OT: Jimmy Butler asked for Trade !!

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NICE!!!!!!!!

Awesome news

[Deeeez Knicks]

That’s an absolute steal for us

Im not giving up frank for jimmy. No way no how.

Especially cause that trade wouldn't free up enough space for a 2nd max

We'd need to dump Noah or Tim wholesale still, so that's multiple 1sts as a result

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That Minn would take both Timmy and Lee always seemed like a crazy idea to me unless we gave up a lot more....it would probably take at least a first just to get rid of them for any expiring

[Br00kLyn]

I wouldnt mind a trade for Jimmy, but hats off to the front office if they pass and stay fully committed to their plan

[2010]

To me the Wolves are in a terrible place. If your two young franchise stars are bumping heads with the star veteran over work habits that's a huge issue. To me that says the TWovles aren't going anywhere until those two guys change their attitudes. I'm sure Butler may be a little over the top and/or harsh, but these are professionals I do not want their work ethics questioned if I'm a GM/TP.

Totally. The way Wiggins' camp is handling this is particularly unprofessional and concerning.

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According to Isola, is the Knicks front office currently not holding itself accountable?

I think the pause on guys like Thibs and JVG are they are not collaborative and they do not value any input from the front office. They value Chinese walls and separation and have an old school mentality of the front office should stay upstairs and the coaches downstairs. And likewise, that mentality is self-defeating as they do not mesh or bond with their players. They have a taskmaster mentality.

Where as the new generation of players value coaches like Fiz who is just "one of the guys" yet still is able and willing to hold them accountable. It's a new day...and for media as well which is why Isola lost his day job.

In hindsight, I think Knicks mgmt got it right by staying away from Thibs, JVG, and Bud.

[SelbyCobra]

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[NYG]

I see Butler getting traded to the Nets and recruiting Kyrie there in the summer which makes the Nets good, but not championship contender good IMO.

I see the Knicks dumping Courtney Lee before the deadline, signing Kemba this off-season and adding a top 5 prospect in the draft.

[Br00kLyn]

Totally. The way Wiggins' camp is handling this is particularly unprofessional and concerning.

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According to Isola, is the Knicks front office currently not holding itself accountable?

I think the pause on guys like Thibs and JVG are they are not collaborative and they do not value any input from the front office. They value Chinese walls and separation and have an old school mentality of the front office should stay upstairs and the coaches downstairs. And likewise, that mentality is self-defeating as they do not mesh or bond with their players. They have a taskmaster mentality.

Where as the new generation of players value coaches like Fiz who is just "one of the guys" yet still is able and willing to hold them accountable. It's a new day...and for media as well which is why Isola lost his day job.

In hindsight, I think Knicks mgmt got it right by staying away from Thibs, JVG, and Bud.

That tweet is over 2 years old so it doesnt have any relevance now. But I agree that coaches like Fizz are far more likely to reach today's players and get a positive response over the "old school" guys like JVG and Thibs

[isiah_thomas]

I see Butler getting traded to the Nets and recruiting Kyrie there in the summer which makes the Nets good, but not championship contender good IMO.

I see the Knicks dumping Courtney Lee before the deadline, signing Kemba this off-season and adding a top 5 prospect in the draft.

I see the clippers getting him/and than kawai

Kyrie stays in/boston

[Jeff Van Gully]

I see Butler getting traded to the Nets and recruiting Kyrie there in the summer which makes the Nets good, but not championship contender good IMO.

I see the Knicks dumping Courtney Lee before the deadline, signing Kemba this off-season and adding a top 5 prospect in the draft.

+1 for the first part.

-1000 for the second.

[taj2133]

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Awesome news

The knicks are just saying all the right things right now we will see what happens.

[Capn'O]

Totally. The way Wiggins' camp is handling this is particularly unprofessional and concerning.

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According to Isola, is the Knicks front office currently not holding itself accountable?

I think the pause on guys like Thibs and JVG are they are not collaborative and they do not value any input from the front office. They value Chinese walls and separation and have an old school mentality of the front office should stay upstairs and the coaches downstairs. And likewise, that mentality is self-defeating as they do not mesh or bond with their players. They have a taskmaster mentality.

Where as the new generation of players value coaches like Fiz who is just "one of the guys" yet still is able and willing to hold them accountable. It's a new day...and for media as well which is why Isola lost his day job.

In hindsight, I think Knicks mgmt got it right by staying away from Thibs, JVG, and Bud.

Fat Kat is having a spot of fun. Look at the tweet date.

I posted in the Around thread the other day that in that group of coaches none of them (Hornacek included) really turned up roses. Blatt, Vogel, Thibs, Horns... Nate McMillan has had some success. Go figure.

Fiz is definitely more in the collaborative mode of coaches as opposed to silos of Front Office, Coaching, and Players. I agree that there's a lot of upside in that approach but it's not without risks. You can tell from the press conference that Fiz still expects to be the top voice in the locker room which can be a tough transition from buddy-buddy when it needs to happen. Hopefully he learned some things from his time with Memphis.

[TheGreenArrow]

I see Butler getting traded to the Nets and recruiting Kyrie there in the summer which makes the Nets good, but not championship contender good IMO.

I see the Knicks dumping Courtney Lee before the deadline, signing Kemba this off-season and adding a top 5 prospect in the draft.

+1 for the first part.

-1000 for the second.

Idk man. I think id take kemba on a similar contract as lowry with one of Cam/Zion/Romeo/RJ/Little over a broken down jimmy butler and injury proned kyrie on two max contracts.

[DOT]

I see Butler getting traded to the Nets and recruiting Kyrie there in the summer which makes the Nets good, but not championship contender good IMO.

I see the Knicks dumping Courtney Lee before the deadline, signing Kemba this off-season and adding a top 5 prospect in the draft.

+1 for the first part.

-1000 for the second.

Idk man. I think id take kemba on a similar contract as lowry with one of Cam/Zion/Romeo/RJ/Little over a broken down jimmy butler and injury proned kyrie on two max contracts.

If we're not signing one of Kyrie/KD/Kawhi, we shouldn't give out any more than a 2 year deal to keep a max slot for 2021

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[NYKAL]

Stephen a on/first take

Wolves want frank 1st and lee

That’s an absolute steal for us

Im not giving up frank for jimmy. No way no how.

if a Butler trade happened, you would want to keep Frank so you'd have 2, two way players on the Roster (that is if/when Franks offense develops). You'd have a lock down defender at the 1 & the 2. That is scary as hell.

[Jeff Van Gully]

+1 for the first part.

-1000 for the second.

Idk man. I think id take kemba on a similar contract as lowry with one of Cam/Zion/Romeo/RJ/Little over a broken down jimmy butler and injury proned kyrie on two max contracts.

If we're not signing one of Kyrie/KD/Kawhi, we shouldn't give out any more than a 2 year deal to keep a max slot for 2021

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TGA- i hear that. kemba is a deserved all-star. i just don't know if he is a need and if he's just a tad outside of our time window at 28. kyrie at 26 is appealing to me because he's entering his prime (health permitting). i do fear a STAT situation with him. even KD and kawhi scare me. KD is older and that foot is a time bomb IMO. and kawhi is already seriously injured and weird af. iono bout him.

[SelbyCobra]

The first tweet was from February. The writer went back to it today and clarified.

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According to Isola, is the Knicks front office currently not holding itself accountable?

I think the pause on guys like Thibs and JVG are they are not collaborative and they do not value any input from the front office. They value Chinese walls and separation and have an old school mentality of the front office should stay upstairs and the coaches downstairs. And likewise, that mentality is self-defeating as they do not mesh or bond with their players. They have a taskmaster mentality.

Where as the new generation of players value coaches like Fiz who is just "one of the guys" yet still is able and willing to hold them accountable. It's a new day...and for media as well which is why Isola lost his day job.

In hindsight, I think Knicks mgmt got it right by staying away from Thibs, JVG, and Bud.

That tweet is over 2 years old so it doesnt have any relevance now. But I agree that coaches like Fizz are far more likely to reach today's players and get a positive response over the "old school" guys like JVG and Thibs

My bad. Didn't realize that was an old tweet.

[god shammgod]

lee, frank, and a 1st (if it's protected) is a pretty fair offer. as others have said though they have to take timmy.

what if we took dieng & jimmy for timmy, lee, 1st. does that leave enough money for the 2nd max after stretching noah ? lowers the cost to us by us taking a bad player maybe. gives us a center until mitch is ready to start full time. just something to think about.

[Jeff Van Gully]

That’s an absolute steal for us

Im not giving up frank for jimmy. No way no how.

if a Butler trade happened, you would want to keep Frank so you'd have 2, two way players on the Roster (that is if/when Franks offense develops). You'd have a lock down defender at the 1 & the 2. That is scary as hell.

amen. i'd want frank and butler on that perimeter together absolutely terrorizing the league.

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NICE!!!!!!!!

Yet people still scared. Jump at Shiny things when you are already good and can afford it.