Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0

[aminiaturebuddha]

Decent first half for Canada, leading 43-30.

Joel Anthony hasn't looked like a corpse! So we've got that going for us. Except that he and the team in general are giving up way too many rebounds. Some of them were just bad bounces, but Chile had 7 offensive rebounds that half. That's too many.

Still, some of the newcomers, like Justin Jackson and Trae Bell-Haynes are looking good. And the team defence overall is looking good. If they can keep the pressure on for the second half, they should be able to come away with a victory.

[TheFutureMM]

Decent first half for Canada, leading 43-30.

Joel Anthony hasn't looked like a corpse! So we've got that going for us. Except that he and the team in general are giving up way too many rebounds. Some of them were just bad bounces, but Chile had 7 offensive rebounds that half. That's too many.

Still, some of the newcomers, like Justin Jackson and Trae Bell-Haynes are looking good. And the team defence overall is looking good. If they can keep the pressure on for the second half, they should be able to come away with a victory.

Wanted to thank you for the write-up. Came in here about to ask for a first half recap.

Just turned it on - hoping the boys can clutch it out from here on in.

[TheFutureMM]

OK so the 3rd quarter was awesome. Chile got it down to 6 but Canada managed to rally hard.

Joel Anthony with at least 9 points in 4 different ways (a legit alley-oop, an AND1, a pick and roll finish, and a tip-in).

Kaza Keane with some great defense on Chile's lead guard. He was causing us problems and Keane managed to lock him down on 3 different possessions.

[GoRaptors]

Uruguay beating Mexico is likely beneficial for Canada in terms of tiebreakers ( in case of fourth place finisher in group) as Uruguay has a more difficult schedule than Mexico going forward.

[slothrop8]

Aaron Best played well over these two games - made a couple big plays today when Chile got close in the 3rd Q. Nice effort by all the guys that went down there - this was a big win to get and we definitely should appreciate the guys that went and got it. The flight down evidently included a trip backward through time because Joel Anthony looked 10 years younger out there tonight.

[Cross-over]

Was a good game and I liked what I saw from Keane and Notice

[BilboBanginz]

Read on Twitter

[SharoneWright]

would LOVE any highlights or recaps. cant believe I missed it....

[TrueNorth31]

Nice win for the lads - it's never easy on the road.

I appreciate how these guys stand up for their country. I'm especially happy for a guy like Joel Anthony who somewhat unfairly gets a rough ride from some fans. He's a fellow whose made $ 24 million in his career, so obviously he's not doing this for financial reasons, but rather it seems he just wants to be with the guys and play for his country.

I also thought Duane Notice was very solid - defended well , 7 assists and got into it. Jackson had flashes, but sure looks like someone who has hardly played in a year ( If he's in the D-League he should be available for the winter windows).

Also Rowan Barrett should be congratulated, they decided to go with a hybrid approach mixing NBA guys with our depth players, instead of a going with a permanent group of athletes and so far it's worked.

[TrueNorth31]

Aaron Best played well over these two games - made a couple big plays today when Chile got close in the 3rd Q. Nice effort by all the guys that went down there - this was a big win to get and we definitely should appreciate the guys that went and got it. The flight down evidently included a trip backward through time because Joel Anthony looked 10 years younger out there tonight.

Good one Slothrop, it was almost like an episode of Lost the way Joel played. Here's the box score;

http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/americas-qualifiers/game/1609/Chile-Canada#tab=boxscore

[Mattd97]

Any gamblers out there?

this still has Canada -32.5 - maybe they didnt get the word about the NBA players yet.
https://www.winmasters.ro/en/sports/basketball/fiba-world-cup-qualifiers/20180917/chile-vs-canada/

i owe you one mojo

[TrueNorth31]

Montage of Anthony's game;

Read on Twitter

[TheFutureMM]

Montage of Anthony's game;

Read on Twitter

I actually audibly gasped when Joel dunked lol. No way in hell did I think I would ever see that in game again.

[mojo13]

Ya - I owe Joel Anthony an apology for calling him a corpse. He was pretty good out there. Perhaps when We last saw him get big minutes in the November window he was coming off injury and/or woefully out of shape. He honestly was blocked by the rim a couple times in November.

He played this last year in Argentina. Dropping down (many levels) likely gave him a big minute role and seemly got him back into fairly good game shape.

Great game!



Seems like one more game should lock this up. I am having a hard time finding a scenario where we don’t qualify at 8-4.

[GoRaptors]

[quote="mojo13"]Ya - I owe Joel Anthony an apology for calling him a corpse. He was pretty good out there. Perhaps when We last saw him get big minutes in the November window he was coming off injury and/or woefully out of shape. He honestly was blocked by the rim a couple times in November.

He played this last year in Argentina. Dropping down (many levels) likely gave him a big minute role and seemly got him back into fairly good game shape.

Great game!



Seems like one more game should lock this up. I am having a hard time finding a scenario where we don’t qualify at 8-4.[/quote

The following I believe are ways that Canada does not quality at 8-4

Canada's remaining games are Venezuela, Brazil, Chile and Venezuela

Assume the one win is against Chile

Note Virgin Islands and Chile can not get to 8 wins with 4 games remaining

Dominican Republic 5-3 must win all of their remaining games to have a record of 9-3 They need to win all four remaining games (against Brazil, Chile, Venezuela and Brazil) as they lose a tiebreaker with Canada based on point differential based on games played between the two teams.

Venezuela 7-1 would only need to beat Canada twice to have a better than Canada (Venezuela plays Canada, Virgin Islands ,Dominican Republic and Canada). It would not matter the outcome of the game against Virgin Islands.

Brazil 6-2 plays Dominican Republic , Canada, Virgin Islands and Dominican Republic. Brazil would need to beat Virgin Islands and Canada That would move Brazil to 8-4 and tied with Canada, The victory against Canada should be larger than 8 to ensure Brazil gets the the tiebreaker (Canada beat Brazil a few days ago 85-77)

This scenario puts Canada in fourth place
Canada would then have to see if it has a better record than the fourth place finisher from Group E

Note in Group E Mexico and Panama, both at 3-5 can not get to 8 wins with only 4 games remaining.

USA is 7-1 and plays Argentina, Uruguay, Panama and Argentina
Argentina 7-1 plays USA, Mexico, Puerto Rico and USA
Puerto Rico 5-3 Uruguay, Panama, Argentina and Uruguay
Uruguay 5-3 plays Puerto Rico, USA, Mexico and Puerto Rico

For starters if both Puerto Rico and Uruguay need to get 8 wins they must split their two games against each other and win all of their other games (Especially difficult is that Puerto Rico must beat Argentina and Uruguay must beat USA)

As they would be tied with Canada in terms of wins at 8 The 4th place finisher in that group likely Puerto Rico or Uruguay would need a better point differential than Canada Canada currently has a point differential of +189, Puerto Rico is +24 and Uruguay is -64

Basically Canada would have to lose against Venezuela, Brazil and Venezuela by extremely lopsided scores / The fourth place finisher between Puerto Rico and Uruguay would have to have an extremely big net margin of victory in order for Canada to lose this tiebreaker

It might also be possible that Argentina end up the 4th place team in group E. Argentina would need to lose twice against USA and once against Puerto but beat Panama. Based on a three way tie with Argentina, Puerto Rico and Uruguay each team could be 2-2. (Argentina split with Uruguay already). Argentina just beat Puerto Rico but Argentina would have to lose next February to Puerto Rico. Once again Puerto Rico and Uruguay will have to split the two games against each each other and each win their remaining two games. Based on point differential in those games among themselves Argentina could be the team in 4th and have to beat Canada in terms of overall point differential. Argentina currently has a point differential of +154 but could still end up with a better point differential than Canada especially if Argentina blows out Mexico.

USA can not win 8 games and end of 4th overall. Even If USA loses twice against Argentina (once against Uruguay but beats Panama) then USA will still have the the tiebreaker over Puerto Rico and Uruguay with three wins (two against Puerto Rico and one against Uruguay. Uruguay would have two wins by splitting their games with USA and Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico would only have one win.

Even if the USA splits against Argentina and Argentina, USA, Puerto Rico and Uruguay all end up in a 4 way tie at 8-4, the USA will have a 4-2 record in games against those teams and will not be in fourth place. Puerto Rico would be in last place at 2-4.

[GoRaptors]

A few more scenarios for Canada to finish 4th in group F

3 way tie at 8-4

Dominican Republic (5-3) could split against Brazil and beat Chile and Venezuela to have a record of 8-4
Brazil (6-2) could split against Dominican Republic, beat Canada and lose to Virgin Islands to have a record of 8-4
Canada (7-1) would beat Chile but lose twice to Venezuela and once to Brazil and have a record of 8-4

Canada, Brazil and Dominican Republic would each be 2-2 in games against each other
It would then come down to point differential in those games between those teams to decide who gets 4th place

Another 3 way tie at 8-4

Dominican Republic (5-3) could also split against Brazil and beat Chile and Venezuela to have a record of 8-4
(Brazil (6-2) could split against Dominican Republic, beat Canada and beat Virgin Islands to have a record of 9-3)
Venezuela (7-1) would split against Canada and lose to Virgin Islands and Dominican Republic to have a record of 8-4
Canada (7-1) would split against Venezuela and lose against Brazil and Chile to have a record of 8-4

Dominican Republic, Canada and Venezuela would each be 8-4 overall and be 2-2 in games against each other
It would then come down to point differential in those games between those teams to decide who gets 4th place


4 way tie at 8-4

Dominican Republic (5-3) could also split against Brazil and beat Chile and Venezuela to have a record of 8-4
Brazil (6-2) could split against Dominican Republic, beat Canada and lose to Virgin Islands to have a record of 8-4
Venezuela (7-1) would split against Canada and lose to Virgin Islands and Dominican Republic to have a record of 8-4
Canada (7-1) would split against Venezuela and lose against Brazil and Chile to have a record of 8-4

All four teams will have identical 3-3 records against each other as they will all have split games against each other.
It would then come down to point differential in those games to decide who gets 4th place

Here is the complete set of tie breakers
What happens if teams are tied (classification in the same group)?
- Win Loss
- Goal difference of games between teams concerned
- Higher number of goals in the games between them
- Higher goal difference in all games of the group
- Higher number of goals in all games in the group
- Draw

[agkagk]

Greetings all, I have a question....

Obviously Canadian basketball is at a real pinnacle in terms of player development, that being said it’s a bit disappointing to see us never, not even once, field our best team.

That being said, assuming every country in the worlds roster is completely healthy and without hold outs, where would Canada rank in comparison to everyone else?

Top 5? Top 10? And who’s definitively better.

[TrueNorth31]

Thanks for all the hard work GoRaptors. I agree it looks promising , but I still worry about collusion to a degree between the Latin American countries. They don't particularly like each other, but they all hate and fear us even more. Also I'm concerned how the quasi - eliminated teams react, do they send high school players? We still need to try to get 2 wins ( or the point differential against Brazil). If we'd lost to Brazil or Chile, boy we'd be in tough.

Here's Doug Smith's game review;

https://www.thestar.com/sports/basketball/2018/09/17/makeshift-canadian-lineup-thumps-chile-in-fiba-world-cup-qualifying.html

[WellYouKnow]

Greetings all, I have a question....

Obviously Canadian basketball is at a real pinnacle in terms of player development, that being said it’s a bit disappointing to see us never, not even once, field our best team.

That being said, assuming every country in the worlds roster is completely healthy and without hold outs, where would Canada rank in comparison to everyone else?

Top 5? Top 10? And who’s definitively better.

Talent and depth wise, I'd be hard pressed to come up with anybody outside of the US that's ahead of us.

Once you factor in FIBA rules and experience in that setting, you could reasonably come up with teams that you might like more than us in a 1 game scenario.

[TrueNorth31]

Greetings all, I have a question....

Obviously Canadian basketball is at a real pinnacle in terms of player development, that being said it’s a bit disappointing to see us never, not even once, field our best team.

That being said, assuming every country in the worlds roster is completely healthy and without hold outs, where would Canada rank in comparison to everyone else?

Top 5? Top 10? And who’s definitively better.

I think that's an excellent question agkagk. Here's a list of foreign NBA players.

http://pr.nba.com/nba-international-players-2017-18/

It's a hard question to answer as many European teams have very good Euroleague level players as well, and have the advantage of playing together much more often.

I'd have us if we had a good turn out in a group that includes in no particular order ( behind the Americans)


- France
- Serbia
- Australia
- Lithuania

I think Spain is trending downwards. The Greeks are good enough to be in the top group with the Freak if all breaks well.

The thing Canada doesn't have ( besides lots of experience playing together) - is an impact star. Lot's of solid players, but no Goat. Some people believe Rowan Barrett could be that guy eventually.