Political Roundtable Part XXII

JWizmentality · Post #1541 » by **JWizmentality** » Tue Oct 2, 2018 11:11 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
gtn130 wrote:

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Self-made billionaire Donald J Trump

I don't even know what to say....

And still managed to go bankrupt multiple times. So now he's funded by the Russians. Want to know why a supposed Billionaire needs to run scams like Trump University? Because his money doesn't belong to him. :lol:

JWizmentality · Post #1542 » by **JWizmentality** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 2:46 am

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Pretty much. Kavanaugh is serial liar.

closg00 · Post #1543 » by **closg00** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 4:15 am

closg00 wrote:I would like to see the details of the new NAFTA deal, but it is important to give Trump props on those rare occasions where he actually accomplishes something for the country.

Just as I suspected, this deal is more of the same Trump puffing, read.
https://apple.news/A2PXq6osmQd-wWt6nTDW-2A

Wizardspride · Post #1544 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 11:10 am

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verbal8 · Post #1545 » by **verbal8** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 12:14 pm

I think early November is going to be brutal for the Trump inner circle.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mueller-shedding-more-attorneys-russia-investigation-212115823--politics.html

It could well be most of the danger to his family is from state authorities, rather than the Mueller probe directly.

Pointgod · Post #1546 » by **Pointgod** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 1:00 pm

Wizardspride wrote:

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I can't stand Bill Kristol but even I have to admit this is pretty funny.

dobrojim · Post #1547 » by **dobrojim** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 1:42 pm

the really sad part about all this (news about DJT's source of wealth)
is that no one should actually be surprised.

FAH1223 · Post #1548 » by **FAH1223** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 2:10 pm

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gtn130 · Post #1549 » by **gtn130** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 3:15 pm

^ That's a good thread. Amazon raising wages for their laborers while exploiting every market they operate in is not really a huge win for anyone but Amazon. The feudal overlords threw a few pennies at the peasants to keep the libs quiet, and now they'll get right back to killing small and medium size businesses and further entrenching themselves in control of commerce.

It's cool that some Amazon workers will make more money now, but the PR campaign is the real impetus here, and these problems will only get worse until Amazon is broken up.

gtn130 · Post #1550 » by **gtn130** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 3:18 pm

Also worth noting that Amazon deployed a Twitter bot army of fake Amazon warehouse workers to gaslight everyone about the awful working conditions

I_Like_Dirt · Post #1551 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 3:31 pm

verbal8 wrote:I think early November is going to be brutal for the Trump inner circle.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mueller-shedding-more-attorneys-russia-investigation-212115823--politics.html

It could well be most of the danger to his family is from state authorities, rather than the Mueller probe directly.

I'm reasonably confident this is a big part of why there is a rush to get Kavanaugh onto the SC, and why Kavanaugh specifically was the candidate in the first place. Guess which case the SC is hearing shortly?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-agrees-take-double-jeopardy-issue-n887301

verbal8 · Post #1552 » by **verbal8** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 4:28 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
verbal8 wrote:I think early November is going to be brutal for the Trump inner circle.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mueller-shedding-more-attorneys-russia-investigation-212115823--politics.html

It could well be most of the danger to his family is from state authorities, rather than the Mueller probe directly.

I'm reasonably confident this is a big part of why there is a rush to get Kavanaugh onto the SC, and why Kavanaugh specifically was the candidate in the first place. Guess which case the SC is hearing shortly?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-agrees-take-double-jeopardy-issue-n887301

For anything related to the Trump foundation or tax scams on Real Estate, it is pretty easy to give jurisdiction to New York State.

I have heard rumors about a case where federal pardons would be extended to state crimes, but this case seems different.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #1553 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 4:32 pm

verbal8 wrote:For anything related to the Trump foundation or tax scams on Real Estate, it is pretty easy to give jurisdiction to New York State.

I have heard rumors about a case where federal pardons would be extended to state crimes, but this case seems different.

This article explains a little better what's at stake here.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/

Edit:

The larger issue here is that, while any such ruling wouldn't necessarily shut everything down, shutting things down isn't the only potential avenue to success. Tying things up in court trying to clarify things for years, all while you have a significant advantage at the level of the Supreme Court is effectively a win. In this case, I'm not even sure Trump actually wants the investigation shut down. He just doesn't want to be indicted and then ultimately convicted. That's already a messy, long drawn out play. Make it too much longer and it's pretty easy to make it irrelevant given all the other means of diverting things quickly along patrician or other lines.

Trump loves this publicity. The people turned off by it aren't people he wants to vote anyway. And people who get fed up by political corruption sometimes wind up not voting at all. And when people think of political corruption, they often see it everywhere. As president, Trump is effectively immune from prosecution. The risk increases if congress and/or the senate flip, but less so if the judiciary is in place. More than that, prosecuting Trump once he's no longer president would be extremely muddy waters because it would risk partisan prosecuting of presidents back and forth becoming the norm (be honest, you know the Republican Party as an institution is no longer above that kind of thing).

Post #1554 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 5:01 pm

What's frustrating, if Hillary had won the presidency, her tenure would likely still be marred by a long running Benghazi investigation that yielded no arrests, convictions or proof of wrong-doing.

Well, except for one thing...

Spoiler:

Mueller shedding more attorneys in Russia investigation

Special counsel Robert Mueller is trimming more attorneys from his office, another sign his team of prosecutors is winding down parts of their investigation into potential ties between Russia and President Donald Trump's campaign.

Two prosecutors detailed to the Russia investigation for the past year are returning to their duties in other parts of the Justice Department. They join two other attorneys who left the team over the summer.

The departures, confirmed by Mueller's office Tuesday, are the latest indication that the special counsel is wrapping up at least some pieces of an investigation that has shadowed Trump's presidency from the outset.

All told, Mueller's team has obtained six guilty pleas, including from four Trump campaign advisers, and a jury conviction. He has pending indictments against 26 others and three Russian companies.

Associated Press

Wizardspride · Post #1555 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 5:02 pm

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Post #1556 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 5:04 pm

Wizardspride wrote:

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Just when I thought i couldn't have less respect for the man...

:nonono:

Wizardspride · Post #1557 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 5:13 pm

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pancakes3 · Post #1558 » by **pancakes3** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 5:37 pm

JWizmentality · Post #1559 » by **JWizmentality** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 7:31 pm

dobrojim wrote:the really sad part about all this (news about DJT's source of wealth)
is that no one should actually be surprised.

It's one of nate's favorite talking points.

JWizmentality · Post #1560 » by **JWizmentality** » Wed Oct 3, 2018 7:33 pm

pancakes3 wrote:

This is why people like Candace Owens and Kanye can go $%@#% themselves. Conservatism is evil. No sugar coating it.