MagicMatic wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
All I’m saying is that his reputation is to lean heavily on post play and playing people out of position - per every Hornets fan that lived through his tenure.
Having Clifford say that Vuc is integral to the offense and I see quotes like this -
“Stretching the floor, obviously, that’s the way the NBA is going,” Vucevic said. “That’s something I’ve worked on a lot. But Coach, he also said he wants to use me inside a lot. He saw how effective I was in the past years, especially two or three years ago, when we played a lot inside the way the NBA was going. He wants to go back to that some: have me score some easy ones inside, be inside-out, not only outside. I think that works perfect for me. I don’t want to be just running around the 3.
That’s going to piss off fans that are ****ing tired of watching Orlando struggle offensively using an outdated scheme. Orlando was terrible when Vuc was “effective” inside because it isn’t a dynamic offense and we’ve been using it as a crutch forever... Clifford won’t help that and these quotes solidify why people weren’t and aren’t excited. Add to that the fact that he’s not opposed to playing Bamba with Vuc and it’s exactly what Hornets fans warned us about with the hire. He literally says -
”One of the things that I’m hopeful of – and I don’t know if it will be this way from Day 1 – but that we will have a package of offense set to put in where they can play together some, too. I think so much of that will be dependent on whether they can play together, which I think they can”
How can he not see that won’t be effective and hasn’t worked since Vuc has been in the team next to various players. Starting Isaac isn’t justification for him being forward thinking. It’s expected with the extreme lack of talent. I’m fine with Bamba waiting and developing while Vuc starts.
What pisses me off is his approach to offense. Nothing he did in Charlotte was impressive with better talent. He played everyone out of position and played the roster “bigger” despite its ineffectiveness. This is what we assumed and were warned with his hiring. Even if you take everything he says to the media with a huge grain of salt, he isn’t doing himself any favors by reinforcing what people accused him of in Charlotte.
I just don’t see Vuc ever playing full time as a stretch 5. Why would you pull a very good rebounder out of the paint the entire time? It makes no sense to me. Add that Vuc is very slow. His 3 point shots mainly came from him trailing the ball down the court and getting an open 3.
When it comes to Bamba and Vuc, you have no real idea what will be effective or not. You are just guessing, while he is actually in practice watching it happen. He’s not a fool, if it sucks, he probably won’t deploy it that much. He even said basically that in the quote you posted.
And no, Isaac starting was not expected. You were complaining that Isaac most likely would not start just 6 weeks or so ago. A lot of people firmly expected it to be Evan and Ross just like last year. Let’s not rewrite history just to find zero reasons to give the coach any credit at all.
When did I say he wouldnt start? I simply don’t think him and AG will be effective on the court together. Also, I’m not “re-writing” history. I’m looking at what Hornets fans said when he was hired and putting two and two together per his quotes. This conversation has less to do with Vuc in particular and more to do with who Clifford is as a coach... You’re right. I don’t know what will exactly happen with Vuc and Bamba, but I don’t think Clifford does himself any favors by reinforcing what people were saying about him when he was hired.
You were assuming earlier this year that our young guys would not play much and clearly Isaac is a young guy. To be specific, the whole argument was “he didnb’t play Malik Monk much, why would he play Isaac?”.
I don’t see Clifford saying anything crazy. He’s starting Vuc, that’s expected. And he wants to get Bamba on the floor a lot so now and then he may play them both together. That’s honestly not the end of the world to me.
I mean half the people here are yelling that we have no talent at all and are woefully thin on the wings. So with that logic, is it the end of the world to roll out a huge lineup for 5 or so mins a game? I think it’s being dramatically overblown. I was one of the people expecting Vuc to be traded when we got Biz and Ibaka and thought we’d go small and rotate Ibaka/AG and Biz as our front court, so it’s not like I am not a fan of small ball.
To be honest I have no idea if I am going to like what Clifford does with the team or not, but I’m not going to get pissed off because he wants to mess with a big lineup now and then. Doesn’t seem worth getting that upset about.
