Andrew Wiggins auction

[jazzfan1971]

No one in their right mind would take both Wiggins and Dieng unless the Wolves were adding some serious compensation. Orlando makes a lot of sense for Wiggins to me, but not for expirings. I like the Wiggins for Fournier+??? deal that has been floated before.

John Hammond: Any interest in Wiggins, Dieng for Fournier, Ross, and Vucevic?

[babyjax13]

No one in their right mind would take both Wiggins and Dieng unless the Wolves were adding some serious compensation. Orlando makes a lot of sense for Wiggins to me, but not for expirings. I like the Wiggins for Fournier+??? deal that has been floated before.

John Hammond: Any interest in Wiggins, Dieng for Fournier, Ross, and Vucevic?

Send your first round picks unprotected every other year to eternity, and maybe. I think the premise here is just unreasonable, it's going to be impossible to move both to the same team - it at least needs to be a three team deal, and Minnesota is going to have to send out some compensation.

[jazzfan1971]

Send your first round picks unprotected every other year to eternity, and maybe. I think the premise here is just unreasonable, it's going to be impossible to move both to the same team - it at least needs to be a three team deal, and Minnesota is going to have to send out some compensation.

Allow me to rebut your argument with a couple thousand words.

[babyjax13]

Send your first round picks unprotected every other year to eternity, and maybe. I think the premise here is just unreasonable, it's going to be impossible to move both to the same team - it at least needs to be a three team deal, and Minnesota is going to have to send out some compensation.

Allow me to rebut your argument with a couple thousand words.

I'm not sure the point here? I'm saying no one is going to take $43-46 million a year of below-average players without compensation. Someone might take a shot on Wiggins for free, maybe even send some small asset back. No one is going to do the same for Dieng, and moving the two together is counterproductive.

[psman2]

If Wiggins continues on his current trajectory then this is likely the last year the Wolves could dupe some other franchise to erase their mistake of maxing Wiggins. Expirings and a 2nd or recent disappointing 1st rounder is about the most value I could see the Wolves getting at this point. There will be no 1st coming back to Minny unless they are taking on a lot of bad salary as well which seems like the opposite of the thing you want since your trying to dump Dieng here as well.

He is on track to be a worst version of Corey Maggette making max dollars for 5 more years that is not a player that is going to have much or any positive trade value.

As a Memphis fan I am resigned to the fact that we are not going to do a full rebuild any time soon so I would think about swapping him for Parsons which shaves 3 huge years off of Wiggins contract, but I would not include anything more than a 2nd rounder.

[Vae Victus]

2 ideas that i've posted at length at one point or the other while talking about dumping Wiggins.

ATL trades
Bazemore 19m + Miles Plumlee 12.5m for Wiggins + SRP + Cash

Get a usable wing in Bazemore plus a much shorter bad deal in Plumlee to get out of Wiggins big bad deal. Then convince Butler to give the team a chance and try to smooth things over between KAT and Butler. KAT Is under contract and with his other #1 pick buddy shipped out, hopefully it'll serve as a wakeup call.

ATL takes a swing at a high potential player by sending out deals that was already clogging their 2019 salary cap. If Wiggins wakes up, maybe he'll start earning his contract. Very risky move though.

SAC trades
Shumpert, ZBo, Koufos for Wiggins + prot 1-10 FRP + Cash

Straight up cap purging after a year. Again ask Butler to give the team a chance (in essence if Butler is around theyll make playoffs sans Wiggins). Giving up the FRP really bites, but the team needs to make a statement to KAT and getting out of WIggins deal in a year means they can be players in FA if Butler leaves still. Team is basically KAT, Dieng, Teague, and rookie deals, can open up another max slot be either declining Patton, Teague opts out, or finding a way to turn Teague or Dieng's deal into a smaller one.

These trades are horrid value for a young high "potential" player, but i'd seriously float these ideas if Butler is willing to stick around after dumping WIggins.

[The Beam King]

Wiggins to Sacramento for Shumpert, Koufos and McLemore.

That's the only team I can see giving up expirings for Wiggins.

Could we add in Dieng and you throw in Zach Randolph and a top 20 protected 1st that eventually converts into 2nds?

Haha NO. If anything taking on Dieng should be sending a first to sacramento

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[Stillwater]

Long shot but maybe at the dl if Butler has sat out half the season and the Wolves are sub 500 along with many other factors such as the Magic still struggling with AG as their top player, along with Denver wanting to make a big upgrade defensively and feel they can contend & retain Jimmy.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7118699
Wolves out: Butler,Wiggins, 2019 first lottery protected for 2 years then 2 seconds.
Wolves in: Aaron Gordon,Terrence Ross(expiring), Simmons,Frazier, 2019 first from Denver if 1-12 and not transferred to Nets, or 2021 first unprotected if 2019 first falls between 13-30 going to the Nets, Orlando's 2019 first lottery protected,then top 5 protected,then extinguished.Draft rights to Petr Cornelie from Denver.
Denver out: Harris,Lyles,2019 first if 1-12 and not transferred to Nets, or 2021 first unprotected if 2019 first falls between 13-30 going to the Nets.Draft rights to Petr Cornelie .
Denver in: Butler, 2019 second round draft pick from ORL via BKN.
Orlando out : Gordon,Ross(expiring) Simmons,Frazier, 2019 first lottery protected,top 5 protected then extinguished,2019 second round draft pick from BKN,
Orlando in: Wiggins,Harris,Lyles,Wolves 2019 first lottery protected for 2 years then 2 seconds,2019 second round draft pick from Denver via Washington.

I'm getting vertigo trying to read your post the way it's formatted. Gimme a sec.

whoh

So, we give up both Wiggins and Butler and get back Gordon basically? Oh, and I have to give up a 1st? I can't be sending out firsts as a rebuilding team. Take that out and we'll talk.

In this scenario Wolves get Gordon who isn't a flight risk, a guaranteed 1st from Denver likely 2021 or if you are lucky 11 or 12th in 2019.Wolves will get the Orlando first in 2020 when the protection drops to top 5 or in 2019 if Orlando makes the playoffs this season(doubtful).
Ross is very serviceable as a starter and expiring if you don't want to keep him,and Simmons can play solid rotation minutes add the rookie Frazier who will be a defensive dynamo and the rights to a Euro backup big.
That is a haul for an expiring disgruntled all star and an under performing former #1 pick with one of the worst contracts in the league.
The first you are giving up is lottery protected for 2 years then becomes 2 seconds. So if you are bad enough to need the pick you will retain it anyway.
Every team wins in this one.

[jazzfan1971]

Long shot but maybe at the dl if Butler has sat out half the season and the Wolves are sub 500 along with many other factors such as the Magic still struggling with AG as their top player, along with Denver wanting to make a big upgrade defensively and feel they can contend & retain Jimmy.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7118699
Wolves out: Butler,Wiggins, 2019 first lottery protected for 2 years then 2 seconds.
Wolves in: Aaron Gordon,Terrence Ross(expiring), Simmons,Frazier, 2019 first from Denver if 1-12 and not transferred to Nets, or 2021 first unprotected if 2019 first falls between 13-30 going to the Nets, Orlando's 2019 first lottery protected,then top 5 protected,then extinguished.Draft rights to Petr Cornelie from Denver.
Denver out: Harris,Lyles,2019 first if 1-12 and not transferred to Nets, or 2021 first unprotected if 2019 first falls between 13-30 going to the Nets.Draft rights to Petr Cornelie .
Denver in: Butler, 2019 second round draft pick from ORL via BKN.
Orlando out : Gordon,Ross(expiring) Simmons,Frazier, 2019 first lottery protected,top 5 protected then extinguished,2019 second round draft pick from BKN,
Orlando in: Wiggins,Harris,Lyles,Wolves 2019 first lottery protected for 2 years then 2 seconds,2019 second round draft pick from Denver via Washington.

I'm getting vertigo trying to read your post the way it's formatted. Gimme a sec.

whoh

So, we give up both Wiggins and Butler and get back Gordon basically? Oh, and I have to give up a 1st? I can't be sending out firsts as a rebuilding team. Take that out and we'll talk.

In this scenario Wolves get Gordon who isn't a flight risk, a guaranteed 1st from Denver likely 2021 or if you are lucky 11 or 12th in 2019.Wolves will get the Orlando first in 2020 when the protection drops to top 5 or in 2019 if Orlando makes the playoffs this season(doubtful).
Ross is very serviceable as a starter and expiring if you don't want to keep him,and Simmons can play solid rotation minutes add the rookie Frazier who will be a defensive dynamo and the rights to a Euro backup big.
That is a haul for an expiring disgruntled all star and an under performing former #1 pick with one of the worst contracts in the league.
The first you are giving up is lottery protected for 2 years then becomes 2 seconds. So if you are bad enough to need the pick you will retain it anyway.
Every team wins in this one.

Very well. I accept your offer. Nice working with you.

[bigmean]

Minnesota gets: Eric Gordon, Tristan Thompson
Minnesota gives: Andrew Wiggins

Houston gets: Andrew Wiggins Ante Zizic
HOouston gives: Pj Tucker, Eric Gordon, Nene

Cleveland gets: Hassan Whiteside, Pj Tucker
Cleveland gives: kyle korver, Tristan Thompson, Ante Zizic

Miami gets: Kyle Korver, Nene
Miami gives: Hassan Whiteside

Minnesota gets two quality players for Wiggins. Gordon is just of good scorer as wiggins. Thompson is ugrade to the bench

Houston gets there third star and youth at center zizic

Cleveland consolidated assets and get a sometimes disinterested center... should be upgrade tucket solid starters

Miami gets out of luxary tax hell and shaves off 14 million this year. Bam is future of center. Nene is a solid throw in despite his old age as well as korver

[psman2]

Minnesota gets: Eric Gordon, Tristan Thompson
Minnesota gives: Andrew Wiggins

Houston gets: Andrew Wiggins Ante Zizic
HOouston gives: Pj Tucker, Eric Gordon, Nene

Cleveland gets: Hassan Whiteside, Pj Tucker
Cleveland gives: kyle korver, Tristan Thompson, Ante Zizic

Miami gets: Kyle Korver, Nene
Miami gives: Hassan Whiteside

Minnesota gets two quality players for Wiggins. Gordon is just of good scorer as wiggins. Thompson is ugrade to the bench

Houston gets there third star and youth at center zizic

Cleveland consolidated assets and get a sometimes disinterested center... should be upgrade tucket solid starters

Miami gets out of luxary tax hell and shaves off 14 million this year. Bam is future of center. Nene is a solid throw in despite his old age as well as korver

I would take Tucker and Gordon 10 times out of 10 over Wiggins. Houston doesn't need a third star that can only contribute on the offensive end and even then not very efficiently. Wiggins needs to go to a team that needs his offense, Houston is about the last place he is needed and his salary would make their cap and luxury tax a nightmare. Houston is a win now mode, they are not trading good positive on the court players for a guy who has never contributed to winning. You're trading up the wrong tree here for Wiggins.

And Houston already has 2 young C projects so no need for Zizic.

[bigmean]

You will see that hartenstein and chriss are clearly centers. Wiggins is still top 65 player... imagine what harden and paul can do for wiggins

[ThatBoyNick]

Minnesota gets: Eric Gordon, Tristan Thompson
Minnesota gives: Andrew Wiggins

Houston gets: Andrew Wiggins Ante Zizic
HOouston gives: Pj Tucker, Eric Gordon, Nene

Cleveland gets: Hassan Whiteside, Pj Tucker
Cleveland gives: kyle korver, Tristan Thompson, Ante Zizic

Miami gets: Kyle Korver, Nene
Miami gives: Hassan Whiteside

Minnesota gets two quality players for Wiggins. Gordon is just of good scorer as wiggins. Thompson is ugrade to the bench

Houston gets there third star and youth at center zizic

Cleveland consolidated assets and get a sometimes disinterested center... should be upgrade tucket solid starters

Miami gets out of luxary tax hell and shaves off 14 million this year. Bam is future of center. Nene is a solid throw in despite his old age as well as korver

This is SO bad for Hou.

[psman2]

You will see that hartenstein and chriss are clearly centers. Wiggins is still top 65 player... imagine what harden and paul can do for wiggins

If Wiggins is a top 65 player then the Twolves should keep him because no one is going to pay for him based on that evaluation. His RPM and Win Share clearly have him out of the top 100 every year. He has never had a positive BPM or Vorp either, advance stats don't tell everything but are definitely a indicator of positive/negative impact on the court. I can easily think off a 150 players I would rather have than Wiggins on his contract.

[the_process]

Thibs, it’s John Hammond again. What if the deal was Vucevic, Ross, Augustin, J. Simmons, 2020 OKC 1st, and 2019 ORL 2nd for Wiggins, Dieng, and Tyus Jones?

[giberish]

Minnesota gets: Eric Gordon, Tristan Thompson
Minnesota gives: Andrew Wiggins

Houston gets: Andrew Wiggins Ante Zizic
HOouston gives: Pj Tucker, Eric Gordon, Nene

Cleveland gets: Hassan Whiteside, Pj Tucker
Cleveland gives: kyle korver, Tristan Thompson, Ante Zizic

Miami gets: Kyle Korver, Nene
Miami gives: Hassan Whiteside

Minnesota gets two quality players for Wiggins. Gordon is just of good scorer as wiggins. Thompson is ugrade to the bench

Houston gets there third star and youth at center zizic

Cleveland consolidated assets and get a sometimes disinterested center... should be upgrade tucket solid starters

Miami gets out of luxary tax hell and shaves off 14 million this year. Bam is future of center. Nene is a solid throw in despite his old age as well as korver

This is SO bad for Hou.

that - and if Houston considered the deal why are the other teams involved. Gordon + Tucker is far, far better then Gordon + Thompson (who has no rotation role for Minny).

[NYG]

If Wiggins continues on his current trajectory then this is likely the last year the Wolves could dupe some other franchise to erase their mistake of maxing Wiggins. Expirings and a 2nd or recent disappointing 1st rounder is about the most value I could see the Wolves getting at this point. There will be no 1st coming back to Minny unless they are taking on a lot of bad salary as well which seems like the opposite of the thing you want since your trying to dump Dieng here as well.

He is on track to be a worst version of Corey Maggette making max dollars for 5 more years that is not a player that is going to have much or any positive trade value.

As a Memphis fan I am resigned to the fact that we are not going to do a full rebuild any time soon so I would think about swapping him for Parsons which shaves 3 huge years off of Wiggins contract, but I would not include anything more than a 2nd rounder.

I could see a deal similar to when Rudy Gay was traded to Sacramento. A few underrated role players that break up the contract into multiple smaller ones.

[Resistance]

If Wiggins continues on his current trajectory then this is likely the last year the Wolves could dupe some other franchise to erase their mistake of maxing Wiggins. Expirings and a 2nd or recent disappointing 1st rounder is about the most value I could see the Wolves getting at this point. There will be no 1st coming back to Minny unless they are taking on a lot of bad salary as well which seems like the opposite of the thing you want since your trying to dump Dieng here as well.

He is on track to be a worst version of Corey Maggette making max dollars for 5 more years that is not a player that is going to have much or any positive trade value.

As a Memphis fan I am resigned to the fact that we are not going to do a full rebuild any time soon so I would think about swapping him for Parsons which shaves 3 huge years off of Wiggins contract, but I would not include anything more than a 2nd rounder.

I could see a deal similar to when Rudy Gay was traded to Sacramento. A few underrated role players that break up the contract into multiple smaller ones.

Rudy spent some time with Memphis on his contract while a team taking Wiggins this season would be taking on a more daunting challenge. The 2015 - 16 and 2016 - 17 seasons were under a contract extension for a lower annual salary.

Rudy Gay
2010 - 11....2011 - 12.....2012 - 13.....2013 - 14.....2014 - 15.....2015 - 16.....2016 - 17
Memphis....Memphis.....Mem/Tor.....Tor/Sac.....Sac............Sac.............Sac
$13.6........$15............$16.4...........$17.9.........$19.3.........$12.4.........$13.3

Andrew Wiggins
2018 - 19....2019 - 20.....2020 - 21.....2021 - 22.....2022 - 23
Minnesota..Minnesota...Minnesota....Minnesota...Minnesota
$25.5.........$27.3.........$29.3..........$31.3..........$33.3

[shrink]

If Wiggins continues on his current trajectory then this is likely the last year the Wolves could dupe some other franchise to erase their mistake of maxing Wiggins. Expirings and a 2nd or recent disappointing 1st rounder is about the most value I could see the Wolves getting at this point. There will be no 1st coming back to Minny unless they are taking on a lot of bad salary as well which seems like the opposite of the thing you want since your trying to dump Dieng here as well.

He is on track to be a worst version of Corey Maggette making max dollars for 5 more years that is not a player that is going to have much or any positive trade value.

As a Memphis fan I am resigned to the fact that we are not going to do a full rebuild any time soon so I would think about swapping him for Parsons which shaves 3 huge years off of Wiggins contract, but I would not include anything more than a 2nd rounder.

I could see a deal similar to when Rudy Gay was traded to Sacramento. A few underrated role players that break up the contract into multiple smaller ones.

Rudy spent some time with Memphis on his contract while a team taking Wiggins this season would be taking on a more daunting challenge. The 2015 - 16 and 2016 - 17 seasons were under a contract extension for a lower annual salary.

Rudy Gay
2010 - 11....2011 - 12.....2012 - 13.....2013 - 14.....2014 - 15.....2015 - 16.....2016 - 17
Memphis....Memphis.....Mem/Tor.....Tor/Sac.....Sac............Sac.............Sac
$13.6........$15............$16.4...........$17.9.........$19.3.........$12.4.........$13.3

Andrew Wiggins
2018 - 19....2019 - 20.....2020 - 21.....2021 - 22.....2022 - 23
Minnesota..Minnesota...Minnesota....Minnesota...Minnesota
$25.5.........$27.3.........$29.3..........$31.3..........$33.3

Thanks for posting that, Resistance.

For a point of comparison, the cap in 2010-11 was $58. The cap this year is $102, next year it’s projected to be around $109, and $118 the year after that.

Removing the final two year extension on Gay’s deal shows a similarity in concept. We have seen several, non-destination teams lock promising players like Wiggins and Gay up contractually, hoping they grow into their max, or near max, deals. This is especially important when a team doesn’t have cap space, or is not a top destination for top free agents. These teams often can not afford to take the talent hit and lose a player for nothing, hoping some other great lottery pick rolls around later. That’s we see more matching of other team’s offers, or outright max offers extensions to “show confidence” in a player they have already decided to match next year anyway.

[Resistance]

Updated with Salary Cap information.

Salary Cap is underlined

Rudy Gay
2010 - 11....2011 - 12.....2012 - 13.....2013 - 14.....2014 - 15.....2015 - 16.....2016 - 17
Memphis....Memphis.....Mem/Tor.....Tor/Sac.....Sac............Sac............Sac
$58...........$58............$58............$58.7.........$63.1..........$70...........$94.1
$13.6........$15............$16.4...........$17.9.........$19.3.........$12.4.........$13.3

Andrew Wiggins
2018 - 19....2019 - 20.....2020 - 21.....2021 - 22.....2022 - 23
Minnesota..Minnesota...Minnesota....Minnesota...Minnesota
$101.9.......$109 (est)....$118 (est).......................
$25.5.........$27.3.........$29.3..........$31.3..........$33.3