Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[twix2500]

It's a win compared to having Whiteside, Waiters, or Johnson on our team.

So none of those guys can help? You do realize all three played well vs the wolves.

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A lot of players played well against the Wolves this year, doesn't mean they are what you trade Jimmy Butler for.

Butler>Cap Space>Whiteside and Waiters.

There is no reason for the Wolves to help Butler or the Heat.

And those heat players played well against most of the nba. They are a playoff team with no star. There was not one player carrying the team. Each collectively contributed. That didn't happen with the Nets or hell any other team.

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[southern wolf]

Contracts are a two way street and players need to honor their commitments. There is no question that franchises are required to honor contracts, so I see it as perfectly legitimate that players be expected to do the same. At this point, I think giving in and accepting a terrible trade deal would be worse than the current situation.

I do not see how it helps the Wolves forcing him to play. Going to practice and games not engaged. As a fan is that something you want to see?

I have no problem forcing him to play. If Butler isn't professional about it, he's going to be hurting himself at least as much as the team. Plus, Butler's best (and maybe worst) character trait is he's too competitive, so I'm not terribly worried about him lacking engagement.

You can't force him to play, the locker room environment would be awful and it would show on the court.

[KGdaBom]

So none of those guys can help? You do realize all three played well vs the wolves.

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A lot of players played well against the Wolves this year, doesn't mean they are what you trade Jimmy Butler for.

Butler>Cap Space>Whiteside and Waiters.

There is no reason for the Wolves to help Butler or the Heat.

And those heat players played well against most of the nba. They are a playoff team with no star. There was not one player carrying the team. Each collectively contributed. That didn't happen with the Nets or hell any other team.

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They're not horrible for backup level players, but they are all paid starter money and Whiteside is paid superstar money. Way more than Butler is getting. Johnson about the same money as Butler. No, No A MILLION times no.

[twix2500]

twix-Even if you take out Richardson, and its Waiters/Whiteside for Dieng and Jimmy

Waiters/Whiteside do nothing for the Wolves, we're stuck with them for at least the next 2 years, and with waiters another year beyond that.

X'ing out Jimmys 20 mill after this year gives us cap space for next year without it being tied with those 2 scrubs. We're stuck with Dieng who expires with Waiters, but at least we have players we want a year earlier...and not having to deal with a couple of stiffs.

how is that bad?

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.





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[D1SGRUNTL3D]

twix-Even if you take out Richardson, and its Waiters/Whiteside for Dieng and Jimmy

Waiters/Whiteside do nothing for the Wolves, we're stuck with them for at least the next 2 years, and with waiters another year beyond that.

X'ing out Jimmys 20 mill after this year gives us cap space for next year without it being tied with those 2 scrubs. We're stuck with Dieng who expires with Waiters, but at least we have players we want a year earlier...and not having to deal with a couple of stiffs.

how is that bad?

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.





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help with what, lol

[Mattya]

So none of those guys can help? You do realize all three played well vs the wolves.

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A lot of players played well against the Wolves this year, doesn't mean they are what you trade Jimmy Butler for.

Butler>Cap Space>Whiteside and Waiters.

There is no reason for the Wolves to help Butler or the Heat.

And those heat players played well against most of the nba. They are a playoff team with no star. There was not one player carrying the team. Each collectively contributed. That didn't happen with the Nets or hell any other team.

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Eastern Conference playoff team...

and played well is subjective. Dion Waiters stats don't say he played well. Whiteside only shot 54% FG%. Those are rough sells for me. Poll the trade board if they would rather have the cap space or those players and their contracts and see what they say.

[wolves_89]

I do not see how it helps the Wolves forcing him to play. Going to practice and games not engaged. As a fan is that something you want to see?

I have no problem forcing him to play. If Butler isn't professional about it, he's going to be hurting himself at least as much as the team. Plus, Butler's best (and maybe worst) character trait is he's too competitive, so I'm not terribly worried about him lacking engagement.

You can't force him to play, the locker room environment would be awful and it would show on the court.

If Butler doesn't play he doesn't become a FA, plus I'm guessing there are options for fines that would make sitting out unsustainable. The locker room apparently wasn't good last season, so I think going forward would be possible especially since everyone knows Butler will be gone at some point (either the trade deadline or off-season).

[PharmD]

Explain, what are the Wolves gonna do with Butler freed up cap space next summer? You keep starting that it's a win by letting him walk.

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It's a win compared to having Whiteside, Waiters, or Johnson on our team.

So none of those guys can help? You do realize all three played well vs the wolves.

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All 3 are clearly negative assets. Cap space is better than each of them

[KGdaBom]

twix-Even if you take out Richardson, and its Waiters/Whiteside for Dieng and Jimmy

Waiters/Whiteside do nothing for the Wolves, we're stuck with them for at least the next 2 years, and with waiters another year beyond that.

X'ing out Jimmys 20 mill after this year gives us cap space for next year without it being tied with those 2 scrubs. We're stuck with Dieng who expires with Waiters, but at least we have players we want a year earlier...and not having to deal with a couple of stiffs.

how is that bad?

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.





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Than I would hate to see the Heat lose them if they're that good. You need to keep them. We keep Butler and everybody (but Butler LOL) is happy. Well maybe not Towns either, but that is really messed up.

[big3_8_19_21]

twix-Even if you take out Richardson, and its Waiters/Whiteside for Dieng and Jimmy

Waiters/Whiteside do nothing for the Wolves, we're stuck with them for at least the next 2 years, and with waiters another year beyond that.

X'ing out Jimmys 20 mill after this year gives us cap space for next year without it being tied with those 2 scrubs. We're stuck with Dieng who expires with Waiters, but at least we have players we want a year earlier...and not having to deal with a couple of stiffs.

how is that bad?

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.





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If Karl-Anthony Towns breaks every bone in his body, maybe.

You're the only poster of any fanbase that I have seen say that Waiters/Whiteside is anything but laughable. The Cavs tried to push Waiters on us 4 years ago when we were trading Kevin Love. We didn't want him then and we don't want him now. All that's changed on his end is that he's older and doesn't have the upside of a 22 year old anymore.

I would rather let Jimmy go for nothing than have to take on their multiple year, bloated contracts. That's not vindictive. I genuinely think that would be a better basketball move for the franchise.

Please stop trying to sell us on Waiters and Whiteside.

[twix2500]

twix-Even if you take out Richardson, and its Waiters/Whiteside for Dieng and Jimmy

Waiters/Whiteside do nothing for the Wolves, we're stuck with them for at least the next 2 years, and with waiters another year beyond that.

X'ing out Jimmys 20 mill after this year gives us cap space for next year without it being tied with those 2 scrubs. We're stuck with Dieng who expires with Waiters, but at least we have players we want a year earlier...and not having to deal with a couple of stiffs.

how is that bad?

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.





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help with what, lol

Defense, scoring in the paint from both of them. Something that the Wolves are horrible at. The same way they help the Heat. They will actually be better if they played with stars in their proper roles. Is Whiteside ideal next to towns, probably not. But he is wayyyyyyy better than Dieng is now. Waiters is better than any shooting guard on the Wolves roster.

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[big3_8_19_21]

It's a win compared to having Whiteside, Waiters, or Johnson on our team.

So none of those guys can help? You do realize all three played well vs the wolves.

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All 3 are clearly negative assets. Cap space is better than each of them

I'd also like to add that Ivica Zubac played well against the Wolves. We're not trading Jimmy Butler for him, either. If over-performing against the Wolves was any sort of valuation criterion, then Wes Matthews would have been our franchise centerpiece years ago.

[big3_8_19_21]

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.





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help with what, lol

Defense, scoring in the paint from both of them. Something that the Wolves are horrible at. The same way they help the Heat. They will actually be better if they played with stars in their proper roles. Is Whiteside ideal next to towns, probably not. But he is wayyyyyyy better than Dieng is now. Waiters is better than any shooting guard on the Wolves roster.

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Wolves were 4th in the league in points in the paint per game last season. Wolves bench defense was a huge, HUGE problem last year. Our starters were middle of the pack. We already upgraded our bench defense. No matter how you cut it, we're not improving defensively with Jimmy Butler LEAVING. And Whiteside is owed even more money than Dieng.

[Howard Cosell]

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.



Whiteside is not 10 million better than Dieng.

Pig Waiters is not anything Twolves want in a deal.

You are giving Twolves absolute sh^t and expect Twolves to say thank you. You add nothing but the same drivel of crap on a stick in a deal for Butler. You think you are being cute, but you will look like a moron when Heat don’t get Butler without Richardson in the deal.




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help with what, lol

Defense, scoring in the paint from both of them. Something that the Wolves are horrible at. The same way they help the Heat. They will actually be better if they played with stars in their proper roles. Is Whiteside ideal next to towns, probably not. But he is wayyyyyyy better than Dieng is now. Waiters is better than any shooting guard on the Wolves roster.

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[southern wolf]

I have no problem forcing him to play. If Butler isn't professional about it, he's going to be hurting himself at least as much as the team. Plus, Butler's best (and maybe worst) character trait is he's too competitive, so I'm not terribly worried about him lacking engagement.

You can't force him to play, the locker room environment would be awful and it would show on the court.

If Butler doesn't play he doesn't become a FA, plus I'm guessing there are options for fines that would make sitting out unsustainable. The locker room apparently wasn't good last season, so I think going forward would be possible especially since everyone knows Butler will be gone at some point (either the trade deadline or off-season).

Do you see us winning many games in that scenario? With a team that knows its best player doesn't want to be there?

[SBM]

Dragic, Bam and a 1st gets conversation started and that's for Butler and no-one else.

I still say he ends up in Milwaukee

[Howard Cosell]

Miami gets nothing without Richardson.

Their organization knows it...their fanbase is clueless.

[ifrosty13]

Why would my tweet be deleted?

I'll try again. I think the Waiters + Hassan trade scenario is speculation.

Woj and others have been reporting Dragic as the main guy heading to Minnesota, and it's well known Minnesota wanting Josh Richardson included in the trade. Hassan and Waiters trade value is dirt, while I don't believe Minnesota has great leverage (although with Miami you have more than is actually being said due to Miami's lack of cap space), I doubt they've had serious talks regarding Whiteside and Waiters.

Bumping this again because people keep bringing up Whiteside and Waiters when I'm pretty sure it's not something that's actually being talked about.

[KGdaBom]

They will help. Regardless if Whiteside is starting or coming off the bench. When healthy (which he wasn't last year) he is a 17 and 14 rbs player. Waiters is a jackle. If he is making shots he the best player on the Wolves team. If he's not yeah you have to sit him. 11 mill per is not a huge deal. And Waiters just turn 26, he still young.





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help with what, lol

Defense, scoring in the paint from both of them. Something that the Wolves are horrible at. The same way they help the Heat. They will actually be better if they played with stars in their proper roles. Is Whiteside ideal next to towns, probably not. But he is wayyyyyyy better than Dieng is now. Waiters is better than any shooting guard on the Wolves roster.

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Once again they are so good you couldn't possibly part with them. I would feel so guilty about how we robbed you blind.

[KGdaBom]

Dragic, Bam and a 1st gets conversation started and that's for Butler and no-one else.

I still say he ends up in Milwaukee

Only if we have a very good trade lined up to move Dragic too.