GT - Queens at Lambeau - Noon - Fox

[H2tObes]

If "X team is maybe worse than expected" and "Y team is maybe better than expected" count as riveting story lines then let the NBA season play out for a few weeks and I'll give you a way better list.

[RRyder823]

If "X team is maybe worse than expected" and "Y team is maybe better than expected" count as riveting story lines then like I said let the NBA season play out for a few weeks and I'll give you a way better list.

The sad part is you probably wont even be able to do that. The top and bottom teams in the NBA are probably easier to predict then any other sport. Right now today you could realistically predict at least 14 or the 16 PO teams AND call out their seeding for at least half those and call out the remaining ones within a point of their final seeding

Unless you got Boston or Houston looking like a lottery team early in the season or the Bulls looking like a legit contender then it isnt going to be comparable

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[sdn40]

Not to mention, the last time I checked, the NFL doesn't try to fix playoff games or the draft (when it was relevant). That's always reassuring

[RRyder823]

I'm mostly shocked anyone would argue that the NBA regular season is littered with storylines. Most NBA players dont even really care about the regular season

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[H2tObes]

I'm mostly shocked anyone would argue that the NBA regular season is littered with storylines. Most NBA players dont even really care about the regular season

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Moving the goalpost to regular season now I see...

Don't think we are changing each others minds here, but I will totally be down to compile a list of NBA story lines once the season gets going. Hopefully I can remember this convo when that rolls around

[RRyder823]

I'm mostly shocked anyone would argue that the NBA regular season is littered with storylines. Most NBA players dont even really care about the regular season

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Moving the goalpost to regular season now I see...

Don't think we are changing each others minds here, but I will totally be down to compile a list of NBA story lines once the season gets going. Hopefully I can remember this convo when that rolls around

Moving the goalpost how? You're the one who said the NBA season. Did you not mean that? Honest question.

If you meant POs then it mostly a matter of whether you prefer one n done or best of 7

But I do welcome the topic again if you or i remember

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[thomchatt3rton]

I'm sure everything I'm about to bring up here has been talked about on message boards everywhere since the game but this is my first time on a forum since the tie. Granted I only watched the game in real time, didn't see any high or lowlights, and haven't gone back to see if my eyes were deceiving me, but here we go.

The Bad: The officiating was awful and one-sided. The Clay roughing call was obviously terrible, and ended up costing us the W, but I thought there were other equally egregious blunders by the officials. The holding call on the Jimmy Graham TD was absolute garbage, taking a TD off the board. The ticky tac offensive PI call on Adams, immediately after missing an obvious defensive PI where Jimmy Graham didn't have arms to make an attempt on the ball because the Vikings DB was early, was comically bad. Thats four piss poor, one-sided calls that directly affected the outcome of the game.

The Good: I thought Rodgers looked great. Even though the Vikings compiled a bunch of yards, and a couple big plays, I thought the defense was good. Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen are marquee receivers. Sometimes you have to tip your cap. But the D played the run well and got a good amount of pressure on Cousins. An interception was stolen from Jaire Alexander. JK Scott was excellent. Geronimo Allison is such an asset. Made some great catches and had the individual effort on that punt block TD was incredible.

McCarthy: I don't mind throwing and putting the game away, in fact I prefer it. But I hate when he goes empty backfield in "obvious" run situations. That allows the defense to pin their ears back and get after a gimpy Rodgers. Why not keep the "threat" of the run, not to mention an extra blocker, with either Jamal or Ty in the backfield?

Couple of responses for you:

The refs were terrible and basically it was entirely at our expense. Hard to recall a game with so many bad calls/non-calls at the worst possible times: 1 TD for sure, 1 TD probably, and a game-winning INT, all negated by bad calls. And that's not mentioning all the other bad calls that didn't directly cost a TD, but killed a drive or kept a MIN drive alive, etc.

That said, on offense, GB did not execute at their normal high level- drops, miscues, bumbling etc. GB executes at their normal level and we make enough plays to win that game and the reffing doesn't matter. We had our chances.

I was initially going to disagree with you that Rodgers looked "great", but upon reflection, I agree- for a guy with one leg, he WAS pretty damn great. I thought he looked a bit confused early on by their coverages and he looked really hesitant and unsure. He wasn't as accurate as he usually is too, but I'm sure the knee affects that a lot.

I don't agree the D played well. They played well for like 2 1/2 quarters, after that it was lights out. Idk if MIN figured something out or what. I suspect that that's just the hallmark of D without a lot of talent- can hold on for a while, but not for 4 quarters.

We're seeing a lot of the same stuff on D- giving up too many 3rd down conversions, wide-open receivers, pressure doesn't get there in time, etc. I'd love to just tip my cap to great receivers, but we've seen this too much.

But I thought I detected SOME signs of new life under Pettine- maybe we'll see some small improvement over the season but you have to think with our personnel, the ceiling is pretty low. I guess Pettine will earn his pay this year by how quickly young guys get developed and things like that. We might not see much improvement on the field.

Regarding MM, do you mean how they go empty backfield in obvious pass situations? If not, help me make sense out of your comment.. But if so, I think the answer is that they prefer the benefits of having that extra receiver to the benefits of having the threat of a run. I could see that.

I do agree in general they could be much better at mixing run and pass in a way that's deceptive and where the two feed off and set each other up. They seem to go through stretches where they run the ball, then that ends and they go into a (much longer) stretch where almost all they do is pass. You'd think a more even distribution would be helpful.

[thomchatt3rton]

I'm mostly shocked anyone would argue that the NBA regular season is littered with storylines. Most NBA players dont even really care about the regular season

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Eh, if you're crazy about basketball, you find plenty to interest you. Then everything's a storyline!

[BUCKnation]

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The play some were referencing earlier in the thread about Brady getting hit

[bizarro]

Top to bottom, front to back, beginning to end, draft to playoffs, FA to cap, commissioner to janitor, the NFL is superior. Can't think of one thing that the NBA is better at.

NBA Free Agency and the trade deadline is far superior. The NFL simply doesn't allow for player movement amongst its best players the way the NBA does. The NBA is also world's better at showing off the personalities of its players. Aaron Donald is the best defensive player in the league, and you couldn't pick him off the street. Adam Silver is a forward thinking commissioner who works with the players and is pushing for gambling. The NBA also doesn't have a crisis on its hands with regards to the rules.

Being able to keep your best players is a good thing. Just ask Utah fans, Cleveland fans and Bucks fans after Giannis bolts. Forward thinking Silver and company ruined the NBA draft by making 10 year olds eligible, rendering it useless. NFL players wear helmets. It's kind of a safety thing. Hard to get cleat contracts. Yeah superteams are great .... NOT. The NBA is dead man walking, just a matter of time. Two or three relevant teams every year. Fans hate that. NBA players deciding who the best teams will be based on beaches and bitches is really great for the sport ..... NOT. Front offices should decide who the best teams are, not the players. Which superstar is coming to Milwaukee on a discount to form a superteam ? Nobody. Chances to win a banner because of this ? Zero. Awesome "sport"

You're out of your element Donny.

Let's start with this simply fact: basketball is and will always be a more beautiful game played by much better athletes. Believe me, when I was a college DI goalkeeper at the best soccer school in the nation I didn't look to football players (beyond CB's and WR's) for inspiration. I looked at basketball players. Period. Secondly, outside of debatable charge/block calls I know definitively what rules are and how they will typically be called by an NBA official. Yeah, some games ticky tacky **** is called unlike other games BUT damned if you're going to tell me an NFL official or the NFL entity as a whole has a **** clue what they're doing and damned if you can tell me a single fan knows what will be called a catch, what is a legal hit, how and who will call it at what part of the game. This is patent bull if you think otherwise and it makes the game a farce. A comedy of itself. These rule changes are pathetic and the game has suffered immensely - it's borderline unwatchable for major stretches and the most important stretches. This is NOT the same game I loved watching in the 90's or leading into the 2010 Super Bowl run. So, aesthetically, and principally: basketball is a game that is crisp with clear rules and easy to understand game of play and easy to understand styles of play. Football is a mess. New officials can't keep track of these drastic changes on the regular. NBA is going to die?!? Which sport is facing drastic declines in youth participation at every level of the sport: it sure as hell isn't basketball. Then, let's not even mention the concussion issues the NFL hid for DECADES and lied about for DECADES that led to these perverse changes in the first place. That's not a story whatsoever. Then, let's also laud the bigotry of the League while kneeling during the national anthem - which also spoke to the bigotry of the large percentage of its fanbase. This is and will always be disgusting. The NBA is so much more forward thinking in the social realm - actually empowering its players to have a voice and to speak out on important issues. Yes, this means something to me. The NBA integrates women in extremely important roles. They have a global fanbase. They have a global player pool. I mean, top to bottom. Your views are limited, my friend. And, frankly, I don't care one iota about superteams. I like good basketball. Period. But, whatever. My case is closed on this issue and you won't change my mind. Agree. To. Disagree.

[bizarro]

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The play some were referencing earlier in the thread about Brady getting hit

To my point: nobody knows what a legal tackle on a qb is. Period. One ref claims one thing. The League sends the videos across the League. What about this one? Crickets. Worse tackle than Clay's. Period.

[rilamann]

Consistency and accountability are painfully lacking right now when it comes to NFL officiating.

[thomchatt3rton]

Let's start with this simply fact: basketball is and will always be a more beautiful game...

Idk, I feel like it's best to start with statements of subjective opinion personally.

Agree to disagree, I guess?

Spoiler:

:D

[MAC1987]

NBA Free Agency and the trade deadline is far superior. The NFL simply doesn't allow for player movement amongst its best players the way the NBA does. The NBA is also world's better at showing off the personalities of its players. Aaron Donald is the best defensive player in the league, and you couldn't pick him off the street. Adam Silver is a forward thinking commissioner who works with the players and is pushing for gambling. The NBA also doesn't have a crisis on its hands with regards to the rules.

Being able to keep your best players is a good thing. Just ask Utah fans, Cleveland fans and Bucks fans after Giannis bolts. Forward thinking Silver and company ruined the NBA draft by making 10 year olds eligible, rendering it useless. NFL players wear helmets. It's kind of a safety thing. Hard to get cleat contracts. Yeah superteams are great .... NOT. The NBA is dead man walking, just a matter of time. Two or three relevant teams every year. Fans hate that. NBA players deciding who the best teams will be based on beaches and bitches is really great for the sport ..... NOT. Front offices should decide who the best teams are, not the players. Which superstar is coming to Milwaukee on a discount to form a superteam ? Nobody. Chances to win a banner because of this ? Zero. Awesome "sport"

You're out of your element Donny.

Let's start with this simply fact: basketball is and will always be a more beautiful game played by much better athletes. Believe me, when I was a college DI goalkeeper at the best soccer school in the nation I didn't look to football players (beyond CB's and WR's) for inspiration. I looked at basketball players. Period. Secondly, outside of debatable charge/block calls I know definitively what rules are and how they will typically be called by an NBA official. Yeah, some games ticky tacky **** is called unlike other games BUT damned if you're going to tell me an NFL official or the NFL entity as a whole has a **** clue what they're doing and damned if you can tell me a single fan knows what will be called a catch, what is a legal hit, how and who will call it at what part of the game. This is patent bull if you think otherwise and it makes the game a farce. A comedy of itself. These rule changes are pathetic and the game has suffered immensely - it's borderline unwatchable for major stretches and the most important stretches. This is NOT the same game I loved watching in the 90's or leading into the 2010 Super Bowl run. So, aesthetically, and principally: basketball is a game that is crisp with clear rules and easy to understand game of play and easy to understand styles of play. Football is a mess. New officials can't keep track of these drastic changes on the regular. NBA is going to die?!? Which sport is facing drastic declines in youth participation at every level of the sport: it sure as hell isn't basketball. Then, let's not even mention the concussion issues the NFL hid for DECADES and lied about for DECADES that led to these perverse changes in the first place. That's not a story whatsoever. Then, let's also laud the bigotry of the League while kneeling during the national anthem - which also spoke to the bigotry of the large percentage of its fanbase. This is and will always be disgusting. The NBA is so much more forward thinking in the social realm - actually empowering its players to have a voice and to speak out on important issues. Yes, this means something to me. The NBA integrates women in extremely important roles. They have a global fanbase. They have a global player pool. I mean, top to bottom. Your views are limited, my friend. And, frankly, I don't care one iota about superteams. I like good basketball. Period. But, whatever. My case is closed on this issue and you won't change my mind. Agree. To. Disagree.

You lost me when trying to compare football (with the exception of WRs/CBs) and basketball players athleticism. 2 completely different athletes that need to prepare in completely different ways.

I mean it makes sense as a soccer guy that you're not going to go looking for 300 lb lineman, 260 lb TEs, QBs who's job is to use their brain and arm, or 220-250 lb RBs/LBs. Even though many of the RBs/LBs/TEs/Safeties are in pretty good shape themselves (stamina). They're much stronger and for good reason. Football vs basketball.

The rules of NFL are bad. We all know that. Doesn't mean the previous post is out of his element. He was actually spot on. I can't refute a thing he said.

Getting women involved is probably easier on the basketball side because women have a league of their own?

[ACGB]

The worse thing to happen was the Vikings having a similar penalty earlier in the game. From now until the end of time if you mention that the Matthews penalty was BS there will be a Viking fan to pop out of the shadows and yell VERY BAD CALLS BOTH SIDES. SAD!

[sdn40]

NBA Free Agency and the trade deadline is far superior. The NFL simply doesn't allow for player movement amongst its best players the way the NBA does. The NBA is also world's better at showing off the personalities of its players. Aaron Donald is the best defensive player in the league, and you couldn't pick him off the street. Adam Silver is a forward thinking commissioner who works with the players and is pushing for gambling. The NBA also doesn't have a crisis on its hands with regards to the rules.

Being able to keep your best players is a good thing. Just ask Utah fans, Cleveland fans and Bucks fans after Giannis bolts. Forward thinking Silver and company ruined the NBA draft by making 10 year olds eligible, rendering it useless. NFL players wear helmets. It's kind of a safety thing. Hard to get cleat contracts. Yeah superteams are great .... NOT. The NBA is dead man walking, just a matter of time. Two or three relevant teams every year. Fans hate that. NBA players deciding who the best teams will be based on beaches and bitches is really great for the sport ..... NOT. Front offices should decide who the best teams are, not the players. Which superstar is coming to Milwaukee on a discount to form a superteam ? Nobody. Chances to win a banner because of this ? Zero. Awesome "sport"

You're out of your element Donny.

Let's start with this simply fact: basketball is and will always be a more beautiful game played by much better athletes. Believe me, when I was a college DI goalkeeper at the best soccer school in the nation I didn't look to football players (beyond CB's and WR's) for inspiration. I looked at basketball players. Period. Secondly, outside of debatable charge/block calls I know definitively what rules are and how they will typically be called by an NBA official. Yeah, some games ticky tacky **** is called unlike other games BUT damned if you're going to tell me an NFL official or the NFL entity as a whole has a **** clue what they're doing and damned if you can tell me a single fan knows what will be called a catch, what is a legal hit, how and who will call it at what part of the game. This is patent bull if you think otherwise and it makes the game a farce. A comedy of itself. These rule changes are pathetic and the game has suffered immensely - it's borderline unwatchable for major stretches and the most important stretches. This is NOT the same game I loved watching in the 90's or leading into the 2010 Super Bowl run. So, aesthetically, and principally: basketball is a game that is crisp with clear rules and easy to understand game of play and easy to understand styles of play. Football is a mess. New officials can't keep track of these drastic changes on the regular. NBA is going to die?!? Which sport is facing drastic declines in youth participation at every level of the sport: it sure as hell isn't basketball. Then, let's not even mention the concussion issues the NFL hid for DECADES and lied about for DECADES that led to these perverse changes in the first place. That's not a story whatsoever. Then, let's also laud the bigotry of the League while kneeling during the national anthem - which also spoke to the bigotry of the large percentage of its fanbase. This is and will always be disgusting. The NBA is so much more forward thinking in the social realm - actually empowering its players to have a voice and to speak out on important issues. Yes, this means something to me. The NBA integrates women in extremely important roles. They have a global fanbase. They have a global player pool. I mean, top to bottom. Your views are limited, my friend. And, frankly, I don't care one iota about superteams. I like good basketball. Period. But, whatever. My case is closed on this issue and you won't change my mind. Agree. To. Disagree.

My name isn't Donny and I don't have the faintest idea what 95% of your post means or how it's relevant to the conversation....and I'm out of my element ??? Hilarious. It sounds like you might want to check out the ballet.

[humanrefutation]

Looks like it's time to lock this up.