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The Minnesota Timberwolves would like to include Gorgui Dieng in any trade involving Jimmy Butler.
The Wolves signed Dieng to a four-year, $64 million extension in October of 2016, which means Dieng still has $48 million over the next three seasons remaining on his contract.
Most teams interested in Butler would like to maximize their cap space for 2019 and will balk at taking back Dieng.
Via Zach Lowe/ESPN
hyberx wrote:Did Dieng get a hold of the owners' very private photos before the contract signing or what?
tigerae wrote:hyberx wrote:Did Dieng get a hold of the owners' very private photos before the contract signing or what?
2016 was the year the cap jumped and role players took full advantage of it while teams gave away stupid contracts. Mozgov, Deng, Dieng, Jordan Clarkson, Evan Turner, Evan Fournier and quite a few others.
As for the Wolves hoping to include Dieng in a Butler trade, good luck with that. Some teams may be willing to give up some assets for a potential rental but not very many will be willing to take on extra baggage to boot unless you throw in sweeteners (picks, young players) or just trade Butler and Dieng for next to nothing where the sweetener becomes the Butler rental.
For the teams Butler wants to play for (Clippers, Nets and Knicks), I just don't see them ruining their chances at 2 max contracts next year unless a 3rd team comes in and takes on Dieng's contract as long as they get some sweeteners (picks, young players).
bqmuzik wrote:They can swap bad contracts, take Galinari and then waive him.
hyberx wrote:Did Dieng get a hold of the owners' very private photos before the contract signing or what?
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:The whole comparison to Kevin McHale is ridiculously close, imo... And that's without more hilarious aspects of the comparison, e.g. if Wally Sczerbiak were 7 feet tall with the slower reflexes that came with the additional height, he'd be Bargnani.
shrink wrote:hyberx wrote:Did Dieng get a hold of the owners' very private photos before the contract signing or what?
Most people don’t realize that Gorgui was #42 in the NBA in RPM in 2015-16.
It was not a fluke either, because he was #33 in 2016-17.
The reason for his big drop off was a move to the bench, when Taj Gibson arrived. Gorgui is a fantastic complimentary player, challenging shots all over the floor, and was high in nearly all hustle stats. However, he has an extremely slow jumper, that requires starters on the floor to create some gravity get the shot off.
dubbmotta wrote:shrink wrote:hyberx wrote:Did Dieng get a hold of the owners' very private photos before the contract signing or what?
Most people don’t realize that Gorgui was #42 in the NBA in RPM in 2015-16.
It was not a fluke either, because he was #33 in 2016-17.
The reason for his big drop off was a move to the bench, when Taj Gibson arrived. Gorgui is a fantastic complimentary player, challenging shots all over the floor, and was high in nearly all hustle stats. However, he has an extremely slow jumper, that requires starters on the floor to create some gravity get the shot off.
Making an argument off of “RPM” is the dumbest shyt I’ve seen. He doesn’t get the minutes as most because he’s not good and didn’t deserve that contract before hand. All these basketball analytics nerds need to stop with that.
Sign5 wrote:Yea not happening, I expected a better retort but what do I expect from realgm(ers) in 2025. Just quote and state things that lack context, then repeat the same thing over and over as if something new and profound was said. Just lol.
dubbmotta wrote:shrink wrote:hyberx wrote:Did Dieng get a hold of the owners' very private photos before the contract signing or what?
Most people don’t realize that Gorgui was #42 in the NBA in RPM in 2015-16.
It was not a fluke either, because he was #33 in 2016-17.
The reason for his big drop off was a move to the bench, when Taj Gibson arrived. Gorgui is a fantastic complimentary player, challenging shots all over the floor, and was high in nearly all hustle stats. However, he has an extremely slow jumper, that requires starters on the floor to create some gravity get the shot off.
Making an argument off of “RPM” is the dumbest shyt I’ve seen. He doesn’t get the minutes as most because he’s not good and didn’t deserve that contract before hand. All these basketball analytics nerds need to stop with that.
He's a good role player, but he doesn't change a team in to a playoff team. He deserves a Lou Williams type contract, 7-10 million a year max. 85 million for 5 years is over paid imo.DubsPhilosophy wrote:tigerae wrote:hyberx wrote:Did Dieng get a hold of the owners' very private photos before the contract signing or what?
2016 was the year the cap jumped and role players took full advantage of it while teams gave away stupid contracts. Mozgov, Deng, Dieng, Jordan Clarkson, Evan Turner, Evan Fournier and quite a few others.
As for the Wolves hoping to include Dieng in a Butler trade, good luck with that. Some teams may be willing to give up some assets for a potential rental but not very many will be willing to take on extra baggage to boot unless you throw in sweeteners (picks, young players) or just trade Butler and Dieng for next to nothing where the sweetener becomes the Butler rental.
For the teams Butler wants to play for (Clippers, Nets and Knicks), I just don't see them ruining their chances at 2 max contracts next year unless a 3rd team comes in and takes on Dieng's contract as long as they get some sweeteners (picks, young players).
Fournier may or may not be slightly overpaid but he doesn't belong in that list. He's been the best player on a bad team for years.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:The whole comparison to Kevin McHale is ridiculously close, imo... And that's without more hilarious aspects of the comparison, e.g. if Wally Sczerbiak were 7 feet tall with the slower reflexes that came with the additional height, he'd be Bargnani.
CJLoizzi wrote:Jimmy holds more cards here than the Timberwolves think he does. As good as he is, he is somewhat injury prone, 29, and not a great locker room guy as he doesn’t seem to have patience for younger players. Not to mention he’s a free agent who will only sign with either the Nets, Knicks, or Clippers. That being said, I honestly think the Knicks might be the best suitor rn for both teams to take Butler and Gieng. His value isn’t as high as they Wolves think and ultimately they will likely get less back for him than the Pacers expected to get when they traded George to the Thunder. Knicks can give them a good 26 year old shooter with Hardaway Jr. who averaged 17 pts last year, Courtney Lee who’d be a good off the bench two way player and locker room guy to help mentor the younger guys, a young quick uptempo athletic pg with Emmanuel Mudiay who can get better with good coaching, an unprotected first rounder for 2020, and an unprotected second rounder for 2019. They can flip Jones to Phoenix who’s interested in him for one of their young stretch bigs maybe Bender and potentially a pick which will also make room for Mudiay as the backup pg. Meanwhile, the Knicks offload 2 bad contracts which the Timberwolves should be okay with inheriting considering no big free agent will want to play there anyway and they won’t have to pay Butler a max now, they gain a two way star that fits the New York style of basketball, and a young center/pf who could be inserted either behind Kanter while Robinson develops or at the power forward for while Porzingis is out and Vonleh can be the backup. Dieng plays more defense than Kanter and plays better at his natural position center so assuming Robinson really develops into a starting caliber center, they won’t have to pay Enes and can let him walk and have Dieng as the backup behind Mitchell for a more defense and rebounding front court. I’m sure Wolves fans won’t like this deal but they’re offloading Butler who as I said isn’t as valuable as they think he is for reasons listed earlier and Dieng’s contract and make themselves either good enough to make the bottom of the playoffs again with better chemistry and ball movement or a late lottery team that can draft a good young prospect to help restock their young depth which they gave a lot of away to get Butler in the first place. If Knicks fans want him they’re not gonna get him in free agency he made it clear the Clippers are his number 1 choice but he will resign with the Knicks assuming they trade for him. They don’t HAVE to do this I’d honestly prefer waiting it out a year and going after Beal from that dysfunctional Wizards team the next free agency but Butler does make sense for this group in some facets so this would be the best possible exchange for both teams assuming they decided to make one even though the Knicks probably have a better option just passing on him.
dan-man wrote:These guys are EASILY the second best team in the NBA. Time to figure out how to keep all these awful Eastern Conference teams out of the playoffs.
CJLoizzi wrote:Jimmy holds more cards here than the Timberwolves think he does. As good as he is, he is somewhat injury prone, 29, and not a great locker room guy as he doesn’t seem to have patience for younger players. Not to mention he’s a free agent who will only sign with either the Nets, Knicks, or Clippers. That being said, I honestly think the Knicks might be the best suitor rn for both teams to take Butler and Gieng. His value isn’t as high as they Wolves think and ultimately they will likely get less back for him than the Pacers expected to get when they traded George to the Thunder. Knicks can give them a good 26 year old shooter with Hardaway Jr. who averaged 17 pts last year, Courtney Lee who’d be a good off the bench two way player and locker room guy to help mentor the younger guys, a young quick uptempo athletic pg with Emmanuel Mudiay who can get better with good coaching, an unprotected first rounder for 2020, and an unprotected second rounder for 2019. They can flip Jones to Phoenix who’s interested in him for one of their young stretch bigs maybe Bender and potentially a pick which will also make room for Mudiay as the backup pg. Meanwhile, the Knicks offload 2 bad contracts which the Timberwolves should be okay with inheriting considering no big free agent will want to play there anyway and they won’t have to pay Butler a max now, they gain a two way star that fits the New York style of basketball, and a young center/pf who could be inserted either behind Kanter while Robinson develops or at the power forward for while Porzingis is out and Vonleh can be the backup. Dieng plays more defense than Kanter and plays better at his natural position center so assuming Robinson really develops into a starting caliber center, they won’t have to pay Enes and can let him walk and have Dieng as the backup behind Mitchell for a more defense and rebounding front court. I’m sure Wolves fans won’t like this deal but they’re offloading Butler who as I said isn’t as valuable as they think he is for reasons listed earlier and Dieng’s contract and make themselves either good enough to make the bottom of the playoffs again with better chemistry and ball movement or a late lottery team that can draft a good young prospect to help restock their young depth which they gave a lot of away to get Butler in the first place. If Knicks fans want him they’re not gonna get him in free agency he made it clear the Clippers are his number 1 choice but he will resign with the Knicks assuming they trade for him. They don’t HAVE to do this I’d honestly prefer waiting it out a year and going after Beal from that dysfunctional Wizards team the next free agency but Butler does make sense for this group in some facets so this would be the best possible exchange for both teams assuming they decided to make one even though the Knicks probably have a better option just passing on him.