Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[KGdaBom]

Be smart, give guys who actually can dominate games maxes and anyone else try to get a good value.

AirP you are a very knowledgeable basketball mind, but I don't think you get how the NBA works salary wise. A top 30 player like Middleton without question is worth a max contract.

I wouldn't waste a max on him. He's averaged 20 ppg once in his career(last year), 4 asts, 5.2 reb, 36% from 3pt range and his ortg - drtg was 0(-3 the year before) but his vorp was 1.8.

If you're willing to give the max to someone like that, you better hope to retain Butler, he's a way more dominate player, pay him the max and just hope the cap keeps going up where his last year of the deal won't be nearly as bad as it would be using the current scale. As bad as people think the last year or 2 of his salary will be, they're looking at it form the current scale, not what it should be. I'm telling you people, with Butler this team will be close if not a contender this year, the added depth will help greatly with not just the bench but the ability to put defensive lineups on the floor when you need a stop. Middleton is no where close to Butler as a difference maker and only 2 years younger.

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Also, don't adding bad contracts with Towns locked up, get the best contracts you can and hopefully add another difference maker in a the near future.

I'd love to keep Butler, but I'm pretty sure we can't due to Taylor promising Towns that Butler will be moved. I've watched Middleton play a lot. He is amazing and getting better all the time. Think of this most teams will have two max contracts. so that makes for 60 max contracts. Middleton is top 30 according to most sources. He is worth a max.

[SBM]

Middleton is not max and he would not make a difference, still likely lottery so what's the point.

[southern wolf]

Middleton is not max and he would not make a difference, still likely lottery so what's the point.

He's a 20/5/4 player, he would definitely make a difference, but I think that rumour is BS anyway.

[Neal25]

Middleton is the best player of all names that have been linked with Butler´s trade and he also fits in our team, great shooter and doesn´t need ball to produce.

[shrink]

I have heard whispers that Middleton is not as good as he once was.

I don’t watch much Bucks, so can anyone confirm or deny this?

[KGdaBom]

Middleton is not max and he would not make a difference, still likely lottery so what's the point.

I really don't get the thinking that a consensus top 30 player in the NBA won't make a difference for us. No he's not a top ten player like Butler, but he is the closest thing to that we could possibly get.

[KGdaBom]

I have heard whispers that Middleton is not as good as he once was.

I don’t watch much Bucks, so can anyone confirm or deny this?

I watched the Bucks quite often and Middleton is great and still young. Only get better every game. Somebody here claimed his defense wasn't as good as it used to be and that is possibly true as I didn't watch him much before last year, but his defense is very good.

[_AIJ_]

I have heard whispers that Middleton is not as good as he once was.

I don’t watch much Bucks, so can anyone confirm or deny this?

I watched the Bucks quite often and Middleton is great and still young. Only get better every game. Somebody here claimed his defense wasn't as good as it used to be and that is possibly true as I didn't watch him much before last year, but his defense is very good.

Where are you from?


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[shrink]

I have heard whispers that Middleton is not as good as he once was.

I don’t watch much Bucks, so can anyone confirm or deny this?

I watched the Bucks quite often and Middleton is great and still young. Only get better every game. Somebody here claimed his defense wasn't as good as it used to be and that is possibly true as I didn't watch him much before last year, but his defense is very good.

Thanks. He’s ranked 28, 35, and 38 by SI, ESPN, CBS, fwiw.

He seemed to me to be a star complimentary player, when I took a deep dive two years ago, which is exactly what we could use. This gives Wiggins room to develop, and he plays one of the hardest positions to fill. I checked on his age, and he just turned 27 last month, so I think that works too.

[KGdaBom]

I have heard whispers that Middleton is not as good as he once was.

I don’t watch much Bucks, so can anyone confirm or deny this?

I watched the Bucks quite often and Middleton is great and still young. Only get better every game. Somebody here claimed his defense wasn't as good as it used to be and that is possibly true as I didn't watch him much before last year, but his defense is very good.

Where are you from?


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I was born in California, I'm from Minnesota and live in Arizona. The reason I watched a lot of the Bucks is that I love watching The Greek Freak.

[KGdaBom]

I have heard whispers that Middleton is not as good as he once was.

I don’t watch much Bucks, so can anyone confirm or deny this?

I watched the Bucks quite often and Middleton is great and still young. Only get better every game. Somebody here claimed his defense wasn't as good as it used to be and that is possibly true as I didn't watch him much before last year, but his defense is very good.

Thanks. He’s ranked 28, 35, and 38 by SI, ESPN, CBS, fwiw.

He seemed to me to be a star complimentary player, when I took a deep dive two years ago, which is exactly what we could use. This gives Wiggins room to develop, and he plays one of the hardest positions to fill. I checked on his age, and he just turned 27 last month, so I think that works too.

He makes a great Robin to Freaks Batman. Going by fantasy basketball rankings he was 30th on ESPN and 26th on Yahoo. Since I play a lot of fantasy hoops I go there first.

[_AIJ_]

I thought Middleton regressed last year? Or am i wrong?


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[KGdaBom]

I thought Middleton regressed last year? Or am i wrong?


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You're wrong. He had his best season so far. His 3 Pt % was down, but his true shooting was up. All the other numbers bigger and better. His 3% has been around 40% the rest of his career and if we get him there's a good chance that it will come back up from the 36% last year. His 2% was at 52% which is remarkable for a wing player. He's been just below 90% from the line for years.

[KGdaBom]

I found this report from yesterday on a site called Fadeaway world. They claim they got it from Zach Lowe, but that appears to be bogus.
Strangely, Jimmy Butler has yet to be traded, despite reports that he’d be gone by Thursday.

After the world found out he wanted out, the floodgates opened, with Miami, the Clippers, and Nets being the early front-runners. Rumors have it that the price remains steep, and it is what has likely kept him from already being traded.
In an attempt to get their hands in on the suddenly wide-open Jimmy sweepstakes, the Bucks are reportedly preparing an offer that centers around sharpshooting guard Khris Middleton, says ESPN’s Zach Lowe.
It makes a whole lot of sense, for both sides.
The Bucks finally get to pair Giannis with a second, two-dimensional star in Jimmy Butler, that would likely be enough to earn the team a top-4 seed in the LeBron-less Eastern Conference.
The Timberwolves would acquire a stellar shooting wing in Middleton, along with either a pick, a young prospect like Thon Maker, or both.
It’s a win-win for a couple of teams looking to change things up for the brand new season.

[KGdaBom]

The Heat supposedly made a "Final Offer" for Butler on Friday.

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Jimmy Butler update:
Multiple sources have told @5ReasonsSports & @FusaroESPN today that the Heat made what they deemed a "final offer" to the Wolves on Thursday morning & told the Wolves to sort out their situation.....
It is not clear if that has changed since....
3:17 PM - Sep 28, 2018

No word at all on what that final offer is.

[AirP.]

I'd love to keep Butler, but I'm pretty sure we can't due to Taylor promising Towns that Butler will be moved. I've watched Middleton play a lot. He is amazing and getting better all the time. Think of this most teams will have two max contracts. so that makes for 60 max contracts. Middleton is top 30 according to most sources. He is worth a max.

There are currently 46 players making 20 million or more.
There are currently only 26 players making 25 million or more.
(Those 2 lists include C.Bosh who isn't even playing basketball)

Some were overpaid by teams not to retain talent, some were overpaid for a team to acquire talent, this doesn't mean their worth their contracts. It is absolutely ridiculous to pay someone 25-30% of your cap if they aren't a game changer, it makes creating a contender extremely hard.

A team of 3 max contracts of Middleton, Porter and Wiggins does not have a bright future at all and aren't anywhere close to a max team of say... Towns, Butler and Irving. (It just insane that was actually possible for Minnesota)

[minimus]

I'd love to keep Butler, but I'm pretty sure we can't due to Taylor promising Towns that Butler will be moved. I've watched Middleton play a lot. He is amazing and getting better all the time. Think of this most teams will have two max contracts. so that makes for 60 max contracts. Middleton is top 30 according to most sources. He is worth a max.

There are currently 46 players making 20 million or more.
There are currently only 26 players making 25 million or more.
(Those 2 lists include C.Bosh who isn't even playing basketball)

Some were overpaid by teams not to retain talent, some were overpaid for a team to acquire talent, this doesn't mean their worth their contracts. It is absolutely ridiculous to pay someone 25-30% of your cap if they aren't a game changer, it makes creating a contender extremely hard.

A team of 3 max contracts of Middleton, Porter and Wiggins does not have a bright future at all and aren't anywhere close to a max team of say... Towns, Butler and Irving. (It just insane that was actually possible for Minnesota)

With KAT and Wiggins on max contracts I would like to see following contacts and players in our roster:

PF - versatile in defense stretch four who can hit open 3s. Contract 2-3 yrs, 7-8mil per year. Ideal fit and contract - PJ Tucker. Realistic target - JaMychal Green
SF - big, versatile in defense SF who can hit open 3s. Contract 3-4 yrs, 15-18mil per year. Ideal fit and contract - RoCo. Realistic target - ???
PG - big, versatile in defense PG who can hit open 3s, load both Wiggins and KAT in open court and half court. Contract 3-4 yrs, 15-18mil per year. Ideal fit and contract - Rubio. Realistic target - Tyus.

[KGdaBom]

I'd love to keep Butler, but I'm pretty sure we can't due to Taylor promising Towns that Butler will be moved. I've watched Middleton play a lot. He is amazing and getting better all the time. Think of this most teams will have two max contracts. so that makes for 60 max contracts. Middleton is top 30 according to most sources. He is worth a max.

There are currently 46 players making 20 million or more.
There are currently only 26 players making 25 million or more.
(Those 2 lists include C.Bosh who isn't even playing basketball)

Some were overpaid by teams not to retain talent, some were overpaid for a team to acquire talent, this doesn't mean their worth their contracts. It is absolutely ridiculous to pay someone 25-30% of your cap if they aren't a game changer, it makes creating a contender extremely hard.

A team of 3 max contracts of Middleton, Porter and Wiggins does not have a bright future at all and aren't anywhere close to a max team of say... Towns, Butler and Irving. (It just insane that was actually possible for Minnesota)

Stars win in the NBA. Not scrubs. Now if you want to settle for mediocrity that is one way to go. I'd rather go for the best player we can get. Quality trumps quantity every time. Also a team of Middleton/Porter/Towns IMO would have a bright future.

[AirP.]

I'd love to keep Butler, but I'm pretty sure we can't due to Taylor promising Towns that Butler will be moved. I've watched Middleton play a lot. He is amazing and getting better all the time. Think of this most teams will have two max contracts. so that makes for 60 max contracts. Middleton is top 30 according to most sources. He is worth a max.

There are currently 46 players making 20 million or more.
There are currently only 26 players making 25 million or more.
(Those 2 lists include C.Bosh who isn't even playing basketball)

Some were overpaid by teams not to retain talent, some were overpaid for a team to acquire talent, this doesn't mean their worth their contracts. It is absolutely ridiculous to pay someone 25-30% of your cap if they aren't a game changer, it makes creating a contender extremely hard.

A team of 3 max contracts of Middleton, Porter and Wiggins does not have a bright future at all and aren't anywhere close to a max team of say... Towns, Butler and Irving. (It just insane that was actually possible for Minnesota)

Stars win in the NBA. Not scrubs. Now if you want to settle for mediocrity that is one way to go. I'd rather go for the best player we can get. Quality trumps quantity every time. Also a team of Middleton/Porter/Towns IMO would have a bright future.

Right, stars, Porter and Middleton are not stars. Middleton has at least has came close to being an all-star, Porter not really.

[shrink]

Has anyone listened to the new Jonny K pod, and is willing to give a summary?