Political Roundtable Part XXII

[montestewart]

Well, at least it's "bankers" instead of "the Rothschilds." I guess that's progress of a sort.

[dckingsfan]

Isn't that the Trumpian way? When you don't know - make it up...

Bankers are evil, global warming is evil therefore bankers caused global warming

[dckingsfan]

Well, at least it's "bankers" instead of "the Rothschilds." I guess that's progress of a sort.

[GhostofChenier]

Well, at least it's "bankers" instead of "the Rothschilds." I guess that's progress of a sort.

You read none of my links. You just hear yourself.

Why I pretend to even debate more? U hear only you. I don’t vote in US I am not citizen.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/30/climate-change-hack-carbon-credit-black-dragon/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2015/10/01/cap-and-trade-green-climate-fund-are-fraught-with-fraud/#d61bac649405

Read this market manipulation and fraud is normal occurrence in 3rd world EU carbon commodity. Trillions of dollars worldwide scam Goldman and major corporation profit from severity of media report.

Do research, you are isolated in US, EU we see his in many neighbor countries. US and EU banks use are leaders and politics to defraud all in cap trade schemes. Of course they do. Or you ignore bank history to 3rd world.

Learn from history. Commodities, component build new index, build bubble......push until rich take all they can. Then poor people left with bill by tax and osterities.

[Pointgod]

I disagree if I read correctly. “Adopted by every single major government” is not true. “Forced upon every single major government” is more accurate by the threats to remove loans, and all environment related loan must be via IPCC dictated (controlled) bank.

Also for Wall St, cap trade system in environmental “theoretical” threats are easy to scam. This year in France and trial now over 500 billion was stolen by carbon loopholes.

More coming. I don’t believe science doctrine which are continually manipulated yet screamed as “fact”. Yes climate changes, but carbon portion not clear.

But clear enough for banks to trade hundreds of investment avenues and product.

So when you're not plagiarizing you're making things up. I'm sure you have some evidence to back up your claims.

[JWizmentality]

I disagree if I read correctly. “Adopted by every single major government” is not true. “Forced upon every single major government” is more accurate by the threats to remove loans, and all environment related loan must be via IPCC dictated (controlled) bank.

Also for Wall St, cap trade system in environmental “theoretical” threats are easy to scam. This year in France and trial now over 500 billion was stolen by carbon loopholes.

More coming. I don’t believe science doctrine which are continually manipulated yet screamed as “fact”. Yes climate changes, but carbon portion not clear.

But clear enough for banks to trade hundreds of investment avenues and product.

So when you're not plagiarizing you're making things up. I'm sure you have some evidence to back up your claims.

Ha!

[GhostofChenier]

I disagree if I read correctly. “Adopted by every single major government” is not true. “Forced upon every single major government” is more accurate by the threats to remove loans, and all environment related loan must be via IPCC dictated (controlled) bank.

Also for Wall St, cap trade system in environmental “theoretical” threats are easy to scam. This year in France and trial now over 500 billion was stolen by carbon loopholes.

More coming. I don’t believe science doctrine which are continually manipulated yet screamed as “fact”. Yes climate changes, but carbon portion not clear.

But clear enough for banks to trade hundreds of investment avenues and product.

So when you're not plagiarizing you're making things up. I'm sure you have some evidence to back up your claims.

https://m.france24.com/en/20180129-france-trial-carbon-credits-fraud-paris-crime-emissions-scam-melgrani-marseille

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/30/climate-change-hack-carbon-credit-black-dragon/

https://torontosun.com/2015/08/26/carbon-credit-fraud-no-laughing-matter/wcm/85c686b4-a862-4931-9282-61cf3d300f60

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/24/kyoto-protocols-carbon-credit-scheme-increased-emissions-by-600m-tonnes

Do research carbon cap trade is fraud. This is no hard it takes 2 minutes. You think banks are unaware? They are complicit like real estate loan. And they devised the scheme to begin.

I don’t doubt climate change, it always has. The “fix” in cap trade is simply a criminal enterprise with blind or involved banks and politician. But crime make people convenient blind.

[JWizmentality]

Yeah...Kavanaugh definitely tried to rape that girl. Way to go conservatives, you sure know how to pick em. Now you get to have two low life scum on the SC. But who am I kidding. You guys would vote for a pedophile.

[Pointgod]

Yeah...Kavanaugh definitely tried to rape that girl. Way to go conservatives, you sure know how to pick em. Now you get to have two low life scum on the SC. But who am I kidding. You guys would vote for a pedophile.

And he's going to get confirmed too. There's a reason Mitch McConnell didn't want to put this guy up for a vote. Mitch **** McConnell that would push through Satan himself for a supreme court seat.

[Wizardspride]

Read on Twitter

?s=19

[Pointgod]

I disagree if I read correctly. “Adopted by every single major government” is not true. “Forced upon every single major government” is more accurate by the threats to remove loans, and all environment related loan must be via IPCC dictated (controlled) bank.

Also for Wall St, cap trade system in environmental “theoretical” threats are easy to scam. This year in France and trial now over 500 billion was stolen by carbon loopholes.

More coming. I don’t believe science doctrine which are continually manipulated yet screamed as “fact”. Yes climate changes, but carbon portion not clear.

But clear enough for banks to trade hundreds of investment avenues and product.

So when you're not plagiarizing you're making things up. I'm sure you have some evidence to back up your claims.

https://m.france24.com/en/20180129-france-trial-carbon-credits-fraud-paris-crime-emissions-scam-melgrani-marseille

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/30/climate-change-hack-carbon-credit-black-dragon/

https://torontosun.com/2015/08/26/carbon-credit-fraud-no-laughing-matter/wcm/85c686b4-a862-4931-9282-61cf3d300f60

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/24/kyoto-protocols-carbon-credit-scheme-increased-emissions-by-600m-tonnes

Do research carbon cap trade is fraud. This is no hard it takes 2 minutes. You think banks are unaware? They are complicit like real estate loan. And they devised the scheme to begin.

I don’t doubt climate change, it always has. The “fix” in cap trade is simply a criminal enterprise with blind or involved banks and politician. But crime make people convenient blind.

Maybe you should do a better job reading the articles you post. There's nothing that supports your wild insane accusations that climate change is a scheme dreamed up by bankers.

Cap and trade is an imperfect solution that's susceptible to fraud, but that doesn't mean the whole system is some elaborate scam. Climate change is real and it will have an effect on everything from terrorism, drought, famine, wars etc. You're being played by Republicans and the 'globalist' oil companies that fund them.

[GhostofChenier]

So when you're not plagiarizing you're making things up. I'm sure you have some evidence to back up your claims.

https://m.france24.com/en/20180129-france-trial-carbon-credits-fraud-paris-crime-emissions-scam-melgrani-marseille

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/30/climate-change-hack-carbon-credit-black-dragon/

https://torontosun.com/2015/08/26/carbon-credit-fraud-no-laughing-matter/wcm/85c686b4-a862-4931-9282-61cf3d300f60

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/24/kyoto-protocols-carbon-credit-scheme-increased-emissions-by-600m-tonnes

Do research carbon cap trade is fraud. This is no hard it takes 2 minutes. You think banks are unaware? They are complicit like real estate loan. And they devised the scheme to begin.

I don’t doubt climate change, it always has. The “fix” in cap trade is simply a criminal enterprise with blind or involved banks and politician. But crime make people convenient blind.

Maybe you should do a better job reading the articles you post. There's nothing that supports your wild insane accusations that climate change is a scheme dreamed up by bankers.

Cap and trade is an imperfect solution that's susceptible to fraud, but that doesn't mean the whole system is some elaborate scam. Climate change is real and it will have an effect on everything from terrorism, drought, famine, wars etc. You're being played by Republicans and the 'globalist' oil companies that fund them.

I never say it was made by bank. Bank and companies exaggerate sulfur, carbon and other captrade for commodity instrument and product. Even full index.

Instead of just wait to say “you are wrong” attempt a debate of substance not American style “you are idiot” “you like trump” “you are Nazi” response.

True debate helps all. Dismissing without dbate is for content fools.

[Pointgod]

https://m.france24.com/en/20180129-france-trial-carbon-credits-fraud-paris-crime-emissions-scam-melgrani-marseille

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/30/climate-change-hack-carbon-credit-black-dragon/

https://torontosun.com/2015/08/26/carbon-credit-fraud-no-laughing-matter/wcm/85c686b4-a862-4931-9282-61cf3d300f60

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/24/kyoto-protocols-carbon-credit-scheme-increased-emissions-by-600m-tonnes

Do research carbon cap trade is fraud. This is no hard it takes 2 minutes. You think banks are unaware? They are complicit like real estate loan. And they devised the scheme to begin.

I don’t doubt climate change, it always has. The “fix” in cap trade is simply a criminal enterprise with blind or involved banks and politician. But crime make people convenient blind.

Maybe you should do a better job reading the articles you post. There's nothing that supports your wild insane accusations that climate change is a scheme dreamed up by bankers.

Cap and trade is an imperfect solution that's susceptible to fraud, but that doesn't mean the whole system is some elaborate scam. Climate change is real and it will have an effect on everything from terrorism, drought, famine, wars etc. You're being played by Republicans and the 'globalist' oil companies that fund them.

I never say it was made by bank. Bank and companies exaggerate sulfur, carbon and other captrade for commodity instrument and product. Even full index.

Instead of just wait to say “you are wrong” attempt a debate of substance not American style “you are idiot” “you like trump” “you are Nazi” response.

True debate helps all. Dismissing without dbate is for content fools.

If you're going to post nonsense conspiracy theories and conjecture then you deserve to be called an idiot. If you think Banks and the UN have convinced 93% of scientists to falsify studies you're delusional.

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/21/8533.full

The document here compares carbon to global accounting system and how to track and profit and loss by PNAS USA. This is globalist and only destroy borders and makes poor country slaves to large centrist banks. Better way is force China Indian to reduce pollutes by sanction and tariff.

This is why major banks dream of no borders and one currency. This is how they are trying. Enslave science to grants they fund and poverty nation to global banks and hope to build world currency backed by a shadowy UN created carbon algorithm.

[GhostofChenier]

Maybe you should do a better job reading the articles you post. There's nothing that supports your wild insane accusations that climate change is a scheme dreamed up by bankers.

Cap and trade is an imperfect solution that's susceptible to fraud, but that doesn't mean the whole system is some elaborate scam. Climate change is real and it will have an effect on everything from terrorism, drought, famine, wars etc. You're being played by Republicans and the 'globalist' oil companies that fund them.

I never say it was made by bank. Bank and companies exaggerate sulfur, carbon and other captrade for commodity instrument and product. Even full index.

Instead of just wait to say “you are wrong” attempt a debate of substance not American style “you are idiot” “you like trump” “you are Nazi” response.

True debate helps all. Dismissing without dbate is for content fools.

If you're going to post nonsense conspiracy theories and conjecture then you deserve to be called an idiot. If you think Banks and the UN have convinced 93% of scientists to falsify studies you're delusional.

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/21/8533.full

The document here compares carbon to global accounting system and how to track and profit and loss by PNAS USA. This is globalist and only destroy borders and makes poor country slaves to large centrist banks. Better way is force China Indian to reduce pollutes by sanction and tariff.

This is why major banks dream of no borders and one currency. This is how they are trying. Enslave science to grants they fund and poverty nation to global banks and hope to build world currency backed by a shadowy UN created carbon algorithm.

You do not read well, I do not claim scientist are to blame just naive to funding mechanism and ulterior reason for funding the research. Do you claim banks have not made endless carbon and climate product finance vehicles?

Carbon credit? Trade through bank own market desks? You are being naive.

https://www.banktrack.org/campaign/banks_and_carbon_trading

Billions in unneeded hidroelectric plants in 3rd world are underwrote by Goldman alone while China India stay with coal. IPCC pays country then Goldman receive funds at high rate. This is required under IPCC contract for low pollutant nations. Why? Force infrastructure for “future” (after we are dead and industry change anyways)

Also REDD scheme. Low carbon index passive investment. Low carbon pension fund etc etc. why did Goldman fund al gore movies? Does this bot help the above index and fund?

50 billion hedge fund founded by Goldman and Gore, GIM. You don’t look at money, just propaganda. You are consumer of the grand lie built around a small/unavoidable truth in ur 401k Ira, savings acct, brokerge etc etc. Welcome to tbis wall st.

2025? Clean Hydrogen index ataking ammonia and nitrate. Then repeat.

[Wizardspride]

Read on Twitter

?s=19

[GhostofChenier]

The number just 5 years late global is 35 trillion. Money from real problem, yet exaggerated by Wall St to make more investment.

UN is even now team with Wall St & FTSE for "responsible invest" to give guideline to mutual fund for must include green company. Brilliant propaganda hype for problem that first was 15 yr problem now 100-120 yr problem. They fish for topic puppets believe.

CDP's next propaganda is "limited clean water". Nitrate and ammonia. This is next plan. All visible website, CDP member major funds and bank members. Corporates are members by default via govt and UN decree. 5500 companies control 85 trillion under CDP. and CDP is fake NPO which control PR for UN govt and investment banking industry.

[pancakes3]

you can't complain about living in a borderless, bank-controlled world while at the same time insisting that you be given loans funded through borderless, bank-controlled means.

belarus as a government can choose to ignore the emissions guidelines and belarusian companies can be free to build coal plants with belarusian-sourced money.

i empathize with your frustration, especially with the cap-and-trade system, but i also fail to see what argument you're trying to assert other than "give us money so we can pollute bc there are other nations that pollute way more than us anyway" which comes off as childish.

[GhostofChenier]

you can't complain about living in a borderless, bank-controlled world while at the same time insisting that you be given loans funded through borderless, bank-controlled means.

belarus as a government can choose to ignore the emissions guidelines and belarusian companies can be free to build coal plants with belarusian-sourced money.

i empathize with your frustration, especially with the cap-and-trade system, but i also fail to see what argument you're trying to assert other than "give us money so we can pollute bc there are other nations that pollute way more than us anyway" which comes off as childish.

I don't want the loan. Belarus doesn't want the loan. IPCC force loan to create environment panel as agreement to work with world bank and IMF and UN or be cast off and isolated by sancation. Also condition to maybe join EU in 2030.

I understand real world, but most believe "green" is a nobilistic thing. It is power and new market being created for 100 year investment by government and banks. This time they make sure 3rd world cooperate by gangster tactic. EU forced building of 6 green energy labs in Belarus, which also force 100 million in loan to complete (Belarus is corrupt politician cooperate). When some Belarus opposite government questioned this, we had sanctions for media control. When we agree 100% to loan, sanctions go away and we receive EU milk. baby food and other product again.

Now we are tied for next 100 years to foreign supply of expensive energy. Before we controlled ourselves cheap with coal and oil. It is join Russia and Gazprom or maybe join EU. Specifics common man and 3rd world politics don't understand or too corrupt. Gazprom was better deal. Shakedown gangster tactics.

Now EU wants Belarus to hous eall chechen and kazahk refugee to be aligned with EU. Mafia tactic. We are EU and global border guinea pig.

[closg00]

Yeah...Kavanaugh definitely tried to rape that girl. Way to go conservatives, you sure know how to pick em. Now you get to have two low life scum on the SC. But who am I kidding. You guys would vote for a pedophile.

And he's going to get confirmed too. There's a reason Mitch McConnell didn't want to put this guy up for a vote. Mitch **** McConnell that would push through Satan himself for a supreme court seat.

If I were a Senator I would definitely vote against Kavanaugh, he is a liar and a partisan political activist. However, this attempted rape charge from HS appears to be a stupid HS event. I believe the woman's account, he was drunk off his ass and tried to "make a move" probably in his mind, and he frightened this poor young woman. If there are similar charges out-there against him, the nomination should be withdrawn.

[Pointgod]

you can't complain about living in a borderless, bank-controlled world while at the same time insisting that you be given loans funded through borderless, bank-controlled means.

belarus as a government can choose to ignore the emissions guidelines and belarusian companies can be free to build coal plants with belarusian-sourced money.

i empathize with your frustration, especially with the cap-and-trade system, but i also fail to see what argument you're trying to assert other than "give us money so we can pollute bc there are other nations that pollute way more than us anyway" which comes off as childish.

I don't want the loan. Belarus doesn't want the loan. IPCC force loan to create environment panel as agreement to work with world bank and IMF and UN or be cast off and isolated by sancation. Also condition to maybe join EU in 2030.

I understand real world, but most believe "green" is a nobilistic thing. It is power and new market being created for 100 year investment by government and banks. This time they make sure 3rd world cooperate by gangster tactic. EU forced building of 6 green energy labs in Belarus, which also force 100 million in loan to complete (Belarus is corrupt politician cooperate). When some Belarus opposite government questioned this, we had sanctions for media control. When we agree 100% to loan, sanctions go away and we receive EU milk. baby food and other product again.

Now we are tied for next 100 years to foreign supply of expensive energy. Before we controlled ourselves cheap with coal and oil. It is join Russia and Gazprom or maybe join EU. Specifics common man and 3rd world politics don't understand or too corrupt. Gazprom was better deal. Shakedown gangster tactics.

Now EU wants Belarus to hous eall chechen and kazahk refugee to be aligned with EU. Mafia tactic. We are EU and global border guinea pig.

Maybe you don't want the loan but here's how things work. Your government takes the loan and the entity granting it has every right to tie conditions to the loan. One of those conditions should be the emphasis on clean energy. At this point in time it is **** stupid for developing countries not to take pollution seriously because they will be the ones feeling the effects. There's a reason that the U.S. is the only country that left the Paris Accords and that is simply because Donald Trump is a **** brain dead useless leader. If things were that bad you would have more countries leaving.

Yes cap and trade is a free market solution to climate change. The other option is to legislate through regulation but then I'm sure you'd start talking about socialism which of course you hate. Doing nothing is not an option because the time to start taking the environment seriously is not 30 years from now when things have gone to hell. It's not a conspiracy that there are record temperatures or droughts or the worst hurricanes in the history of the earth. These things will keep happening more frequently and it will take every country to do their part. If you're dissatisfied with your current government you're always welcome to run for office.