Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[Loyal[]Wolf]

The ultimate reality of Kat & Wiggins vs Jimmy is simply that glen probably doesn’t want to go over the cap paying jimmy 190m which is slightly understandable.

I’m pretty sure if glen was willing to pay jimmy there would be no issues. Kat and Wiggins probably don’t “love” jimmy but don’t hate him. I’m sure all of us can relate to that by having a colleague you dislike or don’t always get along with.

Doesn’t mean you just stop going to work or ask for that person to be fired.

If we weren't willing to supermax Jimmy when his contract expired we shouldn't have traded for him in the first place. If that is the case I despise Taylor. It seems that all the problems with the Wolves can be traced back to Taylor and people are trying to make Scapegoats out of Thibs and Butler.

It's always been Taylor. Get a new owner and watch our team blossom.

[FargoWolf]

Wouldn't shock me at all if Glen is to blame, in fact it makes a lot of sense when you take a step back and think about it.

[AirP.]

The ultimate reality of Kat & Wiggins vs Jimmy is simply that glen probably doesn’t want to go over the cap paying jimmy 190m which is slightly understandable.

I’m pretty sure if glen was willing to pay jimmy there would be no issues. Kat and Wiggins probably don’t “love” jimmy but don’t hate him. I’m sure all of us can relate to that by having a colleague you dislike or don’t always get along with.

Doesn’t mean you just stop going to work or ask for that person to be fired.

If we weren't willing to supermax Jimmy when his contract expired we shouldn't have traded for him in the first place. If that is the case I despise Taylor. It seems that all the problems with the Wolves can be traced back to Taylor and people are trying to make Scapegoats out of Thibs and Butler.

The injury near the end of the season may have scared him(Taylor). Everyone got mad at Butler for the request, but it's only been reported it's about money, so if money is the issue and Butler wants out, that basically means what I've been saying since the news broke, Butler or his agent has a huge indication of what Taylor is willing to offer. Think of it this way, Butler has transformed this team into a playoff team, he's highly disappointed with Wiggins and his effort towards winning, it's got to be a huge slap in the face to have an indication that the owner is only willing to pay you somewhere in the ballpark he gave to Wiggins without him doing anything but scoring 23 a night, not good defense, not good rebounding, absolutely no play making for others.

From what I've seen in just 2 years from Taylor lets me know why this franchise hasn't been good. It absolutely sucks to have a bad owner because you know something stupid is just around the corner. My god, you don't use a consultant company to hire a coach/POBO, understand he believes in winning, hire that coach/POBO and then not let him make the moves for his style.

Come on people... Taylor went to the media to let everyone know he had a max for Wiggins to sign and then waited nearly 2 months for Wiggins to finally sign it. This year Taylor tells other owners/GMs to come to him with a good offer. At this point, you gotta get someone in the FO/Coach who can manipulate the owner to doing the right thing, Thibs isn't like that, he's pretty straight forward.

[KGdaBom]

The ultimate reality of Kat & Wiggins vs Jimmy is simply that glen probably doesn’t want to go over the cap paying jimmy 190m which is slightly understandable.

I’m pretty sure if glen was willing to pay jimmy there would be no issues. Kat and Wiggins probably don’t “love” jimmy but don’t hate him. I’m sure all of us can relate to that by having a colleague you dislike or don’t always get along with.

Doesn’t mean you just stop going to work or ask for that person to be fired.

If we weren't willing to supermax Jimmy when his contract expired we shouldn't have traded for him in the first place. If that is the case I despise Taylor. It seems that all the problems with the Wolves can be traced back to Taylor and people are trying to make Scapegoats out of Thibs and Butler.

The injury near the end of the season may have scared him(Taylor). Everyone got mad at Butler for the request, but it's only been reported it's about money, so if money is the issue and Butler wants out, that basically means what I've been saying since the news broke, Butler or his agent has a huge indication of what Taylor is willing to offer. Think of it this way, Butler has transformed this team into a playoff team, he's highly disappointed with Wiggins and his effort towards winning, it's got to be a huge slap in the face to have an indication that the owner is only willing to pay you somewhere in the ballpark he gave to Wiggins without him doing anything but scoring 23 a night, not good defense, not good rebounding, absolutely no play making for others.

From what I've seen in just 2 years from Taylor lets me know why this franchise hasn't been good. It absolutely sucks to have a bad owner because you know something stupid is just around the corner. My god, you don't use a consultant company to hire a coach/POBO, understand he believes in winning, hire that coach/POBO and then not let him make the moves for his style.

Come on people... Taylor went to the media to let everyone know he had a max for Wiggins to sign and then waited nearly 2 months for Wiggins to finally sign it. This year Taylor tells other owners/GMs to come to him with a good offer. At this point, you gotta get someone in the FO/Coach who can manipulate the owner to doing the right thing, Thibs isn't like that, he's pretty straight forward.

[KGdaBom]

If Taylor wasn't willing to Supermax Butler next year why on earth would he let anybody know about it? Just horrible business. See how the season is playing out and if Butler isn't playing at the same level than trade him to somebody who needs him without destroying his value first. If things are going well than suck it up and plan to supermax him. Sure it's a risk, but no risk no reward.

[Calinks]

The ultimate reality of Kat & Wiggins vs Jimmy is simply that glen probably doesn’t want to go over the cap paying jimmy 190m which is slightly understandable.

I’m pretty sure if glen was willing to pay jimmy there would be no issues. Kat and Wiggins probably don’t “love” jimmy but don’t hate him. I’m sure all of us can relate to that by having a colleague you dislike or don’t always get along with.

Doesn’t mean you just stop going to work or ask for that person to be fired.

If we weren't willing to supermax Jimmy when his contract expired we shouldn't have traded for him in the first place. If that is the case I despise Taylor. It seems that all the problems with the Wolves can be traced back to Taylor and people are trying to make Scapegoats out of Thibs and Butler.

It's always been Taylor. Get a new owner and watch our team blossom.

Or watch the team get moved to Vegas.

[shangrila]

If we weren't willing to supermax Jimmy when his contract expired we shouldn't have traded for him in the first place. If that is the case I despise Taylor. It seems that all the problems with the Wolves can be traced back to Taylor and people are trying to make Scapegoats out of Thibs and Butler.

It's always been Taylor. Get a new owner and watch our team blossom.

Or watch the team get moved to Vegas.

At least it would make sense that we're in the West then.

[Neeva]

I’d still be a fan I live nowhere close to Minneapolis lol

If we weren't willing to supermax Jimmy when his contract expired we shouldn't have traded for him in the first place. If that is the case I despise Taylor. It seems that all the problems with the Wolves can be traced back to Taylor and people are trying to make Scapegoats out of Thibs and Butler.

It's always been Taylor. Get a new owner and watch our team blossom.

Or watch the team get moved to Vegas.

[minimus]

The only thing that can save this season for us is bad season start for other team, so will consider a trade for Butler. Let say MIA, MIL, HOU will fail hard at the beginning of the season. At the moment I wonder if any bidding war exists, because everyone understands how messy is situation in MIN.

[PharmD]

lol @ 'Glen didn't let Thibs make HIS moves!'. We have more 11-12 Bulls on our roster than 16-17 Timberwolves. Thibs was able to mortgage the farm for Butler, trade Glen's favorite player, pay double market value for Taj, etc

[Domejandro]

MIN: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock, and Detroit's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*
OUT: Jimmy Butler and Gorgui Dieng

Why for Minnesota? Get an All-Star caliber front-court partner next to Karl-Anthony Towns (that we can pretend we are only paying twenty million dollars to thanks to Gorgui!), a good player in Reggie Bullock, open up just enough money to get a minimum contract slot under the luxury-tax, and get a First Round Draft Pick

DET: Jimmy Butler and Gorgui Dieng
OUT: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock, and Detroit's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*

Why for Detroit? Get a top ten player in Jimmy Butler, make a playoff push on the season, and cut Blake Griffin's contract.

*2019: 1-8 Protected ; 2020: 1-5 Protected ; 2021: 1-3 Protected ; 2022: Unprotected

[minimus]

MIN: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock, and Detroit's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*
OUT: Jimmy Butler and Gorgui Dieng

Why for Minnesota? Get an All-Star caliber front-court partner next to Karl-Anthony Towns (that we can pretend we are only paying twenty million dollars to thanks to Gorgui!), a good player in Reggie Bullock, open up just enough money to get a minimum contract slot under the luxury-tax, and get a First Round Draft Pick

DET: Jimmy Butler and Gorgui Dieng
OUT: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock, and Detroit's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*

Why for Detroit? Get a top ten player in Jimmy Butler, make a playoff push on the season, and cut Blake Griffin's contract.

*2019: 1-8 Protected ; 2020: 1-5 Protected ; 2021: 1-3 Protected ; 2022: Unprotected

Dont want Griffin and his contract in this team. Absolutely no.

[deepestblue]

I’d still be a fan I live nowhere close to Minneapolis lol

It's always been Taylor. Get a new owner and watch our team blossom.

Or watch the team get moved to Vegas.

Or prepare to be a fan of this team



The last time Taylor looked around, there were apparently no buyers interested in keeping the team in MN. Other than Flip, who didn't have any money man leads at the time according to Taylor.

[PharmD]

The Wolves' lease runs through 2032.

[Domejandro]

MIN: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock, and Detroit's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*
OUT: Jimmy Butler and Gorgui Dieng

Why for Minnesota? Get an All-Star caliber front-court partner next to Karl-Anthony Towns (that we can pretend we are only paying twenty million dollars to thanks to Gorgui!), a good player in Reggie Bullock, open up just enough money to get a minimum contract slot under the luxury-tax, and get a First Round Draft Pick

DET: Jimmy Butler and Gorgui Dieng
OUT: Blake Griffin, Reggie Bullock, and Detroit's 2019 First Round Draft Pick*

Why for Detroit? Get a top ten player in Jimmy Butler, make a playoff push on the season, and cut Blake Griffin's contract.

*2019: 1-8 Protected ; 2020: 1-5 Protected ; 2021: 1-3 Protected ; 2022: Unprotected

Dont want Griffin and his contract in this team. Absolutely no.

I would keep in mind that with Gorgui's inclusion that the salaries of Griffin look more like 17, 18, and 19 (with the brutal final last season, of course), and Reggie Bullock is an excellent player in his own right (44% three-point shooter on 4.5 shots a game with solid defense!).

Blake Griffin's contract sucks, but he is still a phenomenal team-player, and gives Minnesota pretty solid roster.

Jeff Teague / Tyus Jones
Andrew Wiggins / Derrick Rose / Josh Okogie
Reggie Bullock / Keita-Bates Diop / James Nunnally
Blake Griffin / Anthony Tolliver / Luol Deng
Karl-Anthony Towns / Taj Gibson

IE: Justin Patton + 1Min

[Neal25]

Bucks are good trade partners because of picks and young guys and expirings not Middleton.

Youngs guys and picks are so much more exciting than Middleton.

This team isn´t rebuilding. We need to get players to be as competitive as possible.

Regarding Charlotte offer, I´d just accept either MKG or Marvin Williams and with Monk in the trade instead of picks.

[minimus]

Bucks are good trade partners because of picks and young guys and expirings not Middleton.

Youngs guys and picks are so much more exciting than Middleton.

This team isn´t rebuilding. We need to get players to be as competitive as possible.

Regarding Charlotte offer, I´d just accept either MKG or Marvin Williams and with Monk in the trade instead of picks.

Middleton, DeVincenzo + FRP would be a decent offer.

[shrink]

Did I miss something? Where was it ever reported that Taylor wouldn’t pay the super-max at the end of the season?

Last I heard, Jimmy’s people reportedly said he was frustrated about the money because MIN wouldn’t get $30 mil under the cap (not lux) to renegotiate his deal, not because Taylor refused to pay the supermax this summer?

[Whole Truth]

If you believe KAT in that interview you are being willfully gullible. He isn’t going to bring more drama in an interview like that by talking badly about Butler. Every single one of the players is probably getting coached by the team with set responses about Butler as to not weaken our position with the trade negotiations. If KAT says, “Yeah I refuse to play with that jerk!” In and interview you can kiss any leverage you had goodbye.

I fully understand that people lie. I had already lost a lot of respect for KAT when I heard about the ultimatum. So either he's telling the truth and my respect is restored or he is lying and I can never respect him again. The level of low if he is lying is beyond my tolerance.

I'll point out 2 things without putting in my opinion or take.

- Kat waited & didn't sign an extension till Butler said he wanted out, not in.

- Wiggins one half of the accused brother got on social media right after & said, thank God he's gone.

I think you were on the right track with targeting Middleton for Butler if Bucks are willing.

[Norseman79]

I am at the point that I believe the first legit offer, regardless of pieces, gets this trade done. If this is not the case, then we will be holding on to Jimmy for a while. A. if we need to roll with Taj, Towns, Tolliver and Dieng as our big men this season, we should be fine. Nice combo, and it gives a chance for Dieng to raise his value - which just needs some playing time. B. I don't like Rose starting at the 2, but he and Teague make a fast backcourt and if their 3pt shooting can be average to above, should cause match up issues. C. It's put up or shut up time for Wiggins (whom I love, and have backed, but time to see measurable growth). D. We will see if Tom can coach. If Okogie and KBD are getting solid minutes I believe they can contribute. This will be on Tom to get a rotation down and play match up basketball. Without Jimmy we are a fringe team in the West, but we could be a playoff team just as easy as missing the playoffs depending on Thibs and Wiggs. If Jimmy isn't gone by the end of preseason, I think it is safe to say he will be around until teams are able to trade draft picks and free agents and who knows what can happen by that time.