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ChokeFasncists wrote:I hope Trey is already working with him now.
Jamaaliver wrote:ChokeFasncists wrote:I hope Trey is already working with him now.
Trae mentioned before the draft that he had spoken to Nash multiple times by phone -- going over ways to prep for workouts and strategy for adapting to the NBA in general.Spoiler:
I'm really hopeful Stevie Nash makes an appearance for a day or two during training camp to meet and advise our young PG.
And I hope it becomes an annual visit.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
ChokeFasncists wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:I'm really hopeful Stevie Nash makes an appearance for a day or two during training camp to meet and advise our young PG.
And I hope it becomes an annual visit.
Talkin on the phone is great! But why not workout with him in the offseason?
In camp it's kinda a problem with Nash being hired by the Dubs.
It's really a great coincidence that the newly hired coach happens to have played with the player the newly drafted star most admires.
Jamaaliver wrote:ChokeFasncists wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:I'm really hopeful Stevie Nash makes an appearance for a day or two during training camp to meet and advise our young PG.
And I hope it becomes an annual visit.
Talkin on the phone is great! But why not workout with him in the offseason?
In camp it's kinda a problem with Nash being hired by the Dubs.
It's really a great coincidence that the newly hired coach happens to have played with the player the newly drafted star most admires.
Steve Nash is RJ Barrett's godfather.
If the basketball gods are kind, we'll end up with Lloyd Pierce (Nash's college teammate), Trae (an admitted Nash disciple) and RJ all on this Hawks franchise for the next decade with Nash becoming an official advisor to the team.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
ChokeFasncists wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Steve Nash is RJ Barrett's godfather.
If the basketball gods are kind, we'll end up with Lloyd Pierce (Nash's college teammate), Trae (an admitted Nash disciple) and RJ all on this Hawks franchise for the next decade with Nash becoming an official advisor to the team.
And Lin's got a lot of history with him.
Not so sure about RJ. It would mean TraeLin seriously bomb, Collins and Prince have a so-so year, especially if Baze isn't traded. But otherwise, not such a bad thing.
ESPN -- May 2018As Atlanta moves into a complete rebuild, Pierce's experience with the Philadelphia experiment and his strong background in player development have made a strong impression on Schlenk, league sources said.
Jamaaliver wrote:ChokeFasncists wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Steve Nash is RJ Barrett's godfather.
If the basketball gods are kind, we'll end up with Lloyd Pierce (Nash's college teammate), Trae (an admitted Nash disciple) and RJ all on this Hawks franchise for the next decade with Nash becoming an official advisor to the team.
And Lin's got a lot of history with him.
Not so sure about RJ. It would mean TraeLin seriously bomb, Collins and Prince have a so-so year, especially if Baze isn't traded. But otherwise, not such a bad thing.
You should be made aware...this team is tanking. We are not focused on winning games. We are investing in our future, focusing on developing players and tanking for a high draft pick. We'll likely dangle Bazemore and Dedmon in trade talks at some point.
Again. This is not even in question. Travis Schlenk wants at least one more shot at a top draft pick. We were the worst team in the East last year. Expect us to be among the worst in the conference at least one more season.
Jamaaliver wrote:ChokeFasncists wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Steve Nash is RJ Barrett's godfather.
If the basketball gods are kind, we'll end up with Lloyd Pierce (Nash's college teammate), Trae (an admitted Nash disciple) and RJ all on this Hawks franchise for the next decade with Nash becoming an official advisor to the team.
And Lin's got a lot of history with him.
Not so sure about RJ. It would mean TraeLin seriously bomb, Collins and Prince have a so-so year, especially if Baze isn't traded. But otherwise, not such a bad thing.
You should be made aware...this team is tanking. We are not focused on winning games. We are investing in our future, focusing on developing players and tanking for a high draft pick. We'll likely dangle Bazemore and Dedmon in trade talks at some point.
Again. This is not even in question. Travis Schlenk wants at least one more shot at a top draft pick. We were the worst team in the East last year. Expect us to be among the worst in the conference at least one more season.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
ChokeFasncists wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:
You should be made aware...this team is tanking.
Again. This is not even in question. Travis Schlenk wants at least one more shot at a top draft pick. We were the worst team in the East last year. Expect us to be among the worst in the conference at least one more season.
We shall see. With the new odds, I'm not sure if they want to do a Sixers type tank(again). Seems to me it's probably more sensible to do an in-between type to establish a good culture.
OTOH, if the three rookies turn out to be as good or better than the Warriors' one, why is it necessary to get another top pick?
It'd be interesting what happens, lets revisit this after the season...
But if we do get like a 5th pick, and get like an 8th pick from the Mavs and 12th pick from the Cavs, maybe trade up?
Jamaaliver wrote:ChokeFasncists wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:
You should be made aware...this team is tanking.
Again. This is not even in question. Travis Schlenk wants at least one more shot at a top draft pick. We were the worst team in the East last year. Expect us to be among the worst in the conference at least one more season.
We shall see. With the new odds, I'm not sure if they want to do a Sixers type tank(again). Seems to me it's probably more sensible to do an in-between type to establish a good culture.
OTOH, if the three rookies turn out to be as good or better than the Warriors' one, why is it necessary to get another top pick?
It'd be interesting what happens, lets revisit this after the season...
But if we do get like a 5th pick, and get like an 8th pick from the Mavs and 12th pick from the Cavs, maybe trade up?
) , you hope they're better than half as good though. At this stage of the rebuild, and yes, it's still a rebuild- we need as many top picks as possible regardless of the lottery odds.
jayu70 wrote:There is no 'if TraeLin' pans out, it's all about if 'TRAE' pans out whether we are winning or losing.
jayu70 wrote:2. Schlenk did say he wasn't interested in a Philly style tank a season ago but his actions so far says otherwise.
graymule wrote::(
Question: Who is that super star that the Hawks must draft next season? Another King
James waiting for us to get?
Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:There is no 'if TraeLin' pans out, it's all about if 'TRAE' pans out whether we are winning or losing.
This is the most important takeaway. Lin is here to be a steadying presence on the floor and in the locker room. Thinking that Jeremy Lin's success (or lack thereof) in one season here could alter our franchise's long term strategy and approach is...whoo.
(Can you imagine if Philly or Boston gets a shot at RJ Barrett because Jeremy Lin had a career year his one season in Atlanta?)jayu70 wrote:2. Schlenk did say he wasn't interested in a Philly style tank a season ago but his actions so far says otherwise.
Now between you and me. I kinda don't see what we're doing as 'Philly Style' tanking. I just view it as tanking.
76ers didn't invent the tank, they just took it to such an extreme that it required an intervention from the league offices and other owners.
Us taking two seasons to add talent through the draft is definitely a tank fest, but a much more palatable approach than spending half a decade at the bottom of the standings.
With all that said...I expect this season to be worse than last season. Like really bad.
We had a veteran coach and a veteran roster to start last season. This year...there's gonna be so much inexperience and immaturity.
Things could get really ugly.Spoiler:
jayu70 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:ChokeFasncists wrote:
We shall see. With the new odds, I'm not sure if they want to do a Sixers type tank(again). Seems to me it's probably more sensible to do an in-between type to establish a good culture.
OTOH, if the three rookies turn out to be as good or better than the Warriors' one, why is it necessary to get another top pick?
It'd be interesting what happens, lets revisit this after the season...
But if we do get like a 5th pick, and get like an 8th pick from the Mavs and 12th pick from the Cavs, maybe trade up?
My thoughts exactly.
1. An in-between gets us back on the treadmill real fast.
2. Schlenk did say he wasn't interested in a Philly style tank a season ago but his actions so far says otherwise.
3. If the three rookies turn out to be as good or better than the Warriors' one, - that's a pipe dream that won't happen in ONE season (if that happens I'll be back for my serving of crow and eat it happily
4. There is no 'if TraeLin' pans out, it's all about if 'TRAE' pans out wether we are winning or losing.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:There is no 'if TraeLin' pans out, it's all about if 'TRAE' pans out whether we are winning or losing.
This is the most important takeaway. Lin is here to be a steadying presence on the floor and in the locker room. Thinking that Jeremy Lin's success (or lack thereof) in one season here could alter our franchise's long term strategy and approach is...whoo.
(Can you imagine if Philly or Boston gets a shot at RJ Barrett because Jeremy Lin had a career year his one season in Atlanta?)
jayu70 wrote:2. Schlenk did say he wasn't interested in a Philly style tank a season ago but his actions so far says otherwise.
Now between you and me. I kinda don't see what we're doing as 'Philly Style' tanking. I just view it as tanking.
76ers didn't invent the tank, they just took it to such an extreme that it required an intervention from the league offices and other owners.
Us taking two seasons to add talent through the draft is definitely a tank fest, but a much more palatable approach than spending half a decade at the bottom of the standings.
With all that said...I expect this season to be worse than last season. Like really bad.
We had a veteran coach and a veteran roster to start last season (and started off 3-12). This year...there's gonna be so much inexperience and immaturity.
Things could get really ugly.Spoiler:
graymule wrote::(
Sadly, there is very little difference in where the Hawks draft. We believe there are three picks.
But, there might be a big difference if we win just a few more games. Too much losing and tanking
is not good. Question: Who is that super star that the Hawks must draft next season? Another King
James waiting for us to get?
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
The AthleticLloyd Pierce focusing on ’10-game clump’ with his young Hawks roster
The weeks have been long for Lloyd Pierce, because there is an itch that just can’t be scratched yet as he stands and watches the Hawks’ open gym practices. As he takes in the action as members of his newly formed team compete with one another, the itch gets stronger.
As he watches, he might see a busted defensive play or a what-the-heck-was-that type of shot go up. But for the time being, he can’t say anything … yet.
But that all changes Tuesday, when the Hawks’ training camp begins.
“I don’t have to watch open gym anymore,” Pierce said with a smile. “I get to actually correct some of the bad stuff they are doing and really get to teaching it the right way. (Right now) it’s still informal workouts. Next week, it’s formal.”
Pierce said the whistles from his coaching staff will be heard “a little louder and a little more often” when Tuesday finally does roll around for a training camp that he says will be exceptionally competitive.
Pierce said the “measuring stick” of success isn’t in wins — although wins would be nice. It’s in what he describes as the “10-game clump,” for that is how he plans to break down a season that could pose those growing pains for the Hawks.
FanSidedLloyd Pierce is ready to work in Atlanta
Defense has always been Lloyd Pierce’s point of focus. Everywhere Pierce has stopped in his 11-year NBA coaching career, a strong defensive identity has followed, and while that isn’t due to Pierce alone, he has developed a reputation has one of the sharpest defensive minds in the NBA.
In May, he signed on to be Atlanta’s head coach for the next three years (with a team option for 2022). Pierce, who endured The Process in Philadelphia, has plenty of time to impress his style upon a young, pliable team in the formative years of new era. Pierce, then, is a means of solidification on the defensive end. His system will be one rooted in defense and hard work, values instilled in him while playing for Dick Davey at Santa Clara. “It’s definitely going to be a working team,” Pierce said in an interview with NBA TV. “That’s who I am. That’s my DNA. That’s where it starts. I can control what our effort is.”
Atlanta will need every ounce of defensive effort and commitment it can muster to reach the heights to which Pierce is accustomed. Trae Young will likely top out as slightly below-average on that end, while Kevin Huerter doesn’t appear to have the defensive upside to completely mask Young’s deficiencies. Omari Spellman could prove too slow-footed to keep up with the evolution of the modern power forward. Pierce will bring keen defensive expertise to Atlanta, but the 76ers touted elite personnel that the Hawks clearly lack.
Expect the Hawks to play an active and physical defense with an emphasis on switching. “Your 6-foot-10 guys need to guard 6-foot-3 guys,” Pierce said at a recent press conference. “That’s where the game is going. It’s no longer accidental switches. We’re purposefully trying to switch 1 through 4 to avoid giving up 3s, which is a major point of emphasis offensively in the league.”
The early returns will be rough, as is typically the case with a young team learning a new defensive system. Most every major piece on Atlanta’s roster is an unfinished product, and the team’s ceiling depends almost entirely on the coaching staff’s ability to mold the team’s talent into a more complete and polished nucleus. Pierce must find a style that fits that talent, which, like his defense, may be rooted in pace and aggression.
