Potential FA to pursue in 2019

HurricaneDij25 · Post #1 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:25 pm

Give us Tobias Harris and Eric Bledsoe. This will take enormous scoring pressure off of 'Dipo...

And if things go well this season, re-sign Evans and O'Quinn to team-friendly deals (maybe CoJo as well) and let Turner and Thad walk to officially close the books on the Bird/George regime.

Pacers_Freak · Post #2 » by **Pacers_Freak** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:00 pm

Dang hoss.... 2018 training camp starts tomorrow. Lot to be excited about this year!

Gooner · Post #3 » by **Gooner** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:01 pm

HurricaneDij25 wrote:Give us Tobias Harris and Eric Bledsoe. This will take enormous scoring pressure off of 'Dipo...

And if things go well this season, re-sign Evans and O'Quinn to team-friendly deals (maybe CoJo as well) and let Turner and Thad walk to officially close the books on the Bird/George regime.

I disagree about Turner,he is still raw,but clearly has potential.He is still very young and best is yet to come.I expect him to be better this season,he is my first candidate for MIP.

Pacers_Freak · Post #4 » by **Pacers_Freak** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:12 pm

Gooner wrote:
HurricaneDij25 wrote:Give us Tobias Harris and Eric Bledsoe. This will take enormous scoring pressure off of 'Dipo...

And if things go well this season, re-sign Evans and O'Quinn to team-friendly deals (maybe CoJo as well) and let Turner and Thad walk to officially close the books on the Bird/George regime.

I disagree about Turner,he is still raw,but clearly has potential.He is still very young and best is yet to come.I expect him to be better this season,he is my first candidate for MIP.

Agree. If we let him walk for the likes of Tobias Harris and Eric Bledsoe especially....

Gooner · Post #5 » by **Gooner** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:23 pm

Pacers_Freak wrote:
Gooner wrote:
HurricaneDij25 wrote:Give us Tobias Harris and Eric Bledsoe. This will take enormous scoring pressure off of 'Dipo...

And if things go well this season, re-sign Evans and O'Quinn to team-friendly deals (maybe CoJo as well) and let Turner and Thad walk to officially close the books on the Bird/George regime.

I disagree about Turner,he is still raw,but clearly has potential.He is still very young and best is yet to come.I expect him to be better this season,he is my first candidate for MIP.

Agree. If we let him walk for the likes of Tobias Harris and Eric Bledsoe especially....

Yeah,Bledsoe showed last season that he was overrated,and i'd rather play Sabonis at 4 than bring Harris.I don't believe in the idea that him and Turner can't play together.

Wizop · Post #6 » by **Wizop** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:23 pm

in Myles media day presser today he was asked about playing with Damos and he used what I consider to be magic words: "high low."

Post #7 » by **Jake0890** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:03 pm

Klay. Thompson.

Tom White · Post #8 » by **Tom White** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:22 pm

HurricaneDij25 wrote:Give us Tobias Harris and Eric Bledsoe. This will take enormous scoring pressure off of 'Dipo...

And if things go well this season, re-sign Evans and O'Quinn to team-friendly deals (maybe CoJo as well)....

If, in your words, "things go well" why would the team make the moves of bringing in Harris and especially Bledsoe?

...and let Turner and Thad walk to officially close the books on the Bird/George regime.

Again, to use your words, if things go well, why let two starters simply walk out the door?
Oh, and if you really want to "close the books" from the Bird regime think of who else would need to go. Including most of the coaching staff, Pritchard and many others.

Not a word of what you have suggested makes any sense at all to me.

Wizop · Post #9 » by **Wizop** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:23 pm

I am so not ready to think about 2019. sure Klay Thompson is a great player but I haven't seen Reke play with Vic, or Myles and Damos be good together. it's way too early to know whether we need a star or a role player and if the latter what we get from Doug and Alize.

Tom White · Post #10 » by **Tom White** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:27 pm

Wizop wrote:I am so not ready to think about 2019. sure Klay Thompson is a great player but I haven't seen Reke play with Vic, or Myles and Damos be good together. it's way too early to know whether we need a star or a role player and if the latter what we get from Doug and Alize.

Did you happen to catch the interview with Pritchard recently where he was talking about Alize Johnson? Pritch really praised his work ethic, aggressiveness, and overall "get after it" attitude. It was one of the interviews (podcasts) from 1070 the fan's website.

Wizop · Post #11 » by **Wizop** » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:36 pm

Tom White wrote:Did you happen to catch the interview with Pritchard recently where he was talking about Alize Johnson? Pritch really praised his work ethic, aggressiveness, and overall "get after it" attitude. It was one of the interviews (podcasts) from 1070 the fan's website.

I didn't, but I've seen similar things elsewhere. I've also read that he's working hard to be enough of a 3 point shooter to make people guard him outside. Alize and Doug are an interesting contrast. I don't expect Alize to get much PT as a rookie, but as Bogie ages, I can sure see that pair being an offense/defense substitution.

I think the first question to answer about 2019 free agents is which of our own guys on expiring contracts should return. don't we have 9 of them? I'm not ready to address that question yet, let alone float names from other teams.

HurricaneDij25 · Post #12 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:11 am

Gooner wrote:
Yeah,Bledsoe showed last season that he was overrated,

Bargain opportunity.

HurricaneDij25 · Post #13 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:18 am

Pacers_Freak wrote:Dang hoss.... 2018 training camp starts tomorrow. Lot to be excited about this year!

It's not that I'm not excited about the year, just envisioning the world of possibilities we're going to have going forward. That, and creating this year's version of "FA to pursue" thread. That said, bringing back relatively the same core as last season makes us a bit prone to complacency, however, after a surprise season last year.

Maybe Turner breaks out, maybe he doesn't. But to me, he has to improve dramatically to be worth $20 million a year IMO. I'd give that money to Harris over Turner 24/7. Keep in mind Tobias' rebound numbers were down last season in large part due to the fact he's played alongside the likes of Drummond and DeAndre Jordan.

Post #14 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:08 pm

HurricaneDij25 wrote:
Pacers_Freak wrote:Dang hoss.... 2018 training camp starts tomorrow. Lot to be excited about this year!

It's not that I'm not excited about the year, just envisioning the world of possibilities we're going to have going forward. That, and creating this year's version of "FA to pursue" thread. That said, bringing back relatively the same core as last season makes us a bit prone to complacency, however, after a surprise season last year.

Maybe Turner breaks out, maybe he doesn't. But to me, he has to improve dramatically to be worth $20 million a year IMO. I'd give that money to Harris over Turner 24/7. Keep in mind Tobias' rebound numbers were down last season in large part due to the fact he's played alongside the likes of Drummond and DeAndre Jordan.

That doesn’t quite explain his Orlando year’s, though. And he’s also a career 33% shooter from 3 if you leave out his magical season last year from 3. So, it’s hard to know what you’re getting. But at the least, you know you’re getting a lesser rebounding, lesser 3 pt shooter, lesser defender, and worse rim protector than Myles, while likely paying Tobias over $25m per season, and maybe even a max contract.

Wizop · Post #15 » by **Wizop** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:11 pm

HurricaneDij25 wrote:Maybe Turner breaks out, maybe he doesn't. But to me, he has to improve dramatically to be worth $20 million a year IMO.

I'm not sure where the salaries stand under the current cap. when it first jumped up a few years ago, 20 million looked like it was going to be the standard contract for quality starters with all stars getting up into the 30's. more recently those 20 million dollar contracts look like over pays to lucky players who were free agents in the right year. with the 2019 cap expected to be around 109, there isn't a lot of room to fill out a roster if all five starters take a combined 100. now 90 probably works and that's an average of 16. that could be two 30's and three 10's. three 30's probably can't be done without paying tax. one 30 leaves room for four 15's.

Vic will get 30 but the cap will be a little higher by that time. consider though that KAT just got almost 40. Vic will likely be eligible for super-max money next time. Myles has yet to be eligible for that and is a long way from deserving that. but that is a lot more than 20.

Sabonis is about to be extended at the favorable rates available from rookie deals and their extensions. I think that is more interested in getting a long contract than a much bigger one. DC and Bogie have probably peaked both on the court and in their paychecks. Reke didn't get huge offers this year and Doug is locked in. so I think there will be room for Myles to get around what Vic is getting now. Myles' play is certainly as good as Vic's was before his breakout year with us.

bottom line, I think Myles has earned at least a 16 to 20 million dollar offer. that's Tobias Harris type money. Deandre Jordan is getting 23. I can see Myles deserving that level but it'll take some growth this year ... given he's only 22, that is hardly impossible.

Pacers_Freak · Post #16 » by **Pacers_Freak** » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:48 pm

LOL I just realized that with all of the guys becomming free agents in 2019 we led off with getting rid of Myles for Eric Bledsoe :lol:

HurricaneDij25 · Post #17 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:49 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
HurricaneDij25 wrote:
Pacers_Freak wrote:Dang hoss.... 2018 training camp starts tomorrow. Lot to be excited about this year!

It's not that I'm not excited about the year, just envisioning the world of possibilities we're going to have going forward. That, and creating this year's version of "FA to pursue" thread. That said, bringing back relatively the same core as last season makes us a bit prone to complacency, however, after a surprise season last year.

Maybe Turner breaks out, maybe he doesn't. But to me, he has to improve dramatically to be worth $20 million a year IMO. I'd give that money to Harris over Turner 24/7. Keep in mind Tobias' rebound numbers were down last season in large part due to the fact he's played alongside the likes of Drummond and DeAndre Jordan.

That doesn’t quite explain his Orlando year’s, though. And he’s also a career 33% shooter from 3 if you leave out his magical season last year from 3. So, it’s hard to know what you’re getting. But at the least, you know you’re getting a lesser rebounding, lesser 3 pt shooter, lesser defender, and worse rim protector than Myles, while likely paying Tobias over $25m per season, and maybe even a max contract.

"Rim protection" is literally the only thing Turner has on Tobias, and of course a center's rebounding numbers are going to be higher than that of a tweener power forward, and the difference really isn't that significant as is. And rim protection is overrated in today's NBA, especially with LeBron James now in the other conference. Look, I don't want to turn this into a Turner bashing session on my part. I like his work ethic and positive outlook on things. It's simply a matter of him not being worth the money he's going to command - That is all.

HurricaneDij25 · Post #18 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:55 pm

Pacers_Freak wrote:LOL I just realized that with all of the guys becomming free agents in 2019 we led off with getting rid of Myles for Eric Bledsoe

That's the point - Most peeps realize that Bledsoe had been a bit overrated in recent years, which means we could get him at a price we couldn't have ever envisioned three years ago. Still a lot of talent in play. DC obviously is not our long-term solution at the point and Holiday is a project, so you get the idea...

HurricaneDij25 · Post #19 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:00 pm

Jake0890 wrote:Klay. Thompson.

A west coast guy that will never come here.

HurricaneDij25 · Post #20 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Wed Sep 26, 2018 11:02 pm

Tom White wrote:Oh, and if you really want to "close the books" from the Bird regime think of who else would need to go. Including most of the coaching staff, Pritchard and many others.

Not a word of what you have suggested makes any sense at all to me.

Well maybe that's because this is a thread about players and not front office executives or coaches. :roll: