2018 Offseason Thread

[bondom34]

it's worth mentioning that jeremy lin did not have any surgical procedures done during his rehab to accelerate the process, and he was on the court for the hawks' first preseason game on schedule. we'll see when andre gets there, but the news release promise seems hilariously optimistic now.

Lin's injury happened two months prior to Roberson's. He seems pretty well on schedule, beginning of the season was always optimistically aggressive but it seems like he'll come close to it.

3 months actually. October, so seems about right to me too.

[slick_watts]

it's worth mentioning that jeremy lin did not have any surgical procedures done during his rehab to accelerate the process, and he was on the court for the hawks' first preseason game on schedule. we'll see when andre gets there, but the news release promise seems hilariously optimistic now.

Lin's injury happened two months prior to Roberson's. He seems pretty well on schedule, beginning of the season was always optimistically aggressive but it seems like he'll come close to it.

come close to it? he'll be at least a couple months from it imo, and close to the one year mark which is what lin's prognosis was more or less and what andre roberson's should have been. thunder have a history of reporting injuries this way which is insulting to the fans imo.

and of course the nonsensical justification for the 'elective scope' that andre roberson has which turned out not to accelerate the rehab at all.

[spearsy23]

it's worth mentioning that jeremy lin did not have any surgical procedures done during his rehab to accelerate the process, and he was on the court for the hawks' first preseason game on schedule. we'll see when andre gets there, but the news release promise seems hilariously optimistic now.

Lin's injury happened two months prior to Roberson's. He seems pretty well on schedule, beginning of the season was always optimistically aggressive but it seems like he'll come close to it.

come close to it? he'll be at least a couple months from it imo, and close to the one year mark which is what lin's prognosis was more or less and what andre roberson's should have been. thunder have a history of reporting injuries this way which is insulting to the fans imo.

Still seems to be on Pace for December, which is close enough for me to feel okay with saying beginning of the year.

and of course the nonsensical justification for the 'elective scope' that andre roberson has which turned out not to accelerate the rehab at all.

What? This might be the most nonsensically baseless accusation you've made. And that's actually saying a lot.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Still seems to be on Pace for December, which is close enough for me to feel okay with saying beginning of the year.

Assuming he plays in the first game in December he will have missed 21 games. That is over 25% of the season. Is that your definition of "close"? If a player is supposed to return at the all-star break and they end up only playing in the final 5 games of the season is that close?

[spearsy23]

Still seems to be on Pace for December, which is close enough for me to feel okay with saying beginning of the year.

Assuming he plays in the first game in December he will have missed 21 games. That is over 25% of the season. Is that your definition of "close"? If a player is supposed to return at the all-star break and they end up only playing in the final 5 games of the season is that close?

I think I just made it pretty clear what I would consider close enough.

[slick_watts]

the thunder have certainly earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to injury matters.

[Pillendreher]

the thunder have certainly earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to injury matters.

Let's stop pretending that one of the healthiest teams in the league over the last couple of years has this insane amount of injury problems.

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They had the 14-15 season and a couple of singular occurences before and afterwards. This doesn't suddenly turn a franchise that has been historically very healthy into a walking hospital with questionale techniques.

[slick_watts]

the thunder have certainly earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to injury matters.

Let's stop pretending that one of the healthiest teams in the league over the last couple of years has this insane amount of injury problems.

Read on Twitter

They had the 14-15 season and a couple of singular occurences before and afterwards. This doesn't suddenly turn a franchise that has been historically very healthy into a walking hospital with questionale techniques.

the thunder have been relatively healthy because they tend to be relatively young. playing games does not mean you are healthy, either. andre roberson was playing on a knee with tendonitis dating back to the previous year. look what happened. look what happened with kevin durant, and cameron payne. jeff green. kendrick perkins. russell westbrook's 2nd knee surgery. the issue isn't that the thunder players are missing a lot of time with injuries, the issue is that the thunder are notorious for inaccurate injury prognosis (even in the other direction, i.e. tyson chandler trade) and playing their guys when they are hurt. i question the thunder's ethics when it comes to player health and well being. as you know, the nba penalized the thunder for their part in the jeff green fiasco, the only such penalization in nba history.

[Pillendreher]

the thunder have been relatively healthy because they tend to be relatively young.

They haven't been the only team with young players over the last decade.

laying games does not mean you are healthy, either.

Yes, it does. Unless we start with the conspiracy theories.

[ThunderBolt]

It’s not fair to blame the thunder for handling injuries improperly and then not give the organization or front office credit for the team being relatively healthy the last few seasons. To just attribute good healthy to youth is tantamount to me saying that all re-injuries are just bad luck.

[slick_watts]

It’s not fair to blame the thunder for handling injuries improperly and then not give the organization or front office credit for the team being relatively healthy the last few seasons. To just attribute good healthy to youth is tantamount to me saying that all re-injuries are just bad luck.

i mean, we're defining healthy as playing. i don't think that's an acceptable, inclusive definition of healthy within the context of this conversation. for reasons i stated above. patrick patterson played 82 games last year. did he have a 'healthy' season?

there's no conspiracy theory here. only a trend of the thunder misreporting or mishandling prognoses. draw whatever conclusions you want. putting out an official statement that andre roberson is on track for an opening day return in may after his 'rehab accelerating' scope is either a) incompetent or b) dishonest. and another in a long line of odd circumstances and stances regarding player well being.

[ThunderBolt]

It’s not fair to blame the thunder for handling injuries improperly and then not give the organization or front office credit for the team being relatively healthy the last few seasons. To just attribute good healthy to youth is tantamount to me saying that all re-injuries are just bad luck.

i mean, we're defining healthy as playing. i don't think that's an acceptable, inclusive definition of healthy within the context of this conversation. for reasons i stated above.

there's no conspiracy theory here. only a trend of the thunder misreporting or mishandling prognoses. draw whatever conclusions you want. putting out an official statement that andre roberson is on track for an opening day return in may after his 'rehab accelerating' scope is either a) incompetent or b) dishonest. and another in a long line of odd circumstances and stances regarding player well being.

Or c) typical marketing for big business sports franchises. What about the fact that every 76er rookie breaks his foot? How many nfl teams screw with the injury report? The thunder are an nba franchise that make money or marketing their product. They are not 100% forthright at times but they are not alone. Rushing players back from injuries isn’t unique to okc. It’s not coincidence that Tony Romo reinjured his “healed” broken back right away.

Also, do you ever notice when players, coaches and organizations come out and tell the truth they aren’t praised for their transparency? They are criticized for their incompetence.

[spearsy23]

It’s not fair to blame the thunder for handling injuries improperly and then not give the organization or front office credit for the team being relatively healthy the last few seasons. To just attribute good healthy to youth is tantamount to me saying that all re-injuries are just bad luck.

i mean, we're defining healthy as playing. i don't think that's an acceptable, inclusive definition of healthy within the context of this conversation. for reasons i stated above. patrick patterson played 82 games last year. did he have a 'healthy' season?

You prefer to define healthy in some vague, unknown, only determined by Slick's untrained medical diagnosis way?

[slick_watts]

It’s not fair to blame the thunder for handling injuries improperly and then not give the organization or front office credit for the team being relatively healthy the last few seasons. To just attribute good healthy to youth is tantamount to me saying that all re-injuries are just bad luck.

i mean, we're defining healthy as playing. i don't think that's an acceptable, inclusive definition of healthy within the context of this conversation. for reasons i stated above. patrick patterson played 82 games last year. did he have a 'healthy' season?

You prefer to define healthy in some vague, unknown, only determined by Slick's untrained medical diagnosis way?

i think patrick patterson is an apt example of what i mean. by pille's definition he had a healthy year. would anyone really agree with that? paul george only missed three games last season however complained numerous times about a nagging injury to his shooting wrist that may have played a role in his inconsistency. did he have a healthy year?

this isn't some nebulous idea i am proposing, these are issues that were brought up (re: patterson and george) by everyone here and by the players themselves regarding their health. but i guess we will ignore that and take the most narrow definition of health possible because sunshine or oklaHOME or whatever.

[Pillendreher]

but i guess we will ignore that and take the most narrow definition of health possible because sunshine or oklaHOME or whatever.

[slick_watts]

but i guess we will ignore that and take the most narrow definition of health possible because sunshine or oklaHOME or whatever.

was patrick patterson healthy last season?

[slick_watts]

Or c) typical marketing for big business sports franchises. What about the fact that every 76er rookie breaks his foot? How many nfl teams screw with the injury report? The thunder are an nba franchise that make money or marketing their product. They are not 100% forthright at times but they are not alone. Rushing players back from injuries isn’t unique to okc. It’s not coincidence that Tony Romo reinjured his “healed” broken back right away.

Also, do you ever notice when players, coaches and organizations come out and tell the truth they aren’t praised for their transparency? They are criticized for their incompetence.

why are we talking about the nfl? that has nothing to do with this conversation. the injury and toxic masculinity culture of the nfl makes it a completely different breed.

the thunder operate the team in the most condescending way possible. national reporters complain about access all the time. local reporters leave and badmouth the organization for its ridiculous policies (darnell, katz most recently) when it comes to access and dissemination of information. how is this even a discussion? every time a player is injured and the thunder say 'day to day' it's a joke within the fanbase itself because of distrust. the same people arguing with me about this now will make these jokes and laugh about it in another context.

typical marketing? check out the nets, jeremy lin, his trainer and all their feeds during his rehab process and get back to me. the thunder comparatively operate like the fans are idiots when it comes to injury reporting and prognosis. i agree that some level of marketing and evasion on this stuff is normal for any nba team but the thunder have an unusual history and unusual policies.

[Kizz Fastfists]

was patrick patterson healthy last season?

Yes. Just like Russ will be healthy this season. Stop acting like knees are important in the game of basketball! Age regression and accumulative injury regression do not apply to Thunder players.

[Pillendreher]

but i guess we will ignore that and take the most narrow definition of health possible because sunshine or oklaHOME or whatever.

was patrick patterson healthy last season?

Yes.

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[slick_watts]

was patrick patterson healthy last season?

Yes.

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perhaps you need to refresh yourself and listen to patrick patterson's exit interview where he says he was not healthy last season. or the myriad of articles coming out now hyping him up (deservingly!) because he's healthy coming into this year (v. last year).

you're making no sense and your entire position on this is a contradiction.