soda wrote:I feel the same way about you, that the world will be a better place once YOUR kind dies out.
I never stated what political or economic system I support. I merely pointed out your cluelessness.
Your particular response to my previous post was about the means of production, and you defined socialism as seizing the means of production for workers. I clearly pointed out that this is what the DSA actually believes, and you moved the goalposts.
Nobody is moving the goal posts you're just too to preoccupied with your delusions that you can't follow a simple conversation
I wrote:
Unless a person is in favor of taking away the means of production from private individuals they are not a socialist (by strict definition).
You wrote:
They absolute favor taking away the means of production from private individuals.
Then I showed you this:
Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.
The need for "market mechanisms" implies allowing private enterprise to exists. Quit sticking your head in the sand.
Your initial definition didn't make any mention of central planning, which is not part of the core definition of socialism, since every single country on earth, including the USA, has some degree of central planning. Your intial definition of socialism was the correct one: its workers seizing the means of production, the revolution of the proletiarat.
Did you even bother to read the page or even what I posted? That was only the first sentence. I know what the literal definition of socialism is and I also know what it means in its modern connotation. You don't need to remind me.
By this definition, I know that Bernie Sanders is not a socialist, and I know that none of the countries of Europe are socialist. Sanders and the European model advocate capitalism with a high tax rate and a huge social safety net underlined by massive government services. That's not socialsm, that's a form of capitalism. We can debate all day whether that's good or bad, but its not Marxism and its not the USSR. AOC is to the left of Bernie Sanders; she, and the democratic socialists of America are not advocating for what Bernie Sanders and the European model stand for, they advocate for actual socialsim.
So you still want to stick your head in the sand and ignore the quote I just posted?
From the same page I posted earlier:
In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions to make private business more accountable.
Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez aren't advocating for the same thing?
Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.
I would never vote for Bernie, if it was between Bernie and any other tolerable candidate. I would absolutely support Bernie over the KKK and Nazis though. However, actual socialists like AOC? No, giving them anything is a path to the destruction of a society. and I will fight with all my strength to stop them.
This is all a load of drivel and crap. I'm very curious to see how you try to spin your lack of research, basic knowledge of political platforms, and overall ignorance. Anyone who declares they would choose hate groups and mass murders over an opponent they obviously know very little about is a vile creature to me. Step out of your echo chamber and actually educate yourself, rather making such insensitive and misinformed comments.
