Political Roundtable Part XXII

[Wizardspride]

Fox News: Obama returns to campaign trail with fiery speech; Trump counters, 'I fell asleep'

I think other outlets can use this as a template for headlines:

Obama criticizes Trump; Trump flips out but unconvincingly tweets, 'I fell asleep'
President asked about important policy matter; Trump counters, 'I fell asleep'
They were talking about something other than Trump; Trump counters, 'I fell asleep'
'Then what did you do after you grabbed p****, Mr. President?'; Trump counters, 'I fell asleep'
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People close to Trump say he has long complained about the fawning coverage and adulation that he believes Obama has received, even after leaving the White House. The dynamic has only bolstered his deep-seated belief that he’ll never be treated fairly or given credit in establishment Washington.

But Trump also sees Obama as a much more formidable political opponent than Hillary Clinton, the one he actually beat, and Trump’s allies have privately worried that the 44th president could get in his successor’s head

[dckingsfan]

For those who don't think Trump has dementia... well, I don't know what to say.

[dobrojim]

You could create an entire medical textbook on all the various mental defects DJT has
(the effects of having had a really and seriously effed up father).

For one, he is the king of projection. All the things he does are what he accuses his opponents of doing or being.

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Kris Kobach failed in his attempt to nationalize Republican voter suppression and cheating schemes, but they are still being carried-out on the state and local level

[GhostofChenier]

What happen to Ruzzia Ruzzia Ruzzia Ruzzia Ruzzia

[dckingsfan]

Kris Kobach failed in his attempt to nationalize Republican voter suppression and cheating schemes, but they are still being carried-out on the state and local level

It starts with the false narrative that there is a lot of voter cheating and it moves from there - "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though there isn't a problem.

Same way with war on crime. "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though the problem is diminishing.

[GhostofChenier]

Kris Kobach failed in his attempt to nationalize Republican voter suppression and cheating schemes, but they are still being carried-out on the state and local level

It starts with the false narrative that there is a lot of voter cheating and it moves from there - "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though there isn't a problem.

Same way with war on crime. "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though the problem is diminishing.

In my neighborshood in 2016 buses take older to vote to places. Big problem was almost all not citizen. But free ride food and fun.

[stilldropin20]

Kris Kobach failed in his attempt to nationalize Republican voter suppression and cheating schemes, but they are still being carried-out on the state and local level

It starts with the false narrative that there is a lot of voter cheating and it moves from there - "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though there isn't a problem.

Same way with war on crime. "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though the problem is diminishing.

Violent crime and crime in general is not diminishing. at all. You keep pointing to the same stupid graphs that dont deal with reality and also dont show any type of crime rate diminishing.

1. your graphs show 400-500% increases in crime rates across the board since 1940-2017
2. Marked increase in the 80's-90's with a sharp decrease following that but rates that are still 3-4 times higher in 2017 than 1960!!! so please stop saying its decreasing. Its not. Crime rates are still up!! way up!! Just not
3. Due to massive increase in population from the 1940's

cops are just reporting it less because people call on the police less often<--- due to high crime areas being overwhelmed with all kinds of crime and exhaustion, less detectives to solve crimes, "snitches getting stitches" social values and which all lead to heavy fatigued in dealing with crime.

To further complicate the entire issue is that the local "economies" in these high crime areas have come to accept drug dealing as almost the sole source of revenue into their communities.

To sum it up:

1. Statistically you are WRONG! and thats by just looking at your own stats.
2. Nuanced analysis shows you are way off and that crime is just being reported significantly less and less detectives are on the streets to solve crimes and make more "reports" more as they investigate.
3. Politically, local mayors dont want crime "stats" up on their watch.<--that's how they lose elections. Mayors are in charge of police departments and do everything they can to suppress crime stats. oldest play in the book...except its more nuanced in the modern era of viral "news." So the mayors simply put less detectives on the streets. In chicago, we have about half of the detectives in 2018 that we have in 1995. <--crime data suppression at its finest.

[stilldropin20]

What happen to Ruzzia Ruzzia Ruzzia Ruzzia Ruzzia

dude, OMG...you didn't hear?? they got the guy!!! Busted him cold!!!! He's about to do 2 weeks hard time and hard labor!! We dont play around with hardened criminals that mess with our elections. Especially this time around because (as you know) CNN told us how awful and egregious this particular meddling in our election was...every day...23.5 hours per day. 7 days per week for 265 straight days. I still remember the day they backed off in December 2017. <--anybody else remember that day??? They began to slow their roll on collusion and russia altogether to a light trickle. <--barely mention it at all today.

So when they busted the big colluder in chief and got the big interview...guess when they put it on??? Take a guess!!!!! 11 pm last friday night!!!!!!!! 11 effing PM!!! ON A FRIDAY!!!!!! The replay? 11 pm sunday night!!! That's tonight!!!!

Are you kidding me!!!

This is why peter Strzok said over 2 years ago..."there's no there there." So they proceeded with their insurance plan. Which was to cloud the entire trump presidency in russia gate. Frustrate him into obstruction gate. Which they dont have either.

But for 2 years they have been able to investigate him carte blanche...and have not laid a (legal) glove on him. I cant imagine any human being (being) so clean. NOBODY is that clean. Nobody has as few of skeletons in their closet as trump. But through the media the democrats and the media have been able to convince the left that Trump is a "jerk." <--which their is no proof of being true. the proof is that Trump values loyalty and is loyal to a fault.

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[dckingsfan]

Kris Kobach failed in his attempt to nationalize Republican voter suppression and cheating schemes, but they are still being carried-out on the state and local level

It starts with the false narrative that there is a lot of voter cheating and it moves from there - "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though there isn't a problem.

Same way with war on crime. "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though the problem is diminishing.

Or another way to look at this:

197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.

We should really throw some resources at this HUGE problem.

And we should TOTAL ignore this reality - the dramatic decline in crime nationwide over the past two decades.
https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/what-caused-crime-decline

[stilldropin20]

Kris Kobach failed in his attempt to nationalize Republican voter suppression and cheating schemes, but they are still being carried-out on the state and local level

It starts with the false narrative that there is a lot of voter cheating and it moves from there - "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though there isn't a problem.

Same way with war on crime. "I am offering legislation to attack this problem" - even though the problem is diminishing.

Or another way to look at this:

197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.

We should really throw some resources at this HUGE problem.

And we should TOTAL ignore this reality - the dramatic decline in crime nationwide over the past two decades.
https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/what-caused-crime-decline

counting illegal aliens the same as citizen (counting them at all) when dividing up congressional districts is just as bad if not worse!!!!!! probably worse because not every citizen votes...but basically gifting districts with high amounts of illegal immigrants what is essentially more representation is just as appalling. We need to count citizens not general population numbers.

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) says the counting of illegal aliens when dividing up congressional seats and electoral college votes is a violation of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Brooks, along with the state of Alabama, are suing the federal government for their counting of illegal aliens, rather than citizens, in congressional apportionment and the dividing up of electoral college votes.

We’re probably in the neighborhood of about 15 million illegal aliens in America now. 15 million comes out to roughly 20 congressional seats and 20 electoral college votes. Each congressional seat has roughly 700,000 to 800,000 people in it. [Emphasis added]

So, if you count illegal aliens in the Census for the purposes of distributing political power, that’s the number of congressmen per state or … the number of electoral college votes per state, you’re talking about … 20 electoral college votes and congressmen that are taken from states that follow our laws, that help our border patrol agents, and help our ICE agents … shifting those 20 congressional seats and 20 electoral college seats to states like California that have large numbers of illegal aliens in them. [Emphasis added]

I personally believe that’s wrong, on a policy level, but I also believe it violates the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution because it dilutes the voting power of citizens who live in states that don’t harbor an enormous number of illegal aliens. [Emphasis added]

Puertorican DA Attorney.

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[stilldropin20]

^^^^just another weekend in chicago!!!!!!

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ya know...what is more more important than party affiliation and which political platform . you support?

Term limits. And Strong Anti-lobby laws. Too many swamp creatures stick around too long and make too many bad deals. For example Mueller and Comey have cycled themselves in and out of the private sector and scored millions as lobbyist for gaovernment contractors. Comey made 6 million in one year alone just a few short years ago when he "left public office" and successfully lobbied the government to get a deal for lockheed. Then was back in office as an appointee shortly after replacing mueller...who is also a lobbyist. <--this crap has to end. You can NOT get rich off the tax payer while in office. And the laws must be harsh...no lobbying at all for 10 years prior or after time serving the government (in any capacity).

1. 8 years total in congress either branch. 4 year terms for both houses.
2. 4 years total as political appointee.
3. illegal to lobby(in any way shape or form) in any 10 year period (both directly prior and directly after) any position in congress or being any type of appointee.
4. (1) 6 year term as president.
5. 14 years maximum as member of congress and president (VP)
6. 10 years for Supreme court
7. 10 years for lower courts. (20 years total as any kind of judge).
8. similar restrictions to states.

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Your point is what? Please tell me you believe Obama needs to be locked up because he did....

Otherwise this appears to be an illogical post???? No real reasonable person believes Trump is on par with Obama or Bush or Carter or W or any president since Nixon or Clinton when it comes to actual scandal and decency. The only one that might actually have charges brought against them is Trump. If you are so confused that you really are still in trumps corner with all of the illogical racist dog whistles that he blows...then you might have issues that most of the rest of us dont share.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-10/trump-wants-pompeo-to-study-killing-of-farmers/10158114
Exactly how does this issue make America great again? Oh I remember it pits white people against the rest of the human race...us vs them...yeah thats what we all want in OUR president.

[CobraCommander]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/10/naomi-osaka-japan-ignores-serena-spat-to-celebrate-first-grand-slam-winner
Do you consider it progress that most of the Japanese and US media called Naomi Osaka a Japanese tennis player vs a Black or Black Japanese player?

[CobraCommander]

ya know...what is more more important than party affiliation and which political platform . you support?

How abort just supporting is term limits.

1. 8 years total in congress either branch. 4 year terms for both houses.
2. 4 years total as political appointee.
3. illegal to lobby(in any way shape or form) in any 10 year period (both directly prior and directly after) any position in congress or being any type of appointee.
4. (1) 6 year term as president.
5. 14 years maximum as member of congress and president (VP)
6. 10 years for Supreme court
7. 10 years for lower courts. (20 years total as any kind of judge).
8. similar restrictions to states.

Only thing that we have ever mostly agreed on....the Supreme Court thing is SCARY AS HELL! Lifetime appointments are INSANE!?!?!?! Someone could go senile and it would be tough to remove them....