winslow.

I'd prefer a late lottery, mid-first round pick for Bobby over Winslow.

If Bobby makes even the slightest improvement from last season, his trade value should be close or better than Niko's last season, which should net us a mid-first round pick.

Winslow has been a disappointment for sure, but he could be had in free agency on a very suitable deal possibly. Bobby's value is so much higher than Winslow's at this stage, that trading those two straight up would be horrible for the Bulls.

[GimmeDat]

Winslows been pretty underwhelming, and especually abysmal offensively. He's not without value, he's worth giving a crack as a flier, but he's no notable asset. I don't see giving him an opportunity over Hutch an obvious conclusion, abd he might work best as a small 4 anyway.

[bigworld2017]

I would not trade Portis. Too young. Too much potential. The only trades I'd like to see made are RoLo and perhaps Holiday for draft choices. Even 2nd rounders. That would free up more playing time for Portis and Valentine. I want to see what both of these young guys can do over a full season, with consistent meaningful minutes, in games we are not trying to lose.

[Ccwatercraft]

I would not trade Portis. Too young. Too much potential. The only trades I'd like to see made are RoLo and perhaps Holiday for draft choices. Even 2nd rounders. That would free up more playing time for Portis and Valentine. I want to see what both of these young guys can do over a full season, with consistent meaningful minutes, in games we are not trying to lose.

amen.

I'm baffled why people would want to trade him like for a mid first for example, what would the hope be? Maybe the mid first in a couple of years could be nearly as good as he is now? No thanks, keep him, pay him, try to win (vs lose) and re-evaluate in the offseason. Rolo and Holiday sure, or more likely situation is to just let them expire if they don't fit in the long term plans.

If portis is traded it must be for equal talent that is a better fit, not for future cap space, i'm tired of that.

[Repeat 3-peat]

It's possible that BP could bring back a first, and if so that would be a great return if no long term can be worked out, but I don't see it.

Winslow isn't great offensively but he's pretty stout defensively. The hope would be that his offense improves enough where he's not a considered a black hole, albeit he shot 38% from three.

[gardenofsound]

I would not trade Portis. Too young. Too much potential. The only trades I'd like to see made are RoLo and perhaps Holiday for draft choices. Even 2nd rounders. That would free up more playing time for Portis and Valentine. I want to see what both of these young guys can do over a full season, with consistent meaningful minutes, in games we are not trying to lose.

amen.

I'm baffled why people would want to trade him like for a mid first for example, what would the hope be? Maybe the mid first in a couple of years could be nearly as good as he is now? No thanks, keep him, pay him, try to win (vs lose) and re-evaluate in the offseason. Rolo and Holiday sure, or more likely situation is to just let them expire if they don't fit in the long term plans.

If portis is traded it must be for equal talent that is a better fit, not for future cap space, i'm tired of that.

If BP continues his developmental trajectory, he will command upwards of $12mm as an RFA. Consider the Bulls' strengths, weaknesses, and gluts right now. We have our long term starting bigs already more or less determined to be Lauri and Wendell. Should we really be paying this much money on a bench big?

I argue we shouldn't. That money should be used to address an area of weakness. I'd rather spend that money on a PG/wing 6th man type of player. There will be other vet bigs on the market or available in the draft who can fill out our bench for much cheaper and be effective. Robert Williams just went in the late 20's, and he's exactly the type of player/pick the Bulls should be going for.