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Re: [Knicks' Town Hall] - Coach, Perry & Mills Live! (7PM EST 9/17/18) 

Post#181 » by j4remi » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:20 pm

2010 wrote:Ironic thing is this. For all the people who don't want us to give a dude like Mario a chance to earn a long-term deal betting on his development. Don't forget that at one point Jimmy Butler was thought of as a role player who wasn't highly touted offensively. Yet he developed his offensive repertoire and worked his tail off and turned himself into a max contract caliber player. Point is, don't be so quick to scoff at in-house development. I can actually see a dude like Mario turning into a prime Hedo Turkoglu or better if he puts in the work. That is a darn good player at a discount when you factor in he wouldn't command $30 million+ like Jimmy and with way less mileage.


I've said it a few times, I really think the game that Fiz is describing plays to a lot of Hezonja's strengths. I really like it a lot as a move with a no harm, no foul worst case scenario.
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Post#182 » by shtolky » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:38 pm

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A 2nd is an asset. Don't forget we got Mitch with a 2nd.



If that deal was out there, we'd already have taken it. What team thinks Courtney Lee is enough of a difference maker to take on two years of salary at age 33?


Lee just came off his best season. He hits 3s at a 40%+ clip, plays defense, doesn't ball hog. He's a nice piece to a team in the hunt.



At 2 years/25m when he will be 33 starting the season? We haven't seem teams make moves like that recently where they take the salary and give none in return. I think it's almost impossible to expect to be able to unload his deal without taking any money back in return, unless we attach an asset which we probably aren't doing either. What deal is out there? What contender thinks Lee puts them over the top or close to it?
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Post#183 » by whocares1 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:02 pm

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If that deal was out there, we'd already have taken it. What team thinks Courtney Lee is enough of a difference maker to take on two years of salary at age 33?


Lee just came off his best season. He hits 3s at a 40%+ clip, plays defense, doesn't ball hog. He's a nice piece to a team in the hunt.



At 2 years/25m when he will be 33 starting the season? We haven't seem teams make moves like that recently where they take the salary and give none in return. I think it's almost impossible to expect to be able to unload his deal without taking any money back in return, unless we attach an asset which we probably aren't doing either. What deal is out there? What contender thinks Lee puts them over the top or close to it?


He could help the Rockets but I know they’re in cap hell.
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Post#184 » by 2010 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:05 pm

It is unknown if Frank Ntilikina will start. It is unclear if Ntilikina will play the majority of time at point guard.

What is clear for Ntilikina entering his second season is his looks — a newly sculpted, taller body after an offseason that has Knicks management drooling. The low-key Frenchman even boasts blond streaks in his hair.

During Monday night’s fanfest at the Garden Theatre, Knicks GM Scott Perry said the eighth pick in the 2017 draft put on 15 pounds and grew an inch and a half. He was listed at 6-5 as a 19-year-old rookie, and the Knicks may officially bump him to 6-6 in the new media guide.

Now that he turned 20, on July 28, there will be no more excuses that he’s just a teenager.

“I’m really proud how he developed his body,” Perry said at the fan forum. “I think he’s 15 pounds heavier. That’s all muscle he added. [That’s] the commitment he’s showing as a player to get better. He’s walking around the practice facility with his shirt off all the time. He never would do that last year.”

Ntilikina’s rookie season was a mixed bag. His lack of aggression on offense and erratic jump shot (36.9 percent shooting, 5.9 points per game) overshadowed his steely defense that showcased a 7-foot wingspan.

At July’s Las Vegas summer league, Ntilikina didn’t have enough time to show his progress, shut down with a groin strain after two games after starting at point guard.

In his summer-league debut, he played tentatively on offense (five points, three turnovers), though he shut down Atlanta’s top pick, Trae Young. Knicks coach David Fizdale is attempting to get Ntilikina more in attack, and glimpses were evident in the second game, when he racked up 17 points and six assists.

In the latter part of 2017-18, former coach Jeff Hornacek used Ntilikina a lot at shooting guard, and he made all of his nine starts alongside either Trey Burke or Emmanuel Mudiay.

“I’m not going to give him a position,” said Fizdale, a former University of San Diego point guard who will be judged heavily on Ntilikina’s development. “I just think that these guys are so talented. Now you got multiple players on the court who can dribble, pass and shoot. Why put him in a box? I just look at him as a guard who can make plays for other people, make open shots. He can organize you and can guard 1 through 4 on the floor. That’s where he’s extremely elite.”

The battle for starting point guard will be fierce when the Knicks hold their first training camp practice on Tuesday. Burke finished up as starter, weaving a wonderful half-season after signing in January. Mudiay, who joined the Knicks in February in a deadline deal with Denver, was a disappointment on both ends. Nevertheless, it is an intriguing trio of lottery picks from which to choose.

“They’ll all find their way to the court,” Fizdale said. “They’ll all play for me. I can see myself playing a couple of them together — or all three of them together.”

After the season ended in mid-April, Ntilikina spent a month at a prestigious Paris sports academy to begin weightlifting before returning to New York. In August, he rejected a chance to play for France in September’s World Cup qualifier.

Team president Steve Mills, who drafted Ntilikina when Perry was with Sacramento tabbing De’Aaron Fox, commended Ntilikina for not playing for his country.

“He was invited to play for the French National Team,” Mills said. “He made the decision not to play: ‘I want to be in New York with my teammates, with the coaching staff ready to play for the Knicks. I’m going to pass.’ It was a very mature and thoughtful decision for a young kid.”


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Post#185 » by shtolky » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:10 pm

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Lee just came off his best season. He hits 3s at a 40%+ clip, plays defense, doesn't ball hog. He's a nice piece to a team in the hunt.



At 2 years/25m when he will be 33 starting the season? We haven't seem teams make moves like that recently where they take the salary and give none in return. I think it's almost impossible to expect to be able to unload his deal without taking any money back in return, unless we attach an asset which we probably aren't doing either. What deal is out there? What contender thinks Lee puts them over the top or close to it?


He could help the Rockets but I know they’re in cap hell.



I have no doubt he'd help a contender, but where is the deal? I just don't think any team takes him and simply takes the salary. As you mentioned, a perfect team like Houston doesn't have the expirings to make a deal. The team has a small dilemma with Lee. If we don't play him and focus on the younger players, his trade value probably dips. If we play him and showcase him, that comes at the expense of the younger players. Hopefully a miracle happens and he's dealt before the season.
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Post#186 » by blueNorange » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:20 pm

i'm real pumped for this season, knox getting minutes and will most likely be featured heavily.

over/under mitch fouling out 15 times
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Post#188 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:23 pm

blueNorange wrote:i'm real pumped for this season, knox getting minutes and will most likely be featured heavily.

over/under mitch fouling out 15 times


If Mitch is that raw - and we'll find out during preseason - then he should play the first month or two in the G league
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Post#189 » by Phish Tank » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:25 pm

blueNorange wrote:i'm real pumped for this season, knox getting minutes and will most likely be featured heavily.

over/under mitch fouling out 15 times


under. After the first few foul outs, he'll be relegated back to the bench and the G-League.
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Post#190 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:39 pm

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At 2 years/25m when he will be 33 starting the season? We haven't seem teams make moves like that recently where they take the salary and give none in return. I think it's almost impossible to expect to be able to unload his deal without taking any money back in return, unless we attach an asset which we probably aren't doing either. What deal is out there? What contender thinks Lee puts them over the top or close to it?


He could help the Rockets but I know they’re in cap hell.



I have no doubt he'd help a contender, but where is the deal? I just don't think any team takes him and simply takes the salary. As you mentioned, a perfect team like Houston doesn't have the expirings to make a deal. The team has a small dilemma with Lee. If we don't play him and focus on the younger players, his trade value probably dips. If we play him and showcase him, that comes at the expense of the younger players. Hopefully a miracle happens and he's dealt before the season.


It'll happen during/after training camp, just like the Melo trade happened last season. Or it could happen in January/February.
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Post#191 » by whocares1 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:21 pm

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blueNorange wrote:i'm real pumped for this season, knox getting minutes and will most likely be featured heavily.

over/under mitch fouling out 15 times


If Mitch is that raw - and we'll find out during preseason - then he should play the first month or two in the G league


KP had the same issue I think even as a 2nd year player. Mitch isn’t going to foul out that much, but he will be leaving some quarters early no doubt.
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Post#192 » by Juco24 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:53 pm

It'll be really interesting to see Frank's progression. 6'6" to 6'6.5" 200+ lbs with good handles, good defender, decent shooter. Whilst the focus (rightly so) has been on KP & Knox I think Frank will be equally important to our success. I keep saying this.... Frank/KP/Knox not to mention Burke (only 25) and MR. That's a pretty solid core.... ESPECIALLY if Frank becomes a good player
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Post#194 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:38 am

GONYK wrote:This dude is treating this town hall like he's calling into ESPN


yeah, mike. first time, long time... i'm gonna hang up and listen. :lol:
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Post#195 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:42 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:What irritated me about Steve Mills’ “Amen” was the BS “We’re not taking short cuts...” but he vastly overpaid for Tim Hardaway Jr affecting the Knicks’ cap maneuverability even before the GM was signed.

Secondly, this sell “the Knicks are perceived differently...” I find that highly unconvincing.
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i'm with you here, finky. the most progressive league in the world has not only NOT canceled zeke... he's still prominent. NBATV. liberty. wtf?! this guy is a disgrace.
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Post#196 » by ChuckyFE » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:42 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:There's just something dishonest about Steve Mills. He strikes me as the kind of guy who has a built-in scape goat with every misstep.


It's funny that when I watched this broadcast and they asked the question about who inspires them, Mills couldn't think of anything so they let the other guys go and then he basically copied the other guys answers.

It immediately reminded me of this:



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Post#197 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:44 am

omerome wrote:That was an excellent town hall. I felt much better after the front office and coach pretty much said that they are all in with player development and will live with the results. And it feels good knowing that Mills who has been around the Knicks for so long is not going to fall into the trap of repeating the mistakes of the past.

I can't wait for the season to start.


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Post#198 » by cgf » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:09 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:What irritated me about Steve Mills’ “Amen” was the BS “We’re not taking short cuts...” but he vastly overpaid for Tim Hardaway Jr affecting the Knicks’ cap maneuverability even before the GM was signed.

Secondly, this sell “the Knicks are perceived differently...” I find that highly unconvincing.
NO ONE embarassed the Knicks more than Isiah Thomas’ $40M sexual harassment settlement with A. Brown Sanders.
Not only did Dolan allow Isiah to KEEP his job, he re-hired him to run the wNBA team from the background. You know how many NBA players cried foul over that? None. The Knicks allowed a Sexual Predator to run the team into the ground...and yet, re-hire him? Every one is ok with that!?!? Same owner treated Charles Oakley like Axel Foley in Beverly Hills Cop.

Here’s the SCARY part, Steve Mills was around for every embarrassing moment.

But it’s different now...

Donnie Walsh almost had me. The way he moved Anthony Randolph and almost undid all the damage Isiah did...then he panicked and the rest is history.

Then Phil Jackson.

Again, Steve-O Mills was there for it ALL...only owner James Dolan has been around longer.

That brings me to something I feel was left unsaid: Steve Mills was in agreement with Phil Jackson about putting floaters out there for trade value of Porzingis. It wouldn’t surprise me if Porzingis was traded in a deal with Dallas. Say DSJr + Future 1st Rounder and as many second rounders for GM “Tyler Perry” to play with.

Yeah Mills would bite..

There's just something dishonest about Steve Mills. He strikes me as the kind of guy who has a built-in scape goat with every misstep.

But there's NO DENYING the $$$$$$ in outbidding for Tim Hardaway Jr's services a rookie mistake. I will patiently wait till Tim's contract to see if Mills is man enough to admit that mistake.

IF...the Knicks are in no rush to compete. :nonono:


The Melo trade hurt me to. I had to stop discussing the Knicks & watch them with more detachment when the impatience of our **** ensured that we had no hope of building something great around our new shiny stars.

But it's been almost a decade since then & Dolan seems more detached from the Knicks, even looking into selling the team recently. So there's a chance he won't overrule his FO and force an impatient trade this time...like he did when he forced Walsh to ruin all of his hard work & blowing up the fun young team D'Antoni had going around Amar'e. Plus a few big things are different this time around.

1) we don't just have young talent, we have a young superstar in KP. Even if Frank, Knox, Mitch & our 2019 pick don't surpass the levels of Gallo & Chandler, this core has a much higher internal ceiling as long as we don't blow it up; even if our big FA signings end up being Kemba & Middleton on workable contracts...either averaging out in the 20-25 range, or being shorter in term.

2) we have less to do to create cap space, so other teams won't have as much leverage over us to force us to put a lot of assets on the table just to dump Lee & THJ. Our cap window is widest this next summer, but we'll be able to afford 1 full max in 2020 & 2021, before too many of the kids come off their rookie-scale deals...even if this summer is the only time we'll be able to open over 60M in cap space to make a play for 2 max cats. So after the Noah stretch, nobody will be able to "Morey" us this time.

3) the talk about us & our FA chances is different than last time. A decade ago people thought we could sign STAT, & later Melo, but nobody other than Knicks' writers talked about LeBron or us getting two max cats to team up. This time around Rachel Nichols & Rob Lowe have said that the KD stuff has some legs, whether it ends up happening or not, and a lot of credible NBA people have talked about Kyrie being a real possibility.


Ultimately the FO still has to prove that they will stick to the plan & have the autonomy to wait until FA...even if Dolan wants his new shiny toy before the deadline, like he did Melo...and only time will provide that proof that we need to trust them. But so far they haven't done anything shortsighted and seem to have the right idea about developing our own young talent while turning the knicks into a positive environment that players want to go to.

RE: Mills, it's fair to criticize him for THJ unless Timmy has a great season and can be traded for an asset...even if a minor one. But not for the stuff that he wasn't in charge for. Even if we did, he's not the driving force in that FO atm either, Perry is. And Perry we can't even blame for THJ's contract.
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Post#199 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:33 am

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Dr. Detfink wrote:There's just something dishonest about Steve Mills. He strikes me as the kind of guy who has a built-in scape goat with every misstep.


It's funny that when I watched this broadcast and they asked the question about who inspires them, Mills couldn't think of anything so they let the other guys go and then he basically copied the other guys answers.

It immediately reminded me of this:



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Post#200 » by cgf » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:03 am

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god shammgod wrote:if they were really talking about kanter being here for life, we really can't trust anything they say. lol


Kanter will get a slight pass from me right now. So will a couple other guys like...Mud and even Timmy. I'm curious to see what Fiz can get out of them. Kanter is an MLE bench player IMO. I wouldn't mind keeping him as muscle and hustle off the bench. Spot starts if you need him. I'm also ok with trading him at the deadline If a good deal came up or, letting him walk. :lol:


Yeah. It's all about price & how this season goes. If Kanter is paid like a good bench guy, I'm cool with keeping him around as someone who can be a leader in the locker-room & torch second units, while providing his toughness on the boards. Especially if his 3pt range is real & he can space the floor when he's not in the paint chasing down offensive boards / getting post-ups. But if we can get a late 1st for him at the deadline, I'd have a hard time complaining about losing him, even if he would have stayed at a # that worked for us.

Similar story with a lot of our expiring guys...Lance, Hezonja, Burke, Dotson, & even Kornet; all guys who I wouldn't be opposed to bringing back if they play well under FIz & the money works with the FO's plans...but who I wouldn't complain about seeing included in either the Lee / THJ trades, or shipped out for minor assets that we can throw into those cap-clearing trades should we get confirmation from 2 max cats that we need that second slot.


Lance is one I'm actually very curious about potentially coming back as a good bench vet given his grit & versatility...which I expect to win him the starting spot between Kanter & Knox with KP out.

And we could actually pay him a good bit next season without having much effect on our cap space at all...if the FO gets crafty & the math works out in their favor...as he has 1M that becomes guaranteed a week before FA, that we could stretch before making our signings, and then offer him a vet min deal that would be in the 2.2-2.4M range for a player with his experience.

So for $333,334 in cap space we could give Lance 3.2-3.4M to come back next season...which would be just a little less than the BAE that he could get from some other team if we just waived him before any of his money became guaranteed...while leaving our room-MLE in 2019 to bring back Hezonja or Kanter with.
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