Political Roundtable Part XXII

[I_Like_Dirt]

I can't tell if the tone of this article is to tip their hat to this administration:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/business/china-trade-war-retaliate.html

I don't think the "trade wars" have played out very well with NAFTA and Europe - but this one seems to be doing surprisingly well.

The weird thing is that I feel China is the one case where Trump might not actually want anything. I mean, I get it - it's the place where the US really should be focusing on in terms of setting trade practices straight, and I'm sure there are plenty in government, both elected officials and public servants, as well as private sector lobbying for certain changes if possible, but Trump himself? He might have started out wanting something, but I sort of get the impression that he's to the point where the political points he scores from all of this are something he's very interested in, and it really doesn't matter to him where his attacks are made, so if China is that place, he's going to make it. And interestingly enough, the place where he's more interested in the attacks than the concessions is the place where he might actually make the most substantial of changes.

This can still play out in a lot of ways, but I'm curious. Trump seems to have backed off the EU for a little more of a neutral stance on their part with respect to China, and Canada seems to be angling for something similar, much to administration frustration, because they really aren't wanting to try to vilify Canada but absolutely do want to renegotiate with Mexico for reasons that go beyond economic ones and can't do that without renegotiating with Canada, too. If there were a singular focus on China, as the direction seems to be headed, that might actually be something that could work to Americas favor.

[Ruzious]

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Not sure why they don't simply have the FBI vet her story instead of turning this into what likely will be a circus. Didn't they learn anything from the Anita Hill fiasco?

[TGW]

VIVA LA RESISTANCE!

The Democrats are beyond being a joke. They are simply pathetic.

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[dckingsfan]

I can't tell if the tone of this article is to tip their hat to this administration:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/business/china-trade-war-retaliate.html

I don't think the "trade wars" have played out very well with NAFTA and Europe - but this one seems to be doing surprisingly well.

The weird thing is that I feel China is the one case where Trump might not actually want anything. I mean, I get it - it's the place where the US really should be focusing on in terms of setting trade practices straight, and I'm sure there are plenty in government, both elected officials and public servants, as well as private sector lobbying for certain changes if possible, but Trump himself? He might have started out wanting something, but I sort of get the impression that he's to the point where the political points he scores from all of this are something he's very interested in, and it really doesn't matter to him where his attacks are made, so if China is that place, he's going to make it. And interestingly enough, the place where he's more interested in the attacks than the concessions is the place where he might actually make the most substantial of changes.

This can still play out in a lot of ways, but I'm curious. Trump seems to have backed off the EU for a little more of a neutral stance on their part with respect to China, and Canada seems to be angling for something similar, much to administration frustration, because they really aren't wanting to try to vilify Canada but absolutely do want to renegotiate with Mexico for reasons that go beyond economic ones and can't do that without renegotiating with Canada, too. If there were a singular focus on China, as the direction seems to be headed, that might actually be something that could work to Americas favor.

Yep, Trump doesn't use a rifle - he uses a shot-gun with lots of collateral damage. The EU trade negotiations - nothing. NAFTA, so far nothing. But China?

It is getting him what he wants - attention. It is getting him a boogey man to vilify. And at this point - China has no answer, I think they are truly baffled and just want to wait Trump out... but, these policies could be in place well after Trump leaves office.

[gtn130]

popper earnestly responding to SD20's pathetic boat brag is just *chefs kiss* perfect

I'm reminded of the special boat ride Tony Soprano and the gang gave to Big Pussy.

great reference

[dckingsfan]

@ TGW

Spending bill:
$675 billion for the Defense Department
- military pay increases 2.6 percent after freezing federal employment pay

Spending increase for Health and Human Services, Education, Labor and other agencies
- 5 percent increase for NIH

Keeps the government open ahead of the September 30 deadline.

This is a spending trade. There are no sustainable government types in either party. Well, 6 conservatives and Bernie (who isn't that).

[TGW]

@ TGW

Spending bill:
$675 billion for the Defense Department
- military pay increases 2.6 percent after freezing federal employment pay

Spending increase for Health and Human Services, Education, Labor and other agencies
- 5 percent increase for NIH

Keeps the government open ahead of the September 30 deadline.

This is a spending trade. There are no sustainable government types in either party. Well, 6 conservatives and Bernie (who isn't that).

I'm waiting for the Democrats to actually resist on SOMETHING, because their voting record and actions do not match their rhetoric. And no, neither of these parties are about sustainable government; it's why we steal so many resources in other countries. Have to pay for our broken system somehow.

[verbal8]

If I would have to guess the average is probably where things actually are.
Cruz around 47 to 45%
Beto 46 to 44%

This would indicate Cruz has somewhat of a lead. There are a couple hopeful points(related) for Beto - Cruz is under 50% also 8 to 10% of the vote is still up for grabs.

Ultimately it will come down to turn-out. I predict a high turn-out election would look like the Reuters/UVA poll(Beto by 2). More typical turn-out levels and things look more like most of the other recent polls - a narrow Cruz victory.

538 has Beto's odds right around 32% that seems reasonable.

Fat lady isn't singing yet:
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/19/beto-orourke-leads-cruz-new-poll-texas-senate-race/

Republicans will deploy every voter suppression dirty trick that they have, they control the machinery

Edit: It appears that this poll is an outlier
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/tx/texas_senate_cruz_vs_orourke-6310.html

You are right on both points.

What is interesting is that Beto is floating the other D ships for congress. So, although he will probably not win - he is definitely affecting politics in Texas.

[dckingsfan]

@zonk - do you love Scott Hechinger or what?

[stilldropin20]

everyone should watch this entire video. We spend nearly 5 Billion per year on researching the climate <--with the clear agenda to keep pushing the climate warming/changing agenda. The scientist keep fear mongering that agenda because it keeps the grant money pouring in!

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[stilldropin20]

popper earnestly responding to SD20's pathetic boat brag is just *chefs kiss* perfect

boaters, people who own boats are proven to be th emost responsible people on the planet. they love the water and therefore respect the water, waterways, and mother earth more than any other group on the planet.

Now I am not talking about the douchebags that rent boats for a day and act like they own the boat, own the water ways, and get drunk and act like aholes. I'm talking about boaters and boat owners. We are great human beings and Popper clearly is an amazing human being if you have listened to his story. I pay attention to these things and have a great memory. he is clearly a Great man and raised good kids to help tend to the earth as well.

Additionally, this boat if i upgrade is going to cost me $6,000 in taxes when i purchase. $7,200 annually at my slip which goes directly to the chicago park district of which 70% goes to chicago school. I could stay at home? Hang out in the back yard for free? or I could buy a boat and go out on the boat a whole 20 times per summer and pay $7200 to the city in taxes to go out on the boat. The boat will cost about $500 in fuel. $700 in insurance. $3000 in annual maintenance. And $5500 to store in the winter at the local marina.

That's $20,000 per year i spend into the local economy. $20K Beyond my normal income taxes!! Furthermore I write off an annual amount of nearly $20,000 on other forms of meals and entertainment.

So that is $40,000 per year i contribute to my local residence in terms of real jobs and real spending into the economy that is way beyond my corporate taxes and personal income taxes.<--which are in the hundreds of thousands annually!

In short, I too am a way better human being than you because I do more for my local residents in 1 year than you will likely ever do in your entire life. I spent 4 years in the US Navy. and 8 years in college so as to be a doctor. Once i became a doctor, I chose to serve the poor, working poor, and middle class over the rich. <--Thats why i fight so hard for policy that actually benefits the working poor and middle class!! My dental classmate that went on to serve the rich? they make 2-3 times the amounts I do per procedure. They work way less. Have less head aches and heart aches. Their patients simply have less needs, and less complications, and therefore a less adverserial relationship is built into their practice of dentistry. I bucked all that and took the hard road. Because I wanted help. And to make up for the income gap...i had to invest in real estate smartly and Run multiple business. 12, 13,14,16, 18 hour days 7 days per week for decades!!

And now...if I want to buy myself a phucking boat and talk about it..and you dont like it cuz YOUR BROKE ASS AINT GOT NO BOAT!!??? Eff off!!! <--FTR, I mean that in the most of encouraging of ways. So as to motivate you to also work hard and do well for yourself. It really is worth it. The sex is really better...when its on your own effing yacht!!! And every man or woman deserves a that...but ya gotta do the work. So take these words as constructive encouragement. And pretty please even if you will never ever ever be able to afford a boat at least get off your lazy arse and go do something for your neighbors and fellow citizens today!! Give away at least $10 bucks to someone. Anyone! DO something, anything, to help someone else besides yourself!!

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Not sure why they don't simply have the FBI vet her story instead of turning this into what likely will be a circus. Didn't they learn anything from the Anita Hill fiasco?

The accuser doesn't know what happened. She doesn't know where or when or who was there. So The only 2 reasons the (dimms) want an FBI investigation is to delay and to espablish a timeline because SHE doe NOT know the timeline. The senate is going to obliterate her.

Senate: "You're sure it was him?"
Her: "Yes"
Senate: "but you cant tell us what day it was? Not even the month..you're even fuzzy on what year it was and who's house it was?"
Her: "yes"

^^^ i mean if any of you were on a jury would you convict? Obviously not. You would not even believe her. Its not credible accounting of a memory.

And here's why: She doesn't want to commit to a day or a time or a house because it give kavanaugh an out. Simply...kavanaugh may not have even been at this party. So if she picks a time, or a day, or even a week...she gives him an out. And only a false accuser is afraid of giving people an out. If the accusation is real? Its quite simple: "At suzies house, in her brother john's bedroom, standing next to the closet. on july 14th. it had to be between 8 and 9pm. Marky, Rickey, Danny, Terry, Mikey, Davey, Timmy, and Tommy were there!!!!

But she cant even give us the month let alone the day. let alone the time of day. Give me an effing break!!

She and the Dimms want the FBI to fill in all of those blanks for her. Indeed to go do the leg work to find a party that they both attended. <--if that party even exists to even put him at the so called scene. And if the FBI doesn't find the party? Big deal!! The whole idea is to delay anyway!!

Sorry, not buying this crap for a single second. If you accuse someone of a heinious act you gotta be able to name names, places, times, and dates. Or you cant be taken seriously.

Also, the FBI would not investigate this. that is not how it works. The senate investigates these matters. And the WaPo should investigate it since they reported it! What the hell happened to journalism!! Let alone our confirmation process!!

And I dont even like Kavanaugh. I think he is a dweeb!!

[pancakes3]

you can go f yourself, SD.

This isn't a criminal case. This is a confirmation for a SCOTUS seat. The burden of proof is not "to convict." It's to determine suitability and fitness for the Supreme Court. There are dozens of other candidates out there that are as qualified, if not more, who don't have rape allegations floating out there. As a facile example, Gorsuch went to the same school and doesn't have similar allegations. R's are digging in their heels on this and it's sickening because they can't admit a mistake.

at the very least, even if you take the allegation in the most dismissive manner, the accuser has brought to our attention that the SCOTUS nominee is potentially capable of trying to force himself on a girl, with someone else in the room. she knows Kavannaugh by name, and he knows his friends by name. she went to Holton Arms that would have mixed with Georgetown Prep, around the same time as Kavannaugh.

this has to give you pause. this has to be concerning. this has to make you think - maybe we should consider someone else. if it doesn't, then you're either gullible or evil.

so you might want to reconsider when you say that this woman came forward at the age of 50, labelling herself as a rape victim to the world, turned her life upside down, just to delay Kavannaugh's confirmation? that you don't buy it for a single second? that she can't be taken seriously? it's an awful thing to say. it's stupid, it's disgusting, and you've lost standing as a decent human being who merely differs on political ideology.

[GhostofChenier]

everyone should watch this entire video. We spend nearly 5 Billion per year on researching the climate <--with the clear agenda to keep pushing the climate warming/changing agenda. The scientist keep fear mongering that agenda because it keeps the grant money pouring in!

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This is a very wise man. Belarus scientist come to same conclude. IPCC is mafia you accept their funding or no UN money. And with UN money you must publish paper and bild science facility to support claim of global warming.

And you must also do all this with huge loan from IPCC approved bank. 50 year loan. Our science panel disagree with the science then we had un sancsfkon. We agree then sanction taken away.

Mafia scheme.

[montestewart]

Soviet-state sponsored science = Lysenko, prove science wrong mafia, all state sponsored science = Lysenko 508 Mafia \*!4effa!*/

[stilldropin20]

you can go f yourself, SD.

This isn't a criminal case. This is a confirmation for a SCOTUS seat. The burden of proof is not "to convict." It's to determine suitability and fitness for the Supreme Court. There are dozens of other candidates out there that are as qualified, if not more, who don't have rape allegations floating out there. As a facile example, Gorsuch went to the same school and doesn't have similar allegations. R's are digging in their heels on this and it's sickening because they can't admit a mistake.

at the very least, even if you take the allegation in the most dismissive manner, the accuser has brought to our attention that the SCOTUS nominee is potentially capable of trying to force himself on a girl, with someone else in the room. she knows Kavannaugh by name, and he knows his friends by name. she went to Holton Arms that would have mixed with Georgetown Prep, around the same time as Kavannaugh.

this has to give you pause. this has to be concerning. this has to make you think - maybe we should consider someone else. if it doesn't, then you're either gullible or evil.

so you might want to reconsider when you say that this woman came forward at the age of 50, labelling herself as a rape victim to the world, turned her life upside down, just to delay Kavannaugh's confirmation? that you don't buy it for a single second? that she can't be taken seriously? it's an awful thing to say. it's stupid, it's disgusting, and you've lost standing as a decent human being who merely differs on political ideology.

Name names! Give the FBI a date and a time and maybe then the FBI should consider investing it.

That is if Cavanagh can’t be placed at another place by credible witnesses at that time n date

It’s that simple. I would take everyone and anyone serious who could name a time and a day.


That’s just common sense. But we don’t have that. So in fact what you are doing is disgusting. You are the one, the Liberals are the ones, the Democrats are the ones that are using this woman’s story for political gain’s and purposes. And I would go so far as to speculate that this woman is in on it. Which makes her accusations disgusting.

Give us all a date or move along. She is literally holding up the United States government.

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[GhostofChenier]

Soviet-state sponsored science = Lysenko, prove science wrong mafia, all state sponsored science = Lysenko 508 Mafia \*!4effa!*/

I speak 3 languages. I think you hope you speak my language 1/2 as good as I do your owns. You are being juvenile for deflection. My child uses this when I say no to toys. This is a science talk not deflect politics. Below is fact, it is on IPCC constitution. Read if u know truth.

IPCC, if country does not say yes to CC (climate change) impose sanction. There is no complain or debate, only say yes. When say yes country (if poor) force into 100 year debt. Country also require to teach all children as reality.

They say a country which science do not agree are “free ride” off true science. So economic sanctions by UN. Theybhold baby food, baby milk and other thing from Belarus. Say our media sanctioned as we try to debate.

It is mafia. For our loan of 100 million we pay 500 million in interest to IPCC bank. This is so we do not “free ride”. But our economy and poor are real casulalty.

[stilldropin20]

Soviet-state sponsored science = Lysenko, prove science wrong mafia, all state sponsored science = Lysenko 508 Mafia \*!4effa!*/

I speak 3 languages. I think you hope you speak my language 1/2 as good as I do your owns. You are being juvenile for deflection. My child uses this when I say no to toys. This is a science talk not deflect politics. Below is fact, it is on IPCC constitution. Read if u know truth.

IPCC, if country does not say yes to CC (climate change) impose sanction. There is no complain or debate, only say yes. When say yes country (if poor) force into 100 year debt. Country also require to teach all children as reality.

They say a country which science do not agree are “free ride” off true science. So economic sanctions by UN. Theybhold baby food, baby milk and other thing from Belarus. Say our media sanctioned as we try to debate.

It is mafia. For our loan of 100 million we pay 500 million in interest to IPCC bank. This is so we do not “free ride”. But our economy and poor are real casulalty.

The world central banks have been bullying nation states with these type of tactics for centuries.

I’m sorry to hear of this. I’m quite certain that this is Obama’s administration gangstering “democracy “ around the globe. Liberals are out of their damn minds!


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[dckingsfan]

you can go f yourself, SD.

This isn't a criminal case. This is a confirmation for a SCOTUS seat. The burden of proof is not "to convict." It's to determine suitability and fitness for the Supreme Court. There are dozens of other candidates out there that are as qualified, if not more, who don't have rape allegations floating out there. As a facile example, Gorsuch went to the same school and doesn't have similar allegations. R's are digging in their heels on this and it's sickening because they can't admit a mistake.

at the very least, even if you take the allegation in the most dismissive manner, the accuser has brought to our attention that the SCOTUS nominee is potentially capable of trying to force himself on a girl, with someone else in the room. she knows Kavannaugh by name, and he knows his friends by name. she went to Holton Arms that would have mixed with Georgetown Prep, around the same time as Kavannaugh.

this has to give you pause. this has to be concerning. this has to make you think - maybe we should consider someone else. if it doesn't, then you're either gullible or evil.

so you might want to reconsider when you say that this woman came forward at the age of 50, labelling herself as a rape victim to the world, turned her life upside down, just to delay Kavannaugh's confirmation? that you don't buy it for a single second? that she can't be taken seriously? it's an awful thing to say. it's stupid, it's disgusting, and you've lost standing as a decent human being who merely differs on political ideology.

You haven't put him on ignore yet

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Not sure why they don't simply have the FBI vet her story instead of turning this into what likely will be a circus. Didn't they learn anything from the Anita Hill fiasco?

Because Republicans know if the FBI investigates it will be much harder for them to assassinate her character. and the FBI might even dig up additional dirt on Kavanaugh.